EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Blocco]

Yes, come to think of it, it is definitely an active load device operating at constant power (1.6W). As you said, the sleeves most probably will make things worse.

Unless you consider the end of the test as the moment you get the battery warning (like the Batteroo Bros did and convinced UL of).

The UL report is complete trash and doesn't meet even the most basic of criteria for carrying out such a test; they should be embarrassed to have put their name to it.

Following the standard disclaimer, the actual "test" section reads like it was written by a 10 year old.

[drussell]

The UL report is complete trash and doesn't meet even the most basic of criteria for carrying out such a test; they should be embarrassed to have put their name to it.

Following the standard disclaimer, the actual "test" section reads like it was written by a 10 year old.

UL did precisely the test they were asked to do by Batteroo, using Batteroo-supplied testing aparatus and method. 

Predictably, the results and the report were just as (in)valid as the test criteria provided by Batteroo.

Aside from actually agreeing to do such a bogus test in the first place, it isn't UL's fault. 

[Blocco]

The UL report is complete trash and doesn't meet even the most basic of criteria for carrying out such a test; they should be embarrassed to have put their name to it.

Following the standard disclaimer, the actual "test" section reads like it was written by a 10 year old.

UL did precisely the test they were asked to do by Batteroo, using Batteroo-supplied testing aparatus and method. 

Predictably, the results and the report were just as (in)valid as the test criteria provided by Batteroo.

Aside from actually agreeing to do such a bogus test in the first place, it isn't UL's fault. 

They may have just been carrying out the test dictated by Batteroo but, they failed to adequately describe the test set-up, the method or the equipment used, they did not record any serial numbers and they did not repeat the test. As a reputable organisation they should know better than to produce this kind of drivel.

[AmmoJammo]

Hey boob, it looks like you stopped typing halfway through your reply, and forgot to even acknowledge that you previously claimed you'd be giving the non-existent 9v "Batterisers" away with each order...

[EEVblog]

Doesn't it draw more then 500mA?
(At least when the hands get blocked)

Their new model can do 1.5A
And given that they publish no power curve at all, and they state on their website:


Probes should be just fine.

[EEVblog]

The UL report is complete trash and doesn't meet even the most basic of criteria for carrying out such a test; they should be embarrassed to have put their name to it.

They seem to be by the way the disclaimer is written.

[EEVblog]

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but will these "Batterisers" be able to output the kind of current needed by some appliances? They look pretty small, seems like the efficiency would hit the fan if you tried to draw high current from it. I don't mean when the battery has tiny charge in it, I mean a full battery. If I had a full battery, wouldn't drawing 2 amps from the "Batteriser" result in a faster depletion of battery life due to efficiency?

Yes, it becomes a maximum power transfer issue.
A curve of a AA Batteriser clone has been published on here that shows this.

[drussell]

The UL report is complete trash and doesn't meet even the most basic of criteria for carrying out such a test; they should be embarrassed to have put their name to it.

Following the standard disclaimer, the actual "test" section reads like it was written by a 10 year old.

UL did precisely the test they were asked to do by Batteroo, using Batteroo-supplied testing aparatus and method. 
Predictably, the results and the report were just as (in)valid as the test criteria provided by Batteroo.
Aside from actually agreeing to do such a bogus test in the first place, it isn't UL's fault. 

They may have just been carrying out the test dictated by Batteroo but, they failed to adequately describe the test set-up, the method or the equipment used, they did not record any serial numbers and they did not repeat the test. As a reputable organisation they should know better than to produce this kind of drivel.

Well, from my perspective, I believe they produced report of equal "bogosity" to the test itself. 

They seem to be by the way the disclaimer is written.

I agree...  I believe they were embarrassed by the irrelevant (to the point of essentially being fraudulent) nature of the test that they intentionally wrote that half-assed report with disclamers galore.  Not at all what you would expect from a reputable test organization. 

I also believe, however, that they should not have agreed to do such a silly test in the first place but I'm sure they had their reasons for doing it anyway, despite the fact that it was obvious nonsense.

[Blocco]

Hey boob, it looks like you stopped typing halfway through your reply, and forgot to even acknowledge that you previously claimed you'd be giving the non-existent 9v "Batterisers" away with each order...

So, the product arrived more than a year later than promised, doesn't meet the promised specification, and doesn't include the promised 9V Batteriser and yet the recipient thanks Bob for restoring his trust in IGG It doesn't take much to please some people. I wonder if he was being sarcastic... or perhaps he had zero trust in IGG to start with?

[ez24]

but I'm sure they had their reasons for doing it anyway, despite the fact that it was obvious nonsense.

$$$

[EEVblog]

Another update soon! Woot!

[ez24]

Another update soon! Woot!

As far as I can tell Woot sells some battery stuff but I could not find any Batterisers

http://www.woot.com/category/electronics/batteries-cables-chargers?ref=w_cnt_cdet_elec_4

?

[timb]

Another update soon! Woot!

As far as I can tell Woot sells some battery stuff but I could not find any Batterisers

http://www.woot.com/category/electronics/batteries-cables-chargers?ref=w_cnt_cdet_elec_4

?

Uh, you know "woot" was internet slang *long* before the daily-deal site Woot.com existed, right? In fact, the slang term is where the site's name comes from, as in, "Woot! Look at this great deal I just got!"

The exact origins of "woot" are unknown, but it likely stems from a h4x0rz corruption of "Whoop!" and "Woohoo!".

The more you know! ~~~*

[Luminax]

Another update soon! Woot!

As far as I can tell Woot sells some battery stuff but I could not find any Batterisers

http://www.woot.com/category/electronics/batteries-cables-chargers?ref=w_cnt_cdet_elec_4

?

Uh, you know "woot" was internet slang *long* before the daily-deal site Woot.com existed, right? In fact, the slang term is where the site's name comes from, as in, "Woot! Look at this great deal I just got!"

The exact origins of "woot" are unknown, but it likely stems from a h4x0rz corruption of "Whoop!" and "Woohoo!".

The more you know! ~~~*

You know, Dave is at fault for not using the proper w00t (with double-zero) form!

 

[Halcyon]

The Real History and Origin of Woot and w00t.

[ErikTheNorwegian]

What Bob should have wanted for xmass!!! 

AT520C HV Battery Resistance Meter
AT520C is new designed high voltage battery internal resistance meter, which build-in DC high voltage meter.
Resistance test range from 0.1m? to 300?, voltage range can reach to 400V.
Suitable for all kinds of high voltage battery test, such as high voltage and internal resistance of Li-battery.

Battery Resistance Meter Voltage:
10mV ~ 400V
0.1m? ~ 300? HV

http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-1m-300-HV-Battery-Resistance-Meter-Voltage-10mV-400V-/262562460629?hash=item3d21f133d5:g:zxEAAOSwZ8ZW~JWy

[timb]

The Real History and Origin of Woot and w00t.

Yeah, I don't buy his explanation. The most popular version of that song (by an enormous margin) is called "Whoomp! There It Is", which doesn't really sound like "woot"... (Though, if you listen to the song it really sounds like they're saying, "Whoop!" which at least rhymes with woot!)

I think a more plausible explanation is that it's random word created on IRC at some point in the mid to late 90's, rather than some sort of corruption of a song title that is in and off itself a misspelt onomatopoeia.

Still, it's a pretty great word. Short, concise and expressive.

w00tX0rZz

[EEVblog]

Reports of shipping notifications are flooding in


[/sarcasm]

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Another

[Halcyon]

Is it just me or do a lot of these names seem automatically generated?

[Luminax]

Perhaps I've mentioned before but I tried listing the backers and their contrib, and check if they look somewhat suspicious (gave up after 1000 names).
[sarcasm]
But hey, they have lots of actresses and actors and you know, just generally famous people in that backers list, check it out for yourself!
[/sarcasm]


^ One day someone will figure out a way to make the above BBcode a reality...

[Brumby]

Another

Hmmmm.... Is he a six million dollar man?

[EEVblog]

So more days go by and a few shipment notification reports come though, but no further people crowing they have received them, and certainly not anyone on this forum or the several hundred thousand people who have seen my Batteriser videos, or some people in sub 100 backing numbers.
This is getting boring 

[Luminax]

Another

Hmmmm.... Is he a six million dollar man?

I think you'll find he's Stone Kold

 

[EEVblog]

Another day, another single report of shipment notification