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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7425 on: December 20, 2016, 01:22:24 pm »
As was also suggested, having two bulbs and two battery holders side by side in the same shot - and starting both at the same time one with and one without a Batteroo sleeve - would save some time, but I was just afraid of detractors claiming that the two bulbs have slightly different resistance values which could make a difference to the outcome.

I would suggest running 6 setups in the one shoot - 3 with Batteroo and 3 without.  You would have to repeat a one-on-one comparison several times anyway to get some statistical significance in the results.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7426 on: December 20, 2016, 01:23:20 pm »
Just use to light bulbs and two battery holder (one with the Batteroo). No editing needed. :D :D :D

I think the full running time might be a bit boring.  Maybe take a 5 second clip from every minute or just speed up playback.

"Time lapse" is when you take 1 picture every few seconds and make it into a movie.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7427 on: December 20, 2016, 01:40:25 pm »
As was also suggested, having two bulbs and two battery holders side by side in the same shot - and starting both at the same time one with and one without a Batteroo sleeve - would save some time, but I was just afraid of detractors claiming that the two bulbs have slightly different resistance values which could make a difference to the outcome.

I would suggest running 6 setups in the one shoot - 3 with Batteroo and 3 without.  You would have to repeat a one-on-one comparison several times anyway to get some statistical significance in the results.

That, or even more side-by-side, would of course be the ideal, and would be more scientific, as a sample of one is of dubious efficaciousness. But I guess there is a bit of a sleeve shortage in these early days, and those few that have them will just have to do the best they can with what they have... In time though, there will be more available for better testing.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7428 on: December 20, 2016, 03:28:14 pm »
Are they making these batteryslaves out of hens teeth, I really thought there'd be a collection of them by now.
Especially when you consider that they have to sell them all before the users' first battery change is due. :P
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7429 on: December 20, 2016, 03:40:13 pm »
I think a small geared motor incrementing a counter would provide an indication of the Batteroooo's (un)effectiveness in a practical application; the higher the counter value when the motor stops, the greater the energy extracted from the cell. This would be very easy to do and doesn't require timelapse video or subjective assessments of performance and cut-off.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7430 on: December 20, 2016, 04:27:24 pm »
Don't tell Boob, let's see how long it takes him to spot the spelling mistake.
(We already know BatterPoo reads this site.)


I before E - except after BatterPoo.

Same as in 'recieve'... But it proves that it is written bij Bob himself :-)


« Last Edit: December 20, 2016, 04:30:03 pm by Marcel_X »
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7431 on: December 20, 2016, 04:31:49 pm »
Do you know if there is the same circuit for AA and AAA version. I would think so, but has Bob ever confirm this?
Can anyone ask them this on indiegogo?

It would configm, that Dave tests are relevant for both versions.
 

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« Reply #7432 on: December 20, 2016, 05:22:44 pm »
You shouldn't have written that, now Boob knows about the intention of someone asking that and will definitely deny it :O
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7433 on: December 20, 2016, 05:39:25 pm »
As was also suggested, having two bulbs and two battery holders side by side in the same shot - and starting both at the same time one with and one without a Batteroo sleeve - would save some time, but I was just afraid of detractors claiming that the two bulbs have slightly different resistance values which could make a difference to the outcome.

I would suggest running 6 setups in the one shoot - 3 with Batteroo and 3 without.  You would have to repeat a one-on-one comparison several times anyway to get some statistical significance in the results.

That, or even more side-by-side, would of course be the ideal, and would be more scientific, as a sample of one is of dubious efficaciousness. But I guess there is a bit of a sleeve shortage in these early days, and those few that have them will just have to do the best they can with what they have... In time though, there will be more available for better testing.

What would be even more convincing would be to have the test live on the internet to view for the duration of the test. This would make very boring viewing but that in it self is not a reason not to do it. It would be more interesting than this very long running experiment. http://smp.uq.edu.au/content/pitch-drop-experiment
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7434 on: December 20, 2016, 10:04:36 pm »
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7435 on: December 20, 2016, 10:24:17 pm »

What would be even more convincing would be to have the test live on the internet to view for the duration of the test. This would make very boring viewing but that in it self is not a reason not to do it. It would be more interesting than this very long running experiment. http://smp.uq.edu.au/content/pitch-drop-experiment

+1 This. A live stream of the test would be interesting...
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7436 on: December 20, 2016, 10:31:01 pm »
+1 This. A live stream of the test would be interesting...
Watching a LED flashlight for 10 hours until it fades away would be boring as hell, unless Dave tells some anecdotes, but even this might get boring after some time.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7437 on: December 20, 2016, 10:40:35 pm »
Our Battery-iser man is back. He has received his Batteroos...

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7438 on: December 20, 2016, 10:55:25 pm »
omg, 5 minutes of my live wasted before I stopped the video, listening to someone who never took a look at the discharge curve of a battery, believing what this military prepper lunatic wrote, that when a battery is at 0.9 V, "20% of it's voltage is used"  :palm:
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7439 on: December 20, 2016, 10:57:07 pm »
Our Battery-iser man is back. He has received his Batteroos...

I'm afraid it will kill my brain cells.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7440 on: December 20, 2016, 11:06:12 pm »
Uncontrollable!
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7441 on: December 20, 2016, 11:12:30 pm »
Our Battery-iser man is back. He has received his Batteroos...

I'm scared to click. I'm afraid my brain will try to escape.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7442 on: December 20, 2016, 11:26:50 pm »
Uncontrollable!


Fortunately no customs within EU. Looks like my sleeves will arrive on time tomorrow, they just left Italy after a sightseeing trip:

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7443 on: December 20, 2016, 11:26:58 pm »
Uncontrollable!


Ahh man! What, don't they know how many people are waiting with bated breath for these things to arrive at their destination? lol. Maybe they look suspicious in the x-ray scanner?

Edit: spelling.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7444 on: December 20, 2016, 11:27:30 pm »
Orchestrated ?.   ::)

We didn't create the monster they did, this epic thread needed a theme tune anyway.   :-+

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7445 on: December 20, 2016, 11:30:47 pm »
Our Battery-iser man is back. He has received his Batteroos...

I'm scared to click. I'm afraid my brain will try to escape.

I'll summarise to save sanity. He believes that they are essentially joule thieves in fancy packaging, and he's actually correct in that. He thinks there was some giant conspiracy behind the scenes to destroy the Battery-iser startup. And he has a quote from an out-doorsman who says that a joule thief can be useful because products can stop working when cell voltage is anywhere from 0.9 to 1.3V.

He hasn't tried the sleeves out yet.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7446 on: December 20, 2016, 11:41:41 pm »
I'll summarise to save sanity. He believes that they are essentially joule thieves in fancy packaging, and he's actually correct in that.

Not really. A joule thief has no voltage feedback mechanism or output filtering.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7447 on: December 21, 2016, 12:04:52 am »
I think a small geared motor incrementing a counter would provide an indication of the Batteroooo's (un)effectiveness in a practical application; the higher the counter value when the motor stops, the greater the energy extracted from the cell. This would be very easy to do and doesn't require timelapse video or subjective assessments of performance and cut-off.

I rather like that idea.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7448 on: December 21, 2016, 12:38:40 am »
Our Battery-iser man is back. He has received his Batteroos...


I sat through it.  Aside from his declared interest in his Confederate flag and its use as a background, he continues with a mix of reasonableness and conspiracy theorist.

That mix really makes it difficult to call him out as having an unreliable opinion.  But he does.  He explicitly states he doesn't know (or care) about what circuitry is involved, yet slams the engineering community as the issues they are trying to point out are beyond his understanding - whether that be his capability or his willingness.

He is also very sensitive to ANYTHING he perceives as critical.  As mentioned before, I have had comments on his previous Youtube effort on the subject removed and I am now blocked - even though I was not attacking him.

There are a couple of statements he makes, which I would like to address.  The first is this:

"There is an orchestrated campaign behind the scenes by a lot of professionals"

Really?

You know this how? .... Actually, scratch that.  You don't know - and you have no evidence, other than a conspiracy theory and a desire for drama.

You don't need to 'orchestrate' anything when the subject is one that a group of similar understanding can make similar, if not identical, observations because of the knowledge that is common to them.

Let's say, for example, that a few Yankees made a comment that all Confederates were losers.  Would the Champions of the Confederacy need to orchestrate a response?  Hell no!  They would react in unison ... no co-ordination necessary!!!


On another point, he makes (extensive) reference to a note from Gray Wolf (a prepper).  I have taken a frame from that and highlighted a couple of numbers.  My annotations make my point...



Finally, there is this:
"If you catch the naysayers in one lie, the naysayers are probably lying like crazy"

This was in regards to the accusations that Batteroo was a scam.  I would like to point out a couple of things....  Yes, there were some people that claimed it was a scam - but when something looks like a skunk, acts like a skunk and smells like a skunk ... you can't really blame them for calling it a skunk.  Others were less condemning, but were sceptical - and you can't really blame them.  The repeating delays, absolute lack of information and sparse communication really gave good cause for unease.

So, calling that a "lie" is really a desperate claim.  I can only be made to try and discredit a group from any other things they say - a fact clearly indicated in the second half of that statement.  That is the action of someone who does not want an objective assessment of the product.  Second-guessing Batteroo's invisible manufacturing and distribution processes and getting it wrong has nothing to do with the product itself.

Yes, some people thought it was an outright scam ... and they were wrong.  Congratulations.  You can jump on their heads about that.

Let's just check out the product itself.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #7449 on: December 21, 2016, 12:48:32 am »
That was more than enough effort for that clip.
 


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