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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7250 on: December 16, 2016, 02:02:41 pm »
Get a sleeve to someone who can decap the IC and take high res microscope pictures!
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7251 on: December 16, 2016, 02:08:47 pm »
The musings of a fool..... Just about every assertion in the Batteroo patent is wrong....
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If one looks at the potential return of such a device in terms of lifetime of a battery, one can see significant benefits. For instance, the AA battery in the above example would use roughly the equivalent charge of the battery output in the range of 1.5V to 1.4V. This means that after 0.1V drop, the battery's life is over. If the battery could be used until its voltage reaches 0.8V, then after 0.7V drop the battery's life is over.

To have that in your patent application is embarrassing enough if you are just some hack "inventor" with little knowledge of batteries or electronic product design. But to be two major players in the electronics industry, CEO of tech companies in the power/charger industry no less, PhD's, university professor, hundreds of patents to your name, etc etc as they boast, it's beyond embarrassing  :palm:

The problem with the patent for them is that it's there forever now, they can't take it back, they can't change it like they do their website, and it shows exactly what they based their entire product and business model on.
Everything after the patent is them trying to scramble to save face with their idea and claims.

Absolutely, they have stacked fallacy upon fallacy and concluded nonsense; any first year engineering student could have spotted the faulty reasoning here. No wonder Frankie has filed so many patents if this is representative of the quality of his work.

 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7252 on: December 16, 2016, 02:16:05 pm »
Get a sleeve to someone who can decap the IC and take high res microscope pictures!

Yep, I second this.
http://zeptobars.com/en/ would be a good choice. I have the contact there if needed, although I'm sure the info email works.
They are EEVblog viewers and have visited the forum before, and they likely know about the Batteriser.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7253 on: December 16, 2016, 02:31:07 pm »
I have no attachments to the sleeves, so you decide what I should do with them. Except the ones that reach Dave, I have 4 more to send, so you decide. I've just sent them an email.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7254 on: December 16, 2016, 02:37:02 pm »
I just got my Christmas present, and I thought I have to share it with you.

 :-+

Out of interest, where was it posted from? Can you see postage costs on the label?

I'm sure people here will want as much detail as possible of the packaging, etc., as well as the sleeve.

Maybe it's time to start a separate "Batteroo testing" thread.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7255 on: December 16, 2016, 02:42:55 pm »
Here you go

 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7256 on: December 16, 2016, 02:49:27 pm »
Here you go
Sweden? Did they end up with the same drop-shipping company as Dave?  :-DD

edit: tracking link http://www.postnord.se/en/tools/track/Pages/track-and-trace.aspx?search=RE516481241SE

So they posted it Nov 16, and left the US on Nov 21, and then didn't arrive at the destination until now, a month later
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7257 on: December 16, 2016, 03:03:23 pm »
Random Youtube Video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZw1PSyQkE&feature=youtu.be&t=300

People who are in to watch gadgets should probably go to the start of the video, the concept appears pretty flash but broad day light could be a problem and strangely I don't see any finger shadowing effect or obscuration, now that's very interesting.

Considering the creator of that video actually rated the Batteriser better than the Cicret Bracelet in their top 5 countdown, I think we can pretty much assume it's a load of bunk.   :bullshit:
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7258 on: December 16, 2016, 03:28:15 pm »
Here you go


Oh, did anyone also notice the false declaration? They send it as a "gift", which is, at least here in germany, a big problem if it actually isn't a gift and instead a paid article. Since they were paid, customs could potentially get a bit angry about this?
Edit: I read it wrong, as mentioned, the X is not for gifts. So, nothing wrong here, my apologies.  :-+
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7259 on: December 16, 2016, 03:31:30 pm »
Here you go


Oh, did anyone also notice the false declaration? They send it as a "gift", which is, at least here in germany, a big problem if it actually isn't a gift and instead a paid article. Since they were paid, customs could potentially get a bit angry about this?

I actually would consider Kickstarter "awards" gifts, and not commercial items. But many will and do disagree on this. I guess you have to look up the law in your country and see if their definition covers it or not.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7260 on: December 16, 2016, 03:38:45 pm »
Same in Romania as in Germany. They would get "so angry" that they will make you pay the tax for importing that. And that happens in general.
I was amazed they did not tax me for this. That is because it came through Sweden and that is part of EU.

However it is actually a "Commercial Sample". Look at the Table (First column is for Gift / Documents).
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7261 on: December 16, 2016, 03:47:50 pm »
I have no attachments to the sleeves, so you decide what I should do with them. Except the ones that reach Dave, I have 4 more to send, so you decide. I've just sent them an email.
First I thought would be good to send them all to Dave, but might be better to have independent tests as well. I'll take a pack of 2, will do characteristics curves with it. From Romania to Germany shouldn't take to long. PM sent.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7262 on: December 16, 2016, 03:52:21 pm »
Will send them as soon as possible.
Don't want anything for them  ;)
Just tell us the results when you get them.

PS.

I have sent an email to zeptobars for decaping, so depending on the answer I will give them two samples. So the count is 4 to Dave and 2 to FrankBuss. Possibly 2 to for decaping. 8 in total. I know a lot of you want to test them, however I only have 8 :)
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7263 on: December 16, 2016, 04:00:48 pm »
Oh, did anyone also notice the false declaration? They send it as a "gift", which is, at least here in germany, a big problem if it actually isn't a gift and instead a paid article. Since they were paid, customs could potentially get a bit angry about this?
No, you read the document wrong: The x arks it as Commercial Sample. To mark it as Gift the mark would be on the left side of the field "Gift". Or where would you put the mark for Commercial Sample?
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7264 on: December 16, 2016, 04:03:55 pm »
http://zeptobars.com/en/ would be a good choice.

Oh My God, that site is pure silicon porn!
Anybody got a syringe I can use to squeeze the magic smoke back into this?
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7265 on: December 16, 2016, 04:33:36 pm »
I have sent an email to zeptobars for decaping, so depending on the answer I will give them two samples. So the count is 4 to Dave and 2 to FrankBuss. Possibly 2 to for decaping. 8 in total. I know a lot of you want to test them, however I only have 8 :)
Thanks. I can forward them to anybody who wants them after my tests.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7266 on: December 16, 2016, 05:47:17 pm »
Nicely done razvanme. Thank you! :-) I know I'm not alone - we're all pretty excited to see the test results. (Even though it's a bit like watching a Titanic.)
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7267 on: December 16, 2016, 06:11:24 pm »
Electronupdate can decap them, and probably will do a nice video about it as well.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7268 on: December 16, 2016, 06:16:33 pm »
I'm secretly hoping for a copyright mark from TI or something engraved on the die  :popcorn:
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7269 on: December 16, 2016, 06:16:53 pm »
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No, you read the document wrong: The x arks it as Commercial Sample. To mark it as Gift the mark would be on the left side of the field "Gift". Or where would you put the mark for Commercial Sample?
you are indeed correct with that - so, nothing wrong with the document  :-+

Thanks. I can forward them to anybody who wants them after my tests.

Would be highly interested in one, but since I don't have that fancy lab equipment, I would let other people have it if there is someone interested... But I would like to have them "some time in the future" to take a look at that mystery device everyone goes apeshit about.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7270 on: December 16, 2016, 06:18:16 pm »
Notice the manufacture date on the chip? "1629"
29th week of 2016 presumably? (Mid-July this year.)
Interesting.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7271 on: December 16, 2016, 06:38:32 pm »
PS: Thanks RAZVANME for posting the pics and info you have thus far. Would you maybe consider also doing a brief youtube video taking a look at the physical construction and your initial impressions? That'd be cool and I think it would get a lot of views. Doesn't have to be high production value or in-depth, just a few thoughts and impressions... Cheers!  :-+
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7272 on: December 16, 2016, 06:47:22 pm »
One sample to the user with the GPS unit. :D

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7273 on: December 16, 2016, 07:15:14 pm »
Didn't the GPS take AA?

These are still stamped with the original product name.  Interesting.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7274 on: December 16, 2016, 09:14:28 pm »
Maybe it's time to start a separate "Batteroo testing" thread.

Possibly, who thinks a dedicated thread strictly just for testing is a good idea?
 


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