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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #325 on: July 27, 2015, 12:08:47 pm »
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"Most new batteries contain 1.5V of energy when first bought"
Are you sure these guys have an EE degree? :palm:

A PhD and Masters. And the PhD guy is/was a professor  :palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #326 on: July 27, 2015, 12:10:11 pm »
I’m hoping they have the courtesy to send Dave some free Batteriser samples to review, after all the help/information he’s been providing.

They are more than welcome to, but I suspect they'd prefer I just go away and STFU.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #327 on: July 27, 2015, 12:21:50 pm »
A PhD and Masters. And the PhD guy is/was a professor  :palm:
I just did a patentsearch on the guy, he claims to have more than 500 US patents, I thought that was rediculous, but he does, 505 to be exact.
All from a nand flash company called Micron, and a lot of them almost the same (must be otherwise you can not get that many patents) and probably a lot as side kick.
I really wonder why someone like that gets involved with this kind of shady business and claims.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #328 on: July 27, 2015, 12:28:01 pm »
I just did a patentsearch on the guy, he claims to have more than 500 US patents, and he does, 505 to be exact.
All from a nand flash company Micron, and a lot almost the same.

That's common. One idea and patent 500 ways to implement it. Big companies like that have in-house patent departments that do just this.
I've heard it's one of the least desirable patent attoney roles, because it's more boring than watching paint dry.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #329 on: July 27, 2015, 12:43:27 pm »
And the Indiegogo is live:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story

Flexible Funding of course, the choice of champions  ;D

And of course they are so scared of my debunking they had to put their ridiculous straw-man video right up on the campaign page!  ::)

Only $30K. They are smart, they will easily make that.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #331 on: July 27, 2015, 01:05:17 pm »
I’m hoping they have the courtesy to send Dave some free Batteriser samples to review, after all the help/information he’s been providing.

They are more than welcome to, but I suspect they'd prefer I just go away and STFU.

Yeah perhaps, but considering the backing and funding this product seems to have, their overstatements maybe is deliberate to test the market responses (so to speak), on the line with "any publicity" is "good publicity"... (not at all a behaviour I agree with).

It's puzzling anyway... are they really just the 'clowns' they sometime seems to be(?)
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #332 on: July 27, 2015, 01:06:39 pm »
mark my words, this is going to be a tell sell product, just next to the shrinkable garden hose but that one actually works  :-DD
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #333 on: July 27, 2015, 01:13:51 pm »
5 guys with mega qualifications, probable substantial revenue streams and lines of credit, looking for a paltry 30,000$ investment on the internet to subsidize their project. That doesn't make much sense, unless the whole thing is baloney.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #334 on: July 27, 2015, 01:18:28 pm »
5 guys with mega qualifications, probable substantial revenue streams and lines of credit, looking for a paltry 30,000$ investment on the internet to subsidize their project. That doesn't make much sense, unless the whole thing is baloney.
Making those pretty prototypes must have cost them that much.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #335 on: July 27, 2015, 01:22:48 pm »
Because of Capitals Control I can't contribute and comment...

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #336 on: July 27, 2015, 01:31:23 pm »
Making those pretty prototypes must have cost them that much.

They have a fair bit of funding, no doubt. That is why they can set the target low.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #337 on: July 27, 2015, 01:35:13 pm »
And the Indiegogo is live:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story

They've got a 'comments' section...

It also has an "As Seen On: " section. But they forgot to mention that it's covered on the EEVblog.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #338 on: July 27, 2015, 01:36:06 pm »
5 guys with mega qualifications, probable substantial revenue streams and lines of credit, looking for a paltry 30,000$ investment on the internet to subsidize their project. That doesn't make much sense, unless the whole thing is baloney.

It's so they can use the Indiegogo as proof of market to major venture capitalists. Doesn't matter the amount, campaign success means campaign success.
The goal is most likely to flip the company for a profit at the first opportunity.
But I'm stunned that they have spend 5 years developing this, obviously have money behind them, a big name investor on their board already, have obviously spent tons of money on clever highly polished marketing and vidoes, and they chose Indiegogo Flexible Funding instead of Kickstarter?  :-//
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #339 on: July 27, 2015, 01:39:19 pm »
And the Indiegogo is live:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/story
They've got a 'comments' section...

Betcha anytign they will heavily censor any criticism on there.
I have a new video coming out tomorrow that is totally related, doesn't directly address their silly Monkey video though, that is best left to another video.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #340 on: July 27, 2015, 01:41:49 pm »
They are allowed from IGG to select and remove comments?

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #341 on: July 27, 2015, 01:42:10 pm »
Funny, there's 2 comments made on Indiegogo now (none by me)

One is calmly asking for more technical data.

The other is worshipping the product like the new messiah.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #342 on: July 27, 2015, 01:42:18 pm »
I wonder if the people who wrote fluff articles based on the batteriser press release are happy that their names are now being used to endorse the product?

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #343 on: July 27, 2015, 01:49:19 pm »
I wonder if the people who wrote fluff articles based on the batteriser press release are happy that their names are now being used to endorse the product?

That's all part of the game, they don't care.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #344 on: July 27, 2015, 02:02:03 pm »
A Google for "batteriser" currently has this for me as the 3rd result:

http://hackaday.com/2015/06/06/crowdfunding-follies-debunking-the-batteriser/

Dave's #751 video is also on the first page.

 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #345 on: July 27, 2015, 02:06:09 pm »
I think I might have a use for these things. There are a number of devices which refuse to run from a hydride cell, because they cut out at 1.4V or so.
Sure, there's one or two devices where this could be useful.

But ... they're only a tiny percentage of devices. Care to name yours?
I generally like Olympus products, but they've produced a few things that's wouldn't run from NiMH cells. They are certainly not alone.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #346 on: July 27, 2015, 02:07:51 pm »
A Google for "batteriser" currently has this for me as the 3rd result:
http://hackaday.com/2015/06/06/crowdfunding-follies-debunking-the-batteriser/
Dave's #751 video is also on the first page.

I'm at #4 for me.
5 of the top 10 results are debunking, including the NeuroLogica blog.
 :-+
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #347 on: July 27, 2015, 02:53:01 pm »
Dave, what if we used batterisers on the storage batteries of a solar road?? All our power problems would be solved!!!  :-DD

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #348 on: July 27, 2015, 03:12:04 pm »
I'll say this: these Batteriser guys are true EEVBlog fans. They even read the post about the battery shorting through the sleeve - so they coated their sheet metal.

I am impressed at the price point they're able to achieve. Being an insider at Flextronics has its benefits.

These would actually have been nice 30 years ago in they pre-ubiquitous-boost-converter heydays of TTL logic. Aside from uber cheap toys, it's hard to see the point today.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #349 on: July 27, 2015, 05:02:56 pm »
PHD - Piled Higher and Deeper.

Funny enough, this applies to them rather well.



 


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