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Offline Galenbo

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #300 on: July 26, 2015, 03:21:21 am »
I don't know whether to throughly destory this video, or just not give them the air time any more?  :-//
I wouldn't put new energy in their new video, all the people with some ohm's law knowledge already know what's going on.
To the others, you (we) sound like a religious demagoge or a consperacist, someone with a hidden agenda.

If I would react, I would resolutely stick to my own initial claims.
-they did not give a list of products that stop working below 1.2V
-they gave no list with devices that already have a boost converter.
-they mix all kind of tech/science units, go to basic school
-they don't understand percentages.
-there is no linearity between rest voltage and rest energy.
-the product has max xx% rendability, what will result in a lower autonomy
-they refuse to give numbers when speaking about longer, more, better,...
-...

None of this is corrected in their video2
Don't get guided by them or their agenda.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 03:23:34 am by Galenbo »
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #301 on: July 26, 2015, 05:37:16 am »
And now every critism below the video got deleted.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #302 on: July 26, 2015, 06:06:32 am »
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Check out this commenter called SagorRoy:


Joined start of July, clearly a recently generated sock puppet account. Check out all the other random comments made by this account.

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He offers this service on twitter:

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His comments on the video are in line with that service.

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« Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 06:20:06 am by jancumps »
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #303 on: July 26, 2015, 07:12:32 am »
Dave, do not waste time debunking this BS.
I don't know whether to throughly destory this video, or just not give them the air time any more?  :-//
Their Indiegogo Starts in two days time, and I suspect will succeed regardless of what I or anyone else who is talking out about this says.
Do whatever you feel like is best.
My point of view is that you cannot really do anything at this point about Bateriser because their are doing PR campaign with clear demagogy tactics and they do not care about technical arguments. They are "right" no matter what (until company folds). Thus, I would consider further debunking ineffective and unnecessary.

Not that there is some substance left to debunk - Bateriser did not ship anything yet (which they most likely would do) and did not provide any real data (which they won't do with 99.99% certainty). Expect some more vague misleading terms and claims, but not anything testable.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #304 on: July 26, 2015, 08:03:36 am »
What's happening here is very simple, people behind this are just greedy.

In all fairness they do have a product that a lot of people would buy, but instead of being upfront with the benefits and limitations they decide to ignore facts, generalise scenarios, etc, the bubble is just getting bigger and bigger.

But this is what happens when lots of people get involved developing (and marketing) products like this, since no single person is directly responsible they'll just carry on until it bursts.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #305 on: July 26, 2015, 08:52:27 am »
He offers this service on twitter:
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His comments on the video are in line with that service.
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Nice find.
This Batteriser mob are simply pathetic.
Wouldn't surprise me if they bought the video views as well.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #306 on: July 26, 2015, 09:25:03 am »
Comments on their videos stink to high heaven. Take this new one testing against a flashlight (fair enough test, that's why most LED flashlights have boost converters built in):


Check out this commenter called SagorRoy:


Joined start of July, clearly a recently generated sock puppet account. Check out all the other random comments made by this account.



Pathetic, really pathetic  :--



Talk shite, seriously?!
I did try to stay off the hate waggon but look at it! It's a piece of folded copper!
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #307 on: July 26, 2015, 01:32:37 pm »
Dave, do not waste time debunking this BS.

I don't know whether to throughly destory this video, or just not give them the air time any more?
Give it up. You're no match for a guy who stuffs probes up a toy monkey's butt.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #308 on: July 26, 2015, 02:36:17 pm »
PHD . Person Hopelesly Deficient...
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Any comments, or points of view expressed, are my own and not endorsed , induced or compensated by my employer(s).
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #309 on: July 26, 2015, 02:44:33 pm »
PHD . Person Hopelesly Deficient...
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Hey, we have honest PhDs amongst us. Not me btw.

Edit: to clarify, not me on the PhD part, not on the honest part ;)
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #310 on: July 27, 2015, 02:32:35 am »
When it will be made available?

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #311 on: July 27, 2015, 07:27:49 am »
I believe a pre-sale starts July 27.

edit: actually that's today!
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #312 on: July 27, 2015, 05:46:00 pm »
OMG!
Batteriser have finally admitted they were wrong and used the wrong voltage measurement to characterise their product!
They have changed the wording on their website completely to finally mention battery voltage under load, with a caveat that that related to 1.3V open circuit  :-DD
But they still cling to their stupid 80% unused energy claim, and even use it in the same headline implying that an under load dropout voltage of now 1.1V still translates to 80% unused energy.
Oops, how embarrassing!  :-DD  :palm:
The silly thing is their claim is now even more demonstrably untrue!

« Last Edit: July 27, 2015, 05:47:53 pm by EEVblog »
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #313 on: July 27, 2015, 06:55:39 pm »
The old statement.



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« Last Edit: July 27, 2015, 06:57:44 pm by firewalker »
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #314 on: July 27, 2015, 07:42:49 pm »
The old statement.

Luckily we captured all their old claims for posterity.
No way they would have changed their tune without the community showing they were completely wrong.
Only problem is they are still completely wrong about lost capacity now admitting a typical 1.1V cutout voltage. For anyone who cares to look at a battery datasheet, there is now zero chance of this product being anything close to the x8 / 800% / 80% lost claim, no if's, no buts, no secret sauce.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #315 on: July 27, 2015, 08:03:10 pm »

Bugger.. :palm:
I was looking forward to the 2032 version, now it seems I wont be around... :-DD
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #316 on: July 27, 2015, 08:15:00 pm »
They have also changed their promo video.
It used to say
"did you know all the batteries you've ever used have only used up to 20% of their battery life."
Not it's
"Did you know that a significant number of dead batteries you throw away had only used roughly 20% of their battery life"
 :-DD

So they have gone from absolute certain fact of all batteries, to a "significant number"  :palm:

But of course they had to change this to stop any potential class action law suit from any Indiegogo backers or other customers who find them useless or don't get anywhere near the claimed capacity.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #317 on: July 27, 2015, 08:22:23 pm »
We must find the old video...

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #318 on: July 27, 2015, 08:29:43 pm »
We must find the old video...

It's embedded in my debunking video at the end.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #319 on: July 27, 2015, 08:58:14 pm »
For the record, screen captures of their absurd and embarrassing straw man claim about my using a PSU to determine the product cutout voltage:



 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #320 on: July 27, 2015, 09:17:16 pm »
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Check out this commenter called SagorRoy:


Joined start of July, clearly a recently generated sock puppet account. Check out all the other random comments made by this account.

...

He offers this service on twitter:

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i will Manually submit your website or blog or video links to 30+  Social Bookmarking Site. Services
His comments on the video are in line with that service.

https://www.fiverr.com/smartit69/create-30-high-quality-social-bookmarking-backlinks-from-pr10-to-6
:-DD :palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #321 on: July 27, 2015, 09:33:17 pm »
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"Most new batteries contain 1.5V of energy when first bought"
Are you sure these guys have an EE degree? :palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #322 on: July 27, 2015, 09:40:31 pm »
I think I might have a use for these things. There are a number of devices which refuse to run from a hydride cell, because they cut out at 1.4V or so. This gadget might boost the rechargeable cell's voltage until it becomes usable. :-\ I still can't see even the slimmest of structures fitting in most battery holders, though.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #323 on: July 27, 2015, 09:53:23 pm »
I think I might have a use for these things. There are a number of devices which refuse to run from a hydride cell, because they cut out at 1.4V or so.
Sure, there's one or two devices where this could be useful.

But ... they're only a tiny percentage of devices. Care to name yours?
« Last Edit: July 27, 2015, 10:12:22 pm by Fungus »
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #324 on: July 27, 2015, 10:03:50 pm »
I’m hoping they have the courtesy to send Dave some free Batteriser samples to review, after all the help/information he’s been providing.
 


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