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EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« on: January 08, 2015, 11:33:33 am »
The new Keysight/Agilent 3000T Oscilloscope is released today, and Dave has a world first review of it.
It's a replacement for the existing 3000A X-Series, and is essentially the same in many ways, so only the differences are
covered in this video.
A lot of features from the 4000 X-Series have filtered down, and some things are now standard.
How does it compare to the Tektronix MDO3000?

Original 3000A review here:
4000 X-Series review is here:

 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2015, 11:38:52 am »
360p video?

(It's the highest resolution Youtube is offering me on both Firefox and Chrome...)
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 11:51:39 am by Fungus »
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2015, 11:56:35 am »
Over a minute just to turn it on??? 

 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2015, 11:58:40 am »
only 360p? :o

You processed the video with the old Apple Lisa?  ;)
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2015, 12:13:48 pm »
Alright I can that confirm best available quality is 360P:
Code: [Select]
$ youtube-dl -F FtcZ9K8551s
[youtube] FtcZ9K8551s: Downloading webpage
[youtube] FtcZ9K8551s: Extracting video information
[info] Available formats for FtcZ9K8551s:
format code extension resolution  note
17          3gp       176x144     (worst)
36          3gp       320x240
5           flv       400x240
18          mp4       640x360     (best)

However I would rather watch something exciting in low quality rather than a boring video in High-Def :P
Thanks Dave for the review :-+
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 12:32:20 pm by alimirjamali »
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2015, 12:25:43 pm »
You probably were a bit quick off the mark. More formats are available now.
You are absolutely right. Youtube just rendered 1080P DASH stream. They should upgrade their servers :-DD The infamous 60fps stream is not yet rendered. ^-^
Code: [Select]
youtube-dl -F FtcZ9K8551s
[youtube] FtcZ9K8551s: Downloading webpage
[youtube] FtcZ9K8551s: Extracting video information
[youtube] FtcZ9K8551s: Downloading DASH manifest
[info] Available formats for FtcZ9K8551s:
format code extension resolution  note
140         m4a       audio only  DASH audio , audio@128k (worst)
139         m4a       audio only  DASH audio   51k , audio@ 48k (22050Hz), 14.01MiB
140         m4a       audio only  DASH audio  131k , audio@128k (44100Hz), 37.28MiB
141         m4a       audio only  DASH audio  258k , audio@256k (44100Hz), 74.04MiB
160         mp4       144p        DASH video , video only
160         mp4       256x144     DASH video  121k , 13fps, video only, 32.44MiB
133         mp4       240p        DASH video , video only
133         mp4       426x240     DASH video  264k , 25fps, video only, 72.75MiB
134         mp4       360p        DASH video , video only
134         mp4       640x360     DASH video  610k , 25fps, video only, 95.28MiB
135         mp4       480p        DASH video , video only
135         mp4       854x480     DASH video 1117k , 25fps, video only, 200.64MiB
136         mp4       720p        DASH video , video only
136         mp4       1280x720    DASH video 2225k , 25fps, video only, 405.15MiB
137         mp4       1080p       DASH video , video only
137         mp4       1920x1080   DASH video 4181k , 25fps, video only, 823.30MiB
17          3gp       176x144
36          3gp       320x240
5           flv       400x240
18          mp4       640x360     (best)
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2015, 12:30:23 pm »
Dave can you try if the old easter eggs are still in there?

Star Trek screensaver (Screensaver usertext TREK) or the Screensaver usertext CAKE easteregg like in the 4000 series

 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2015, 12:45:40 pm »
I wonder why Dave was impressed by an MTBF of 250k hours? Used 40 hours per week for 52 weeks a year, that's about 1% failures per annum. Good, but nothing out of the ordinary these days.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2015, 12:54:20 pm »
I wonder why Dave was impressed by an MTBF of 250k hours?

A 36% probability the scope still works after almost 23 years of 24/7 operation is not bad.
I'm more impressed that they actually specify it, and presumably have done the testing and calcs to come up with that figure, than the actual figure itself.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2015, 12:59:21 pm »
I wonder why Dave was impressed by an MTBF of 250k hours?

A 36% probability the scope still works after almost 23 years of 24/7 operation is not bad.
I'm more impressed that they actually specify it, and presumably have done the testing and calcs to come up with that figure, than the actual figure itself.
You should know that is NOT what a 250k hour MTBF means.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2015, 01:15:07 pm »
Did I blink in the wrong place or was there no mention of price?

(Or is asking about the price the wrong thing to do...  :-X )

 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2015, 01:27:49 pm »
Did I blink in the wrong place or was there no mention of price?

(Or is asking about the price the wrong thing to do...  :-X )

DSOX3014T  £2,701
DSOX3024T  £3,012
DSOX3034T  £5,619
DSOX3054T  £7,583

Add about £1000 on for MSO option.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2015, 02:10:25 pm »
I wonder, can those oscilloscopes be overclocked for better performance?

For the price they charge, it should include a Core i7 4790K, a decent PCI - express SSD, in addition to a better ASIC, in addition to 802.11ac 4 stream, and 10 gigabit Ethernet (and a bunch of eSATA ports, and a bunch of server functions so that you can get your ESXi on while probing stuff)  just for the hell of it.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2015, 02:21:56 pm »
I wonder, can those oscilloscopes be overclocked for better performance?

For the price they charge, it should include a Core i7 4790K, a decent PCI - express SSD, in addition to a better ASIC, in addition to 802.11ac 4 stream, and 10 gigabit Ethernet (and a bunch of eSATA ports, and a bunch of server functions so that you can get your ESXi on while probing stuff)  just for the hell of it.

As far as I know they do everything that must be done in real time via the ASICs. So the i7 would be very bored in such a device.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2015, 02:24:42 pm »
Nice scope. I was expecting the drop test :)
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2015, 02:26:05 pm »
I wonder, can those oscilloscopes be overclocked for better performance?

For the price they charge, it should include a Core i7 4790K, a decent PCI - express SSD, in addition to a better ASIC, in addition to 802.11ac 4 stream, and 10 gigabit Ethernet (and a bunch of eSATA ports, and a bunch of server functions so that you can get your ESXi on while probing stuff)  just for the hell of it.

As far as I know they do everything that must be done in real time via the ASICs. So the i7 would be very bored in such a device.

It may help with the boot speeds, and general UI functions. There is no reason not to add faster components even if they will just be used to boot the system and run the UI when they want an astronomically high price of $13,000+ for their scope.

For that price, it should be performing additional functions like virtualized hosting + a SAN
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 02:30:21 pm »
It may help with the boot speeds, and general UI functions. There is no reason not to add faster components even if they will just be used to boot the system and run the UI when they want an astronomically high price of $13,000+ for their scope.

I doubt it'd help boot speeds, nor would it make the scope any faster to use.

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For that price, it should be performing additional functions like virtualized hosting + a SAN

 :-DD

Go on, get to market with your business-in-a-box oscilloscope.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 02:45:57 pm »
I'm intrigued by the touch interface.  When I use my non-touch scope, I'm constantly looking back and forth between the screen and the keys/buttons section.  Using touch appears to be a lot faster and intuitive.  For those who have experience with these scopes, I wonder what percentage of time they use the touch interface vs the keys/buttons?
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 03:37:22 pm »
Did I blink in the wrong place or was there no mention of price?

(Or is asking about the price the wrong thing to do...  :-X )

DSOX3014T  £2,701
DSOX3024T  £3,012
DSOX3034T  £5,619
DSOX3054T  £7,583

Add about £1000 on for MSO option.

It's all on Keysight's web page:

http://www.keysight.com/en/pc-2475195/infiniivision-3000t-x-series-oscilloscope

Same pricing as the X3000A series, but more features including 4Mpts standard.  Bye bye, A series.
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2015, 04:52:03 pm »
[...] I wonder what percentage of time they use the touch interface vs the keys/buttons?

Few words from my experience with scopes at work:
Tek TDS 3000 Series: 70% Blind operation of knobs. After few years daily use of always the same few functions it's like 10 finger typing.
Tek MSO 5000 Series: Although this scope sits most times in the cabinet it requires oftenly switching views from display to knobs. It's all a matter of habit. This scope comes with resistive 10 inch 4:3 touchscreen, stylus included. Compared to the finger friendly UI from the DSOX3000T Series from HP Agilent Keysight the Tek MSO is quite difficult to use without stylus in menus.
Tek TDS 460A: Seldom use, although it's placed next to me at my work bench. But feels like TDS 3000.
R&S RTM 2000 series: I feel like an idiot that can't even ride a bicycle. It's quite far away from my Tektronix habits.   ;)
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2015, 05:18:16 pm »
I wonder, can those oscilloscopes be overclocked for better performance?

For the price they charge, it should include a Core i7 4790K, a decent PCI - express SSD, in addition to a better ASIC, in addition to 802.11ac 4 stream, and 10 gigabit Ethernet (and a bunch of eSATA ports, and a bunch of server functions so that you can get your ESXi on while probing stuff)  just for the hell of it.

As far as I know they do everything that must be done in real time via the ASICs. So the i7 would be very bored in such a device.

It may help with the boot speeds, and general UI functions. There is no reason not to add faster components even if they will just be used to boot the system and run the UI when they want an astronomically high price of $13,000+ for their scope.

Adding a 'Core i7 4790K' would achieve precisely nothing, because the Infiniivision X-series scopes don't use Intel processors. Nor do they run any flavour of desktop Windows. Windows Embedded Compact (formerly CE) is a totally different operating system.

 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2015, 05:51:39 pm »
Any reasons to buy a Keysight DSOX3000T series instead of an equivalent a a lot cheaper Rigol MSO/DS2000A Series ?

 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2015, 06:43:06 pm »
Any reasons to buy a Keysight DSOX3000T series instead of an equivalent a a lot cheaper Rigol MSO/DS2000A Series ?
I think the DS2000A is not the right scope to compare with DSOX3000T.
Maybe you could make a comparison between DSOX3000T and Rigol DS4000?
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2015, 07:23:59 pm »
Any reasons to buy a Keysight DSOX3000T series instead of an equivalent a a lot cheaper Rigol MSO/DS2000A Series ?
I think the DS2000A is not the right scope to compare with DSOX3000T.
Maybe you could make a comparison between DSOX3000T and Rigol DS4000?

I am not a specialist on scope's specs (this sounds a little funny haha) but, reading their 100MHz scopes's datasheet quickly over their website, they looks like the same...I am just not sure about the built in tools...

http://www.keysight.com/en/pc-2475195/oscilloscope?pm=SC&nid=-32756.0&cc=US&lc=eng

http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS2000A/
 

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Re: EEVblog #701 - Keysight 3000T Oscilloscope Review
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2015, 07:35:35 pm »

As far as I know they do everything that must be done in real time via the ASICs. So the i7 would be very bored in such a device.

An i7 couldn't do a tenth of what those asics crunch er second... i'm even betting a one hundredth...
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