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EEVblog #677 - Mailbag
« on: October 28, 2014, 10:27:26 am »
Mailbag Monday
Dave opens his mail.


Spoilers & Links:
HP 4260A LCR Universal Bridge
http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/04260-90011.pdf
iPod Blood pressure monitor
Old computer hardware
Intel 1Mb Bubble Memory
PICop development board: http://www.bloguetronica.com/2014/07/placa-de-desenvolvimento-picop.html
TEM Products SMD IC and LED thermal products
PowerPeg: http://tem-products.com/index.php/powpeg.html/
Stepper Motor Controller: http://tem-products.com/index.php/motion-control.html
TSL1401CL LineScan Camera https://www.tindie.com/products/AP_tech/tsl1401cl-linescan-camera-/

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Offline mux

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Re: EEVblog #677 - Mailbag
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 10:32:25 am »
I'll just pre-emptively, before even watching the video, complain that the video is too short so that that's over with. We all know somebody is going to say it, might as well be me.

Alright, let's see what's what and who's who! *switches to the video*
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 02:20:28 pm »
Awww no postcards any more, I liked watching the postcards. The format is called mailbag after all.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 02:55:22 pm »
these Thermal Connectors are nice
but they are overpriced. $1.4 each ?? too expensive.
 

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 03:45:13 pm »
Hi Dave, I see you've finally gotten around to opening my package  :P

The 4260A did work once upon a time, but it's been sitting around way too long... guess the years finally took their toll on it :(

I don't remember the Mode and Range dials being out of alignment though, guess it got bashed around somewhat in transit...

Hope to see the teardown video soon, I know you'll love it  O0
 

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 04:58:58 pm »
Those power pegs are an interesting idea, I have never been a fan of multiple vias on a PCB installed underneath a chip in an attempt to promote heat flow. One thing though, with the power peg installed in the hole how do I solder the chip to the board/peg?
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 05:40:01 pm »
I ould guess if you are reflowing it you make the power peg a press fit, and install it with a jig before solder past application, probably using a spacer that holds it while supporting the board. Then the paste is applied over it, and then place and reflow as normal and it will wick into the hole and the component. You probably would be better off though having the board side not being a round pin, rather a polygon shape so that you can press fit it into a controlled range of hole diameters and which allows solder to wick through the holes during reflow. You probably would also want some dimpling on the mounting shoulder for the same reasons, so that hot gas and trapped flux can escape before the solder wicks through to hold it. That probably would be easy to do with a die set that forges the part out of a slug cut from rod, and then you do the machining in a CNC to get the end flat and do the thread for the screw. After that you wash, tumble polish then do the plating to protect them.
 

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 08:12:27 pm »
That 4 input 'scope behind Dave is still upside down...my OCD is killing me....
Maybe he could gift it to a good home (I have a suggestion) where it will be cared for and put the correct way up on said good home's workbench...  ;)
 

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 08:44:52 pm »
I really like the Power Pegs, I will definitely have them in mind the next time I am considering though hole TO220s or similar with a standing heat-sink.

As I understand you screw the heat-sink into the peg after everything has been soldered. But since they are tiny, how much momentum can you use on the screw? How do you prevent the screw from shaking loose (Loctite?)?
 

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2014, 10:08:37 pm »
Just some additional information on Eritrea. It is ruled by Isayas Afewerki a former guerilla fighter, dictator and head of the only allowed party. The country was founded 1993 and is also called 'Africa’s North Korea'. The UN actually rates it as worse than North Korea. So not a place to go to.
 

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2014, 10:29:19 pm »
That 4 input 'scope behind Dave is still upside down...my OCD is killing me....
...

That's because he lives in Australia. I'm from Belgium, Europe. The scope is showing correct for me....
 

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2014, 10:36:20 pm »
Those thermal pegs are quite nice, but one thing concerns me about them: Can the solder joints withstand the mechanical stress created by those pegs? Imagine you have 6-10 transistors on a board, all connected to the same heatsink, each with its own powerpeg. The heatsink will certainly have a different thermal expansion coefficient than FR4 - something will have to give.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 10:50:34 pm »
Just some additional information on Eritrea. It is ruled by Isayas Afewerki a former guerilla fighter, dictator and head of the only allowed party. The country was founded 1993 and is also called 'Africa’s North Korea'. The UN actually rates it as worse than North Korea. So not a place to go to.

Yikes  :o
 

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2014, 11:21:05 pm »
Dave you pronounced Eritrea correctly, I've got a friend on the Eritrean ski team (alpine skiing).
 

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014, 12:52:08 am »
Dave, in the previous mailbag (or the one before) you received an cool EEVBlog clock. Can you please hang the clock on the opposite wall of the web cam (above the small desk), so the world can see the local time and live action. 
 

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2014, 01:54:04 am »
...The UN actually rates it as worse than North Korea. ..

And people of both Eritrea and North Korea just live their lives and do not give a f@ck about UN ratings.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2014, 02:02:44 am »
Those thermal pegs are quite nice, but one thing concerns me about them: Can the solder joints withstand the mechanical stress created by those pegs?

I agree, would also be concerned about the mechanical stress on the die if the peg is soldered to an IC. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2014, 02:03:55 am »
I have never been a fan of multiple vias on a PCB installed underneath a chip in an attempt to promote heat flow.

Why is that? Works for me very well.
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2014, 05:59:42 am »
That 4 input 'scope behind Dave is still upside down...my OCD is killing me....
You don't understand. That is Dave's canary. As long as it is upside down everything is ok. If the oscilloscope is suddenly upright we know that Dave is held hostage by Ben Heck and we need to send in the clowns to rescue him.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2014, 06:23:33 am »
And people of both Eritrea and North Korea just live their lives and do not give a f@ck about UN ratings.
While they may not care about the ratings themselves, they would certainly care about the poverty, starvation and political oppression that prompted those ratings in the first place.
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2014, 07:07:17 am »
...The UN actually rates it as worse than North Korea. ..
And people of both Eritrea and North Korea just live their lives and do not give a f@ck about UN ratings.
That is an interesting opinion.  Did you enjoy being able to express your opinion publicly?  Maybe you can explain to the people of Eritrea what it's like to be able to express yourself without the risk of going to jail forever. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrea
"in September 2001 the government closed down all of the nation's privately owned print media, and outspoken critics of the government have been arrested and held without trial, according to various international observers, including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. In 2004 the U.S. State Department declared Eritrea a Country of Particular Concern (CPC) for its record of religious persecution."

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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2014, 11:52:56 am »
Dave, in the previous mailbag (or the one before) you received an cool EEVBlog clock. Can you please hang the clock on the opposite wall of the web cam (above the small desk), so the world can see the local time and live action.

Ah, I want to get my Time Circuit clock working again for that, thanks for the reminder.
 

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2014, 07:03:33 pm »
Is that the BTTF clock to which you are referring? Again?  >:D
I wasn't intending to mention it (again) for another 50 weeks.

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2014, 11:19:42 am »
I have a 4260A and the similar General Radio analog RLC meter (1650A and also a 1650B) in my collection, along with both GR and HP digital RLC meters.

There's still a place for the analog instruments, however, compared with the inexpensive digital meters in that (a) external voltage bias for capacitance measurement and current bias for inductance can be applied and (b) it is possible to vary the AC voltage applied to the part under test.

The 4260A unfortunately limits external bias voltage to 6V but the GR meters can use external bias up to 30V or perhaps higher -- it's been a while since I looked at the manual. And the 1650B permits DC current to be passed through the inductor under test as well, up to 50 mA or so.  The 1650B also has a front panel potentiometer that adjusts the applied AC voltage.

While lab grade digital RLC meters permit external bias and adjustable drive (although some make this an extra cost option), these features are not often found on the simpler RLC meters.

 

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2014, 12:31:41 pm »
That 4 input 'scope behind Dave is still upside down...my OCD is killing me....
Maybe he could gift it to a good home (I have a suggestion) where it will be cared for and put the correct way up on said good home's workbench...  ;)

I think Dave has explained that he doesn't want the electrons to leak out.

It's for us Northern Hemisphere folks.  From our perspective, it's the only scope in his lab that's NOT upside down.
 


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