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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8825 on: July 13, 2017, 01:58:10 am »
That is absolutely incorrect.
They have three AA batteries in each D smart shell vs a D battery. If I just use Energizer specs that is 3 X 2300mAH for each Smart Shell vs 2500mAH for each Energizer D battery. So the run time with their Smart Shells has to be longer.  Probably around two times longer run time even with boost. Yes/No?
So you got banned for being a shill, created a new account with the word "anus" in it just to be a rebel (or something) and you still can't work out how to use the quote system!!! 
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I didn't even ban him, he created another account off his own bat.

For the record, here you go, the Batteroo Shill works at an SK Telecom office, likely down the corridor from our mate Dr Bob. Please say Hi to him for us.

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8826 on: July 13, 2017, 02:10:32 am »
Yes, there is an off the shelf 3AA to D adapter, but the light will not be brighter so ?

For ordinary incandescent bulbs, brighter = shorter bulb life, most often drastically shorter life.
And this is the one huge headline product application and benefit you are promoting?  :-DD
And it would likely cost the same or less to simply buy a new LED torch then a couple of Reboosts. And the new torch gives the same or greater light output and infinite LED bulb life, and has the regulalor circuitry built in. Your claimed benefit can't get more niche than that really.
But granted, the new ReBoost is at least more useful than the previous Batteriser.

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There is some usefulness to this. Instead of just constantly berating products how about trying to find uses for it? You know, something that may help some people. And not everyone is into tech, so think non-nerd too. And also not everyone has new flashlights (LED), some people keep things around until they are completely useless as in no longer able to function as intended, no more replacement parts etc.

Sure a small niche market. But that's really going to be a crap return on investment for Batteroo's investors.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8827 on: July 13, 2017, 02:15:42 am »
That is absolutely incorrect.
They have three AA batteries in each D smart shell vs a D battery. If I just use Energizer specs that is 3 X 2300mAH for each Smart Shell vs 2500mAH for each Energizer D battery. So the run time with their Smart Shells has to be longer.  Probably around two times longer run time even with boost. Yes/No?
So you got banned for being a shill, created a new account with the word "anus" in it just to be a rebel (or something) and you still can't work out how to use the quote system!!! 
 :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:

I didn't even ban him, he created another account off his own bat.

For the record, here you go, the Batteroo Shill works at an SK Telecom office, likely down the corridor from our mate Dr Bob. Please say Hi to him for us.



Lol that's even worse! Creating obvious shill accounts to troll should get a banning!
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8828 on: July 13, 2017, 02:52:36 am »
Being a shill is a pretty lame pastime in itself, but trying to fly unadulterated bullshit past this forum's membership appears, quite simply, as sheer stupidity (sorry, I cannot think of a more politically correct term).

Marketing hype just doesn't work here - and, in fact, has the opposite effect to the intent. Throw out 3 bullshit claims alongside 3 real, verifiable and useful claims ... and the noise over the bullshit is going to drown out any voices that might recognise a real feature that would be useful in some applications, however niche they may be.  Unfortunately, this is all too common.  It's happened in this thread before and will no doubt happen again.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8829 on: July 13, 2017, 02:54:53 am »


That's not a digital fingerprint - that's almost a digital mug shot!
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8830 on: July 13, 2017, 03:39:01 am »
They have three AA batteries in each D smart shell vs a D battery. If I just use Energizer specs that is 3 X 2300mAH for each Smart Shell vs 2500mAH for each Energizer D battery. So the run time with their Smart Shells has to be longer.  Probably around two times longer run time even with boost. Yes/No?

Yes but like just about every other Batteroo argument it only works 'if'. If you choose to compare crappy 2500mAh NiMh D cells Energizer obviously make more out of fresh air than NiMh. Real NiMh D cells specify capacities between 8000 and 11000 mAh.

A smart person would question (and find out) why a cell large enough to contain 3 AA cells only has 9% more capacity than a single AA cell, but then, we know you are not one.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8831 on: July 13, 2017, 08:14:04 am »
Think i will go back to warming batteries up in the oven for a bit ;-0

Yes i used to do this as a child lol
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8832 on: July 13, 2017, 09:54:22 am »
That is absolutely incorrect.
They have three AA batteries in each D smart shell vs a D battery. If I just use Energizer specs that is 3 X 2300mAH for each Smart Shell vs 2500mAH for each Energizer D battery. So the run time with their Smart Shells has to be longer.  Probably around two times longer run time even with boost. Yes/No?

If a 2500mAh NiMH D cell is your reference you should use 500mAh NiMH AAs to match the crappiness. BTW, how much do the three 2300mAH NiMH AAs plus Smart Shell cost? An how much is the 2500mAh NiMH D cell?
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8833 on: July 13, 2017, 11:55:37 am »
It looks like Energizer has sold some 2500mAH NiMH D cells in packs of two. I gather these are very light-weight and have a 2500mAHSub-C cell NiMH battery inside. It is mostly air.

So yes, if you are stupid enough to buy a fake D cell that is really a sub-C cell, then 3xAA batteries have more energy. Batteroo supporters may well be that stupid.

But if you get a genuine D cell battery, the D cell demolishes the 3xAA cells for energy.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8834 on: July 13, 2017, 12:05:49 pm »
So yes, if you are stupid enough to buy a fake D cell

We prefer the term 'price adjusted'.

We have to cater to a wide range of purchasers.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8835 on: July 13, 2017, 12:28:22 pm »
So yes, if you are stupid enough to buy a fake D cell

We prefer the term 'price adjusted'.

We have to cater to a wide range of purchasers.
The weird thing is they are not cheap batteries. $16 for a pair at DigiKey:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/energizer-battery-company/NH50BP-2/N701-ND/1040725
http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/nh50-2500.pdf

You can get 10,000mAH D NiMH Cells for the same price.

The weight of the Energizer fake D cells is 73g.  Real D cell batteries are between 160g and 180g. At 2A out, a real 10,000 mAH D cell NiMH can last 5 hours. This Energizer can last just a little over 1 hour.

You can get at least 13,000mAH D cells - 5 times the capacity of the Energizer, and double the capacity of the Batteroo + 3xAA.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8836 on: July 13, 2017, 12:32:44 pm »
Looks like the 2500mAh D-cell is just a AA cell repackaged in a D-cell shell
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8837 on: July 13, 2017, 12:36:36 pm »
Looks like the 2500mAh D-cell is just a AA cell repackaged in a D-cell shell
As I said, I understand it is a sub-C cell in a D cell holder.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8838 on: July 13, 2017, 02:27:26 pm »
So yes, if you are stupid enough to buy a fake D cell

We prefer the term 'price adjusted'.

We have to cater to a wide range of purchasers.

I thought you worked in Engineering, but now I see you actually work in Sales and Marketing :D

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8840 on: July 18, 2017, 11:53:43 am »
Their Kickstarter counter reached zero, but instead of starting they have a mailing list to get announced when it goes live.
https://www.batterooreboost.com/
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8841 on: July 18, 2017, 12:14:31 pm »
"News provided by Batteroo Inc"  :-DD

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/batteroo-kickstarts-rechargeable-batteries-crowdfunding-campaign-for-reboost-smartshell-and-smartsleeve-300485817.html

Perhaps those still waiting on the indiegogo deliveries would like to contact the name on the press release, to get both sides of the "story"?
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8842 on: July 18, 2017, 08:11:17 pm »
Looks like they may have had some trouble with KickStarter, Oh well back to IGG. :-DD
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8843 on: July 18, 2017, 08:27:21 pm »
Long time lurker first time poster.

With these new ReBoost sleeves what happens if you try to charge the battery with the sleeve on?  I have a Logitech mouse that says rechargeable 1.2 volts only for the battery and it will charge the battery when plugged into a USB port on the computer.

Couldn’t find the answer and I am not familiar enough with electronics for this thought experiment.

As a side note I have no plans to buy the product.  I would just buy some more rechargeable batteries and get more use out of those.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8844 on: July 18, 2017, 08:49:24 pm »

With these new ReBoost sleeves what happens if you try to charge the battery with the sleeve on?  I have a Logitech mouse that says rechargeable 1.2 volts only for the battery and it will charge the battery when plugged into a USB port on the computer.


The battery would not charge, other than that it is hard to say what would happen.
Either the mouse would continue happily running off the usb power source, or the magic smoke is released. My bet is the mouse would keep working.


 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8845 on: July 20, 2017, 01:53:03 pm »
Looks like they may have had some trouble with KickStarter, Oh well back to IGG. :-DD

Maybe kickstarter looked at some of this forum thread or looked at the many orders missing or not delivered, but in any case this is a fail/loss for batteroo, for what i have seen so far through the years kickstarter is better at filtering out crap and fake products, mostly, much more then seen on indiegogo so far
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8846 on: July 20, 2017, 10:09:07 pm »
Looks like they may have had some trouble with KickStarter, Oh well back to IGG. :-DD

Maybe kickstarter looked at some of this forum thread or looked at the many orders missing or not delivered, but in any case this is a fail/loss for batteroo, for what i have seen so far through the years kickstarter is better at filtering out crap and fake products, mostly, much more then seen on indiegogo so far

I know Dave was sceptical of Kickstarter booting them off but from what I've heard they are pretty active in routing out scams and copyright infringers etc as they actively try to keep their brand clean. IGG on the other hand don't care and will let you peddle any scam you like.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8847 on: July 27, 2017, 07:04:10 pm »
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Do you know that your rechargeable batteries are CONFIGURED at a lower voltage
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Seriously, they could make a bit of effort on the wording...
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8848 on: July 28, 2017, 06:41:03 am »
I know Dave was sceptical of Kickstarter booting them off but from what I've heard they are pretty active in routing out scams and copyright infringers etc as they actively try to keep their brand clean. IGG on the other hand don't care and will let you peddle any scam you like.

This is not a scam, it's just enthusiastic marketing. I can't see any grounds for KS to not allow their campaign?
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8849 on: July 28, 2017, 06:52:06 am »
Update:

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Dear Batteroo Family,

First of all we wanted to thank you for your continued support and for helping us grow as a company. We certainly could not have done this without you.  The Batteroo team is excited to announce that we will be launching  the Batteroo ReBoost for rechargeable batteries on Indiegogo Monday, July 31st at 2:00 AM PST. By participating in our crowdfunding campaign, you’ll be the first customers to receive Batteroo ReBoost Smart-Sleeves and Smart-Shells.  As a token of our appreciation for your support, you’ll also be eligible for an exclusive secret perk available only for our Indiegogo backers. 
 
Don’t miss out on this opportunity to support this innovative new product and make your rechargeable batteries compatible with many more devices, while getting peak performance. We believe that we can make this project a huge success, but we can only do it with the help of our loyal customers and supporters. Please tell all your friends and family about our upcoming campaign and sign up here to be notified when we go live on Indiegogo. Stay tuned to receive a link to our secret perk and more news about the campaign, and don’t forget to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Thank you once again for being a part of the Batteroo community!
 
Sincerly,
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