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EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« on: March 24, 2015, 11:38:26 pm »
It's all fun and games until an innocent opamp gets hurt!
Dave proves he's not the sharpest tool in the shed by killing an opamp in his ĀµCurrent calibration test jig, whilst checking the calibration of course.
Doh.

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 01:28:24 am »
Still happening for me at 480 SD

One other person on youtube complained about this too.
No idea, uploading the same Handbrake output like I always have.\
Must be youtube.
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 01:31:13 am »
Still happening for me at 480 SD

Ok, I see it now at 480p

Hmm, is it just this video?
I did render and transcode this with my new Xeon machine, so that's new installs of Handbrake and Sony.
No issues in my original HD source material I uploaded to Youtube.
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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 01:42:11 am »
Excellent video!  Learn just as much off your fail...likely more, than my own.  ;)

I didn't notice any difference in the quality.  HTLM5 @ 720p...Flash is evil.  When the hell is youtube going to support full res in HTML5??
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 01:44:37 am »
Hi Dave,

I feel your pain! Been there done things similar. What Sparky hasn't?

Once upon a time I had a really nice Motorola 1KHz-1GHz RF generator that I picked up cheap at a hamfest due to a phase lock problem. A friend of mine said that he had the Systron-Donner version and that I should bring it over and we could swap the cards between the units to narrow the problem to one board.

Well (as you may have guessed) we pulled the same board from his good working one and I put it in my unit and threw the power switch and smoke rolled out from the board. They were, from initial inspection identical (so we thought) but with a slightly different rev letter IIRC but the board assembly information matched.

As it turns out the Motorola boards (and obviously the frame) had the + and - 15V supply rails swapped. It was done with vias near the card edge as the supplies were on opposite sides of a 22 pin dual row connector so it was not visually obvious. Well we looked at each other and decided we needed a beer (or perhaps a six pack!).

He said "I guess this is our quota". I asked what he meant. He said "I need to blow something up at least once a week to keep my troubleshooting skills sharp". We maybe so. I felt about a inch tall about 1 nanosecond after I flipped the switch. Well we started with one working generator. Now we had none, and no spare working boards.

We went though both boards and replaced all of the chips, put them back in the respective frames and fired both units up and they both came to life. Neither generator exhibited any other faults which amazed me.

Neither of us liked to shotgun such a problem, but we did not have extender cards and the card did not lend itself to probing without them. Sometimes a handful
of cheap chips is the best solution, especially after you run out of beer.

I still have that generator and every time we see each other we have a chuckle about our reaction to the power up smoke event.

Needless to say I was a lot more careful after that event.

Sam
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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 02:53:15 am »
Hi
Thanks


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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 04:35:21 am »
"<----- goes bang."


hahahahaha. We've all done it!
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 08:12:43 am »
Too many times I've done that, but not enough times so that I never do it again.

And when are enough spares enough? Do you get parts anxiety when you've only got one or two spares left?

Say you think you've found the problem, think you've fix it, replace the part with your penultimate spare, switch on and... oops, guess you didn't find that fault after all.... Only one spare left...
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 08:13:38 am »
I only ever watch youtube at 480 and just dont see much difference at higher rates. For me it's not specifically Dave's video's but most video's regardless of the uploader. On some it's the first 10 to 30 second's, this current one of Dave's was one of the worst that I had seen and I paused and then refreshed and it came good immediately.

I watched one of Tom Lipton's just prior to Dave's and that also was low resolution for the first 10 or so second's, it paused then continued at a higher more normal level. I do occasionally get a message above or below some video's about the problematic viewing with a link to the ISP, in my case Optus cable.
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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2015, 08:16:10 am »
Hi Dave, good video! You try lo learn from your mistakes.
I haven't kiled an opamp - yet, but I once plugged in my
ham radio/maritime radio transmitter in the wrong way,
at night. I have banana plugs on them... I had the luck
that my YAESU transmitter had a good design and came
to life again after some minutes of nailchewing...
Out at sea tend to be a bit dependent on your transmitter
working 8-)
73, Alex DH2ID
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2015, 08:52:09 am »
On the issue of video quality - I watched on 480 and noticed no irregularity saw few inconsistent glitches at 0:23-0:28 mark. Glitches are on the parts with maximum movement and inconsistent - probably some YouTube coding/flash thing.

However, for some time (month or so) I have such problem with any YouTube videos - on the first try, video either does not upload, does not play, loses few of resolution options (resolution selection goes blank), plays few seconds with no sound, then distorts the image and goes to blank CRT like screen with "An error occurred, please try again later. Learn More". On second try, video plays nicely with no weird effects.
I guess it has something to do with YouTube being too clever with checking available bandwidth and failing at that horribly.
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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2015, 08:56:56 am »
On the issue of video quality - I watched on 480 and noticed no irregularity.

You probably blinked because at the time mark in that previous post it does have a glitch, my player however defaulted to 720p but I re-watched it in 480p and sure enough the bad encoding is there.

Must be a problem with youtube's encoding when they down sample.
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2015, 09:19:29 am »
Showing some love to the Fluke 27...!

 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2015, 09:55:31 am »
Must be a problem with youtube's encoding when they down sample.

In that case we have to figure out why.
I have uploaded the exact same file on my 2nd channel:


I see no problem on the HD source file I uploaded.
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2015, 09:58:34 am »
For me it's not specifically Dave's video's but most video's regardless of the uploader.
On some it's the first 10 to 30 second's, this current one of Dave's was one of the worst
that I had seen and I paused and then refreshed and it came good immediately.

Good to know it's not just my videos. My panic level has gone a notch  :phew:
Do the other channel videos have 50/60p source material like mine?
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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2015, 10:00:59 am »
Throwing out a random suggestion to anyone wanting to investigate further: use youtube-dl to download the videos as encoded by Youtube (480p is clearly the one in question here), and try playing it with VLC or whatever your favourite player is. That should help clarify whether the problem is with the encoded data (i.e., bug in YouTube's encoders on their servers), or with the flash/HTML5 player in the client.
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2015, 10:03:12 am »
Well on the other channel the glitch is still there, but I was using 720p so it must be in the original video, but it's just a couple of frames



Edit: But I don't see it at 1080p
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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2015, 11:13:05 am »
It's glitch-ing all over the place for me.  Every 3-4 seconds - also goes to black for a few frames, at random.  It's like a stobe light. - as if the frames aren't there - good thing I don't have epilepsy.

I have to guess  it's part of the 50fps stuff - no other videos cause that for me (firefox, win 7 pro, 32 gigs of ram, i7, SSD)

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2015, 11:47:36 am »
Everything looks perfectly fine to me, across 480p/720p/1080p. (chrome, win 7 pro, 12GB, i7, SSD, GTX 670)
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2015, 12:04:30 pm »
Everything looks perfectly fine to me, across 480p/720p/1080p. (chrome, win 7 pro, 12GB, i7, SSD, GTX 670)

I think Chrome uses different source video than Firefox (Firefox uses flash, Chrome uses HTML5).

If so, it seems like the problem might be at Youtube's end. Hopefully it will go away.
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2015, 12:18:13 pm »
Showing some love to the Fluke 27...!

 :-+

I should send Dave an 8025.
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2015, 01:22:35 pm »
dave sell me that fluke 27 pleeeease  :-+
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 02:37:28 pm »
It's so subtle that you really have to be on the lookout for it and if you blink you miss it.
If I wasn't looking for it because of he previous screen captures I would have missed it.

@george, that's weird because it's the same content so it must be in your end. Maybe the codec your system has goes out of whack after it encounters it and never recovers?

Show a capture to see if it's before or after the one found and if it can be reproduced by others.

 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2015, 03:50:34 pm »
Nearly as dumb arsed as me the other day when I blew not one, but 2 LM399's by hooking the heaters up in reverse :palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #727 - How To Kill An Opamp
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 04:29:07 pm »
dave sell me that fluke 27 pleeeease  :-+

The price of those things has gone waaay up on eBay lately:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=fluke+27

Lucky I got mine when I did.   :-+


(You can still get the grey ones for a reasonable-ish price, but who wants a grey one?)


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