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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #125 on: January 26, 2015, 05:54:11 pm »
Hi Dave.

I believe in hard science and crisp logic, but "I want to believe" in overunity.
Maybe it is possible, just beyond our current knowledge.

Anyway you hit the point with this video.
Explaining why something doesn't work, gives knowledge about how stuff really work.



Once I posted this question : "Why doesn't this work" (on another forum) about this picture,
and expected a scientific answer, but instead my thread got deleted...

Is this worthy of a ten minute video, please?

Thanks.Cheers.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #126 on: January 26, 2015, 06:01:14 pm »
Once I posted this question : "Why doesn't this work" (on another forum) about this picture,
and expected a scientific answer, but instead my thread got deleted...

I'm sure it works perfectly, but maybe it doesn't do what you hoped it would do.

What do you hope it will do?
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #127 on: January 26, 2015, 06:02:55 pm »
Once I posted this question : "Why doesn't this work" (on another forum) about this picture,
and expected a scientific answer, but instead my thread got deleted...

Is this worthy of a ten minute video, please?

Thanks.Cheers.

While i applaud your curiosity, you approach your problem from the wrong angle. If you start from your assumption that it works then you need to be able to explain why do you assume this. Difficult, ehh? Better is another approach. First you should specify the strength of the magnetic fields between magnetic poles in your drawing there. Then consider the spatial relationship between the magnetic poles, and therefor the amount and direction of forces exerted on each magnetic pole. Based on these forces and interactions you can then explain how this should work or not work. Happy thinking...

By the way, if you use inferior construction materials together with strong magnets, something like in the picture below will happen :)
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« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2015, 06:13:41 pm »
Please, guys, what the world needs NOW is :

Free Energy Overunity solar roadways !!

 ;)

yeh, that is an itch that needs scratching. PVCs and superman to shoot at them with super laser vision.

None shall pass bullshit where the Laws of Dave reign supreme.

If that guy is going to make some super discovery before any one man or woman, at least go the step of using non-mainstream non-average consumer electronic devices. After all, they only do what they were designed to do. Not like using a ZPM which is out of the Sci-Fi realm and into your electronic circuit if that actually works before you fry a section of the planet into oblivion with the quantum vacuum kiddy fairytale porn.
 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2015, 06:14:30 pm »
Hi Dave.

I believe in hard science and crisp logic, but "I want to believe" in overunity.

Me too. I want to believe in all sorts of things...there's tons of cool stuff I can dream of that would make life awesome.

OTOH: Common sense tells me to refrain from trying to learn to fly by repeatedly throwing myself at the ground until I miss.

 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #130 on: January 26, 2015, 06:15:07 pm »
"I want to believe" in overunity.

why?
 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #131 on: January 26, 2015, 06:27:52 pm »
"I want to believe" in overunity.

why?

Because without it and Q-thrusters and EM drives we are stuck to this solar system.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2015, 06:30:37 pm »


While i applaud your curiosity, you approach your problem from the wrong angle. ...


I just don't know much about magnetics and would like a quick and dirty video.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #133 on: January 26, 2015, 06:33:28 pm »
"I want to believe" in overunity.

why?

Because without it and Q-thrusters and EM drives we are stuck to this solar system.

What I want to know is how people can believe that the people who built (eg.) the Large Hardon Collider know less about physics than uneducated people mucking about with coils of wire and magnets in their garages.


 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2015, 06:41:40 pm »
"I want to believe" in overunity.

why?

Because without it and Q-thrusters and EM drives we are stuck to this solar system.

What I want to know is how people can believe that the people who built (eg.) the Large Hardon Collider know less about physics than uneducated people mucking about with coils of wire and magnets in their garages.

I am not claiming to have made free energy machine nor to know more then scientists.
But there are limits to current knowledge and amount of knowledge of one person.

The point is that many improvements in physics came from debugging misconceptions.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2015, 06:45:12 pm »
What I want to know is how people can believe that the people who built (eg.) the Large Hardon Collider know less about physics than uneducated people mucking about with coils of wire and magnets in their garages.

Simple.  They convince themselves that education from established science is mere "indoctrination."   The "laws" of science aren't theories that have stood many tests and experiments and have been proven to be good models of the universe, they are propoganda perpetuated by the educational establishment.  Once one believes that, then one can believe that with a few magnets, or some water, maybe ferrites or a "quantum vacuum" one can generate free energy.

My therory is that the frontiers of science are so far advanced, that there is a frustratingly large amount of prerequisite material that must be learned before one can begin breaking new ground.    Oscillator circuits have been studied for years, and we pretty much know all about them, but someone in their basement hooking up transistors doesn't want to do the boring research to explain that circuit - it must be free energy and these programmed people who have been brainwashed by "the establishment" can't see that.

Most "basement innovation" is engineering - applying new technology in innovative ways that no one else has thought about.   A maker with an Aurdino may revolutionize horse feeding, but he or she can't make the hay from nothing.
 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2015, 06:45:41 pm »
Or just point out all the commercial systems that are built to explot this phenomenon....
Oh, I see......  >:D

Just look at the Siemens Velaro train family, among them the fastest (and the whitest, if i may say) trains currently in service around the world. They just have two batteries with 280Ah. How do you think they can drive the trains at such speeds with those two meager batteries? Yes, they recycle the electron currents that went through a traction motor to use them again in the other traction motors.

Also note that the trains specifically have two batteries. The second battery is of utmost importance for the electron current recycling.

Go, and look into such a high-speed train for yourself. There are only these two batteries. If you don't believe, please show me the other big-ass batteries that would drive that train then...

And before you go and point out that there is a wire hanging above the train, i urge you to look again. Yes, there is a wire. Many clueless people have argued that this is somehow related to electron currents. But this is not the case - there is no battery connected to that wire. Nowhere. The wire is just a safety line to prevent the train toppling over when it derails in an accident -- similar to the safety line mountaineers use to secure them from falling off the cliff. You can even see the hooks on the roof of the trains that attach to the safety line...

Now, am i a smart person, or what?  >:D >:D

Oh dear, where to start.

I mean, what could possibly supply the power for the traction motors, maybe the perfectly standard pantographs easily visible in this photograph?



Yes, they do have batteries. They need power to run over any interruption in power from the overhead 25kV lines and to power the train systems when the pantographs are down.

For those not too deluded for rational thought there is a lot if interesting info on these trains here - not one mention of any snake oil solutions allowing the train to run on a torch battery but plenty of standard high efficiency stuff, regenerative breaking etc.

 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2015, 07:02:34 pm »
Oh dear, where to start.

Oh well, i must apologize  ;D
Obvious irony was obviously not obvious enough  :P
I am sorry, i thought it was ...erm... obvious that i was just frolicking...  >:D
 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2015, 07:05:02 pm »
I just don't know much about magnetics and would like a quick and dirty video.

You actually don't need to know anything about magnetics to analyze that system.

Simply consider any position of the rotor and ask if there is any difference in the shape of the system with different rotor positions? It should be evident that any rotor position is equivalent to any other rotor position (for instance if the diagram is printed on paper, you can simply rotate the diagram to bring the rotor back to the original position). It follows that if all rotor positions are the same as all other rotor positions, there is no reason for the rotor to move from one position to another. If the rotor is stationary, it will always remain stable at whatever position it is in.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2015, 07:06:08 pm »
What I want to know is how people can believe that the people who built (eg.) the Large Hardon Collider know less about physics than uneducated people mucking about with coils of wire and magnets in their garages.

Simple.  They convince themselves that education from established science is mere "indoctrination."   The "laws" of science aren't theories that have stood many tests and experiments and have been proven to be good models of the universe, they are propoganda perpetuated by the educational establishment.  Once one believes that, then one can believe that with a few magnets, or some water, maybe ferrites or a "quantum vacuum" one can generate free energy.

My therory is that the frontiers of science are so far advanced, that there is a frustratingly large amount of prerequisite material that must be learned before one can begin breaking new ground.    Oscillator circuits have been studied for years, and we pretty much know all about them, but someone in their basement hooking up transistors doesn't want to do the boring research to explain that circuit - it must be free energy and these programmed people who have been brainwashed by "the establishment" can't see that.

Most "basement innovation" is engineering - applying new technology in innovative ways that no one else has thought about.   A maker with an Aurdino may revolutionize horse feeding, but he or she can't make the hay from nothing.

When I went to school many professors confessed they never seen a DIP package or used a soldering iron.
The knowledge is backed up by lots of experiments and practical applications, but educators maybe never did one of them.
They just crammed it to pass an exam. (sort of indoctrination)

Not everybody is like Dave.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #140 on: January 26, 2015, 07:07:29 pm »
I am not claiming to have made free energy machine nor to know more then scientists.
But there are limits to current knowledge and amount of knowledge of one person.

The point is that many improvements in physics came from debugging misconceptions.

The problem is there is no misconception here.  Science pushes boundries... this isn't something that has room to be pushed.  We have "all factors compensated for" in this case.  Down to impurities slowing down the speed of light in different traces, and the inductance of every single wire.  It can all be simulated.  And I do mean ~all~ factors can be simulated. 

However, your dreams of reactionless drives... it seems those do not necessarily violate physics ;-)  But that's a story for another thread. 
 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2015, 07:10:56 pm »
Not respectful enough for many it seems, I get many complaints about my delivery and direct tactless nature.
My care factor is zero, my style is my style ;D

Well, you are an Aussie ;)
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #142 on: January 26, 2015, 07:11:44 pm »
I just don't know much about magnetics and would like a quick and dirty video.

You actually don't need to know anything about magnetics to analyze that system.

Simply consider any position of the rotor and ask if there is any difference in the shape of the system with different rotor positions? It should be evident that any rotor position is equivalent to any other rotor position (for instance if the diagram is printed on paper, you can simply rotate the diagram to bring the rotor back to the original position). It follows that if all rotor positions are the same as all other rotor positions, there is no reason for the rotor to move from one position to another. If the rotor is stationary, it will always remain stable at whatever position it is in.

Homopolar systems are rotationaly symmetric.
Remember you are not suppose to provide energy gradient if you are creating it form nothing.

Another video i'd like is explanation on homopolar motors.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #143 on: January 26, 2015, 07:11:51 pm »
Ok here is my video of what I am talking about. The light bulb charges the small side battery and we are free to take the equal amount of energy out as another load.

So next will be how we can incorporate this system into the Bedini SG Energizer so we can get shaft energy and flyback energy on top of what you see in this video. So what do we have that was not in Dave's video that he used to start this thread? It should be clear to all what we have here.

Video link:  http://youtu.be/X4dJdEDwjgU

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #144 on: January 26, 2015, 07:12:00 pm »
"I want to believe" in overunity.

why?

Because without it and Q-thrusters and EM drives we are stuck to this solar system.

Why, 100 k years to get to the other side of the galaxy isn't that long, haven't you always wanted to watch all videos on youtube during your flight from A to B?
Or read all books ever written?

Some small nuclear reactor, or normal hot fusion reactor is enough to power some live support machines for 100k years,
you just need to work on human longevity and you will not be stuck to this solar system no Mather how slow you travel.

And in contrary to breaking the energy conservation laws there are no known fundamental limitations to human longevity, achieving (a)biological immortality is just a Mather of some more technological progress and once its done subjecting your natural biological body to enough treatments and augmentations.

Edit: and of cause before all living long enough to be still alive when this technology's will become available.

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #145 on: January 26, 2015, 07:12:56 pm »
When I went to school many professors confessed they never seen a DIP package or used a soldering iron.
The knowledge is backed up by lots of experiments and practical applications, but educators maybe never did one of them.
They just crammed it to pass an exam. (sort of indoctrination)

Not everybody is like Dave.

Counter example: I seen lot's of DIP packages, and used a soldering iron many times. I do not know jack about analog electronics and the physics behind them. I might even made a few experiments without really understanding what was going on. But according to your reasoning i would be magically able to understand the physics just because (A) i know where to touch the soldering iron without burning my hand, (B) i can poke with the soldering iron at said DIP package and (C) can execute an experiment without thinking just by merely following instructions. No!

Just because you had a bad teacher does not mean science is hocus pocus. It just means that you had a bad teacher, nothing more.
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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #146 on: January 26, 2015, 07:15:50 pm »
Oh dear, where to start.

Oh well, i must apologize  ;D
Obvious irony was obviously not obvious enough  :P
I am sorry, i thought it was ...erm... obvious that i was just frolicking...  >:D
Ah, well, it is sometimes difficult to tell humour from firmly held delusion in this sort of thread.

Interesting train though :)
 

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #147 on: January 26, 2015, 07:22:33 pm »


The problem is there is no misconception here.  Science pushes boundries... this isn't something that has room to be pushed.  We have "all factors compensated for" in this case.  Down to impurities slowing down the speed of light in different traces, and the inductance of every single wire.  It can all be simulated.  And I do mean ~all~ factors can be simulated. 

However, your dreams of reactionless drives... it seems those do not necessarily violate physics ;-)  But that's a story for another thread.

I would add that if you know Lawrence Krauss than you know that total energy of the universe is zero.
Yet universe is something rather than nothing.
Also Alan Guth has a theory how to make matter vanish. (It is on Youtube but I can't provide a link.)

So there is a hint of plausibility to free energy but only on grandest scales in science.




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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #148 on: January 26, 2015, 07:28:36 pm »
"I want to believe" in overunity.

why?

Because without it and Q-thrusters and EM drives we are stuck to this solar system.

Why, 100 k years to get to the other side of the galaxy isn't that long, haven't you always wanted to watch all videos on youtube during your flight from A to B?
Or read all books ever written?

Some small nuclear reactor, or normal hot fusion reactor is enough to power some live support machines for 100k years,
you just need to work on human longevity and you will not be stuck to this solar system no Mather how slow you travel.

And in contrary to breaking the energy conservation laws there are no known fundamental limitations to human longevity, achieving (a)biological immortality is just a Mather of some more technological progress and once its done subjecting your natural biological body to enough treatments and augmentations.

Edit: and of cause before all living long enough to be still alive when this technology's will become available.

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Re: EEVblog #708 - Free Energy BULLSHIT!
« Reply #149 on: January 26, 2015, 08:03:50 pm »
Homopolar systems are rotationaly symmetric.

Correct. Homopolar motors have spacial symmetry, but they are not symmetric in time. If you move the clock forwards or backwards the state of the system changes. This is what makes the difference. With permanent magnets in the system you pictured the state of the system is the same now, this afternoon and tomorrow.
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