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EEVblog #729 - Mailbag
« on: March 31, 2015, 12:06:33 am »
Another lengthy mailbag, with plenty of diverse stuff.
RCA Airnergy Bullshit Video:
Forum:

SPOILERS:
Kan Jam flying disc

Psion 3A Organiser

1974 808 RapidMan Calculator made in Canada.

Russian IN-9 Neon bargraph display tube.
Datasheet: http://exclusiv-store.com/tubes/in-9/1745_1.jpg
Info & characteristic curves: http://www.die-wuestens.de/rd/IN9-2.pdf

Wifi cellphone battery charging bullshit: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/945803481/wave-a-cell-phone-that-charges-battery-with-wifi-s/description

RF Energy Harvesting. Can a WiFi signal light up a LED?
http://www.rfdiagnostics.com

Flir VP50 Non-Contact voltage detector.

Freescale PowerQuicc II security processor:
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC8248
EEVblog Main Web Site: http://www.eevblog.com
The 2nd EEVblog Channel: https://www.youtube.com/EEVblog2

APC Netbotz Room Monitor Teardown

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Re: EEVblog #729 - Mailbag
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 12:45:59 am »
Video is glitchy, especially on head movements up and down. Still watchable though.
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2015, 01:23:33 am »
Wardrobe was busy today.  10 minutes in and your shirt changed 4 times :)
 

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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015, 01:24:30 am »
Woah! I think Dave has been using his Delorean...

He receives the shirt which he tests for static later in the video.

Thanks for the video Dave!  :-+

Edit: can we take a minute to mention how bad an idea it is to use a screw/washer to hold down the wires in that soldering iron?
« Last Edit: March 31, 2015, 01:46:31 am by kizzap »
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2015, 01:26:51 am »
Video is glitchy, especially on head movements up and down. Still watchable though.

Lots of Youtube problems. Says it hasn't finishing processing yet, and will not show on my feed.
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015, 02:29:16 am »
Re-uploaded and now processed fine. No idea what happened to previous one.
 

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2015, 02:44:48 am »
Dave:

Factoid, I do not think it means what you think it means. I used to think it was a 'micro-fact' as well. Politicians are the worst at using this with some quite hilarious results if you take the meaning in it's correct context!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factoid
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2015, 02:51:52 am »
That soldering iron (p.o.s) was £1.57 off eBay. I found it whilst searching for some soldering stations and after a chat in IRC, I decided why the hell not - thought it might provoke some interesting discussion  ;D

My £10 stick iron has some kind of passive ?protection devices in the handle, the only thing this iron is going to be protected by is the distribution board (Would the heater element blow before the wires started melting?)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261507617086 (Now increased the price!)
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2015, 02:59:02 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factoid

Quote
although the term can have other meanings

Welcome to the living and evolving English language!
 

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2015, 03:31:34 am »
The Keithley 2400 can sink/source up to 100 mA at 200 V. You just forgot to press the up-arrow for the current range (both compliance and source has individual ranges). That is the up-arrow button to the right of the button you were pressing  ;)
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2015, 03:56:52 am »
The neon tubes were cool, video was just fine.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2015, 04:46:12 am »
That's my psion!

Psion 3a doesn't have pcmcia slots - they are proprietary you could get battery backed ram, flash or roms.

Looking forward to the teardown!
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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2015, 05:10:06 am »
I have a Rapidman that my parents gave me in 1974, and it still works. I still have the original wall wart and manual too!
 

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2015, 06:47:26 am »
It's possible to use a common CCFL as a tube bargraph by bypassing the output cap on the inverter, connecting the output to one end of the CCFL (leave the other end disconnected) and to a piece of thin bare wire wrapped around or taped to the CCFL. Then supply the inverter with a variable voltage  and watch the CCFL go up and down.
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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2015, 07:19:42 am »
That's my psion!
Psion 3a doesn't have pcmcia slots - they are proprietary you could get battery backed ram, flash or roms.

Ah, I think my Psion 5 had a standard PCMCIA slot.
 

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2015, 07:27:54 am »
Ah, I think my Psion 5 had a standard PCMCIA slot.
Compact flash for series 5. :)

I had a 5 too but my girlfriend stole it and used it to do her university assignments. Happy days.
 

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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2015, 08:30:57 am »
Is there much of a difference between the Audiophools and the Videophools? Thanks.
 

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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 12:59:23 pm »

Russian IN-9 Neon bargraph display tube.
Datasheet: http://exclusiv-store.com/tubes/in-9/1745_1.jpg
Info & characteristic curves: http://www.die-wuestens.de/rd/IN9-2.pdf


I purchased these units from 'Frag' Jan zuerst', and they worked as advertised.  However, I found erratic operation (with disjoint glow patterns) when running them directly from a Fluke calibrator in constant-current mode.  They ran well from a voltage and series resistor, but that is a non-linear circuit.  I haven't tried the transistor drive yet.
 

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2015, 04:00:48 pm »
moto-e FTW , <$< or Moto-g for even better value. YMMV
 

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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2015, 04:13:09 pm »
I have a Rapidman 1208 LC desktop calculator, with an unusual rear illuminated LCD. It has a standard incandescent lamp that backlights a white on black LCD. It's just a little four banger as well.

Rockwell and Texas Instruments produced the earliest LSI calculator chip sets. Many companies purchased chipsets from Either Rockwell or TI, and did their own branded designs. HP did their own models, relying on their own designs (with some early mask development and production contracted to MOSTEK). MOSTEK focused on DRAM and second sourcing microprocessors, but ultimately failed against asian DRAMs. MOS Technologies (not MOSTEK) was also a major supplier of early calculator chipsets, as well as CPUs (like the MOS 6502). Unlike MOSTEK, MOS Tech was bought by Commodore, and became a MAJOR manufacturer that shifted towards computing to survive, after calculator prices dropped. There are actually a large variety of Commodore calculators that have some impressive feature sets, all based on MOS chips.

The keyboard on that Rapidman you were sent looks like one of the variants of the TI Klixon keyboard, just with smaller keycaps than is traditional. Companies could use whatever style keycap they wanted, as the Klixon was a self contained unit, more or less. Again, TI sold the part and other calculator manufacturers used it as an off the shelf component to manufacture their own models. Some companies even bought the TI keycap set (shown below) and just silkscreened whatever symbols they wanted. TI even sold the keycaps as a double shot injection molded variant! The fact that there are domes for the entire grid, even thought he entire grid isn't utilized is a solid indication that it's an off the shelf part, vs something made custom for that calc.

Hmm... Klixon keyboards... I think this is a legit one, but you never know! Maybe it's a knockoff! Does the PC board say a number followed by KS anywhere, like 1KS, or 6KS?



LOL, I can always use a Rapidman! XD
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 04:39:09 pm »
And the oscilloscope in the background is still upside-down...
 

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 04:52:14 pm »
Shoot, I must dig out the assorted walkmen I have and slap them in the post to Dave then. Will quadruple his collection, though I doubt any of then still work ( Sony belts.........) as tape transports.
 

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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 04:57:12 pm »
If I recall, the original Sony Walkman used a gearmotor rather than the typical belt. One of the old "BEAM" style robots built by Mark Tilden in the 90s was named "Walkman", for it's use of 5 first edition Walkman gearmotors to drive it's legs and center joint. Those motors fetch a high premium these days, and I imagine an original Walkman really would be a collectors item! I'd love one myself!  ;D

To those who might not be aware, BEAM robots were these ridiculously simple things that used relaxation oscillators chained together to create "Central Pattern Generators" that would create semi variable walking gaits, or operate wheel motors off of the duty cycle you get from paired realization oscillators tied to either solar panels or sensors. In the late 80s and early 90s, it was kinda impressive, but it really couldn't scale, and CPUs eventually far overtook them in capability. Still, I do enjoy making them... Kinda like an electronic version of clockwork toys, in a sense.

Tilden had ideas of making hundreds or thousands of the things for cheap, dropping them on active land mine zones, and letting the little robo-bugs randomly skitter about and blow themselves (and the mines) up! LOL! At least the idea was for a good cause! Now, a micro can do the same job, and still be cheap!
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 05:24:21 pm »
Well there's a co-incidence. I just had a mailbag tuesday myself, received a parcel from Russia this very morning including some IN-9 nixie bargraph tubes  :-+ .

I've got an old UNI-T UT70B meter whose crystals dropped out of the cracked LCD. I'm planning on turning its guts into a bench DMM with the nixies, IN-12B's for the digits, IN-15A/B's for the symbols, and IN-9 for the bargraph function. Oh, some IN-3s for the MAX/MIN/REL indicators. I'm going proper cold war soviet on this one   8)

Of course it will revert to Nixie Clock mode when the meter is switched off ;)

I can recommend tubes-store.com. Excellent prices (IN-9's are currently only $1.50 each!), well packaged, new unused stock, and quick delivery (within 10 days Russia to UK).
 


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