EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Marcel_X]

Another

Hmmmm.... Is he a six million dollar man?

Steve Ostyn, astronaut, a man barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. Better, stronger, faster (800%)...

[FrankBuss]

Another day, another single report of shipment notification 

Maybe they send one packet per day of the pre-production units to selected customers (who complained most on indiegogo), to keep the rest quiet and get more VC money. I guess they can do this for some weeks until they are out of stock. Someday you will get one for your $100 offer, plus ad income of the video.

[johndoe123]

One more https://twitter.com/m_sichler/status/806941655383347201

[Brumby]

One more https://twitter.com/m_sichler/status/806941655383347201

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.


Using up existing materials, no doubt.

[Brumby]

Another thing .... that is a very inefficient style of packaging for multiple units.  20% product, 10% cardboard 70% air.

Shipping 10,000 of them in that way would become excessively expensive, if space were to become a factor - such as in cubing.

[Kean]

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.
...
Using up existing materials, no doubt.

It looks like the AA packs are labelled Batterizer, and the AAA are Batteroo.

[Brumby]

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.
...
Using up existing materials, no doubt.

It looks like the AA packs are labelled Batterizer, and the AAA are Batteroo.

It would seem reasonable to expect them to have the AA sleeves ready to be the first cab off the rank - so having some packaging already printed before the Energizer case was sorted is not hard to believe.

[Kean]

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.
...
Using up existing materials, no doubt.

It looks like the AA packs are labelled Batterizer, and the AAA are Batteroo.

It would seem reasonable to expect them to have the AA sleeves ready to be the first cab off the rank - so having some packaging already printed before the Energizer case was sorted is not hard to believe.

Exactly!

[Muttley Snickers]

They openly declared on one of their pages that a figure of one million dollars was their objective and they never got it, in addition and again it’s been mentioned before that the actual number of true backers is questionable as there were many instances of the same name at different times committing to small orders perhaps to give a false indication of popularity and potentially suck others in, I had intentions of saving the full list of backers but got to a bit over 300 pages and then gave up, I managed to save a few somewhere on the other computer probably in a folder labelled as fiction.   

[Brumby]

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.
...
Using up existing materials, no doubt.

It looks like the AA packs are labelled Batterizer, and the AAA are Batteroo.

It would seem reasonable to expect them to have the AA sleeves ready to be the first cab off the rank - so having some packaging already printed before the Energizer case was sorted is not hard to believe.

Exactly!

I see your point.

Not as interesting after all.

[kalleboo]

the actual number of true backers is questionable as there were many instances of the same name at different times committing to small orders perhaps to give a false indication of popularity

If they were making fraudulent pledges why would they create multiple accounts with the *same name*?

[timb]

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.
...
Using up existing materials, no doubt.

It looks like the AA packs are labelled Batterizer, and the AAA are Batteroo.

It would seem reasonable to expect them to have the AA sleeves ready to be the first cab off the rank - so having some packaging already printed before the Energizer case was sorted is not hard to believe.

 No, it wouldn't. Nobody prints packaging in bulk months before the product begins manufacturing.

These are certainly demo prints of the original packaging. Who knows how long they've had them sitting around.

[EEVblog]

This guy on Twitter has some:

[Fungus]

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.

The 'Batteroo' ones are AAA size, must be a newer package.

Also interesting is the huge box with an empty space in the middle. It would make more sense to send two of the smaller '4-pack' boxes.

Using up existing materials, no doubt.

I'm not against that. Every bit helps.

It doesn't look god for the claims that they're now in full production though.

[Fungus]

Somebody else with an excuse not to post one to Dave?



I assume Dave offered to pay for shipping, so... 

[Muttley Snickers]

Surely there must be somebody in Germany who could assist as this fellow who responded to Dave seems pretty reasonable. I think he was in Germany anyway but I could be mistaken.

[Fungus]

Surely there must be somebody in Germany who could assist as this fellow who responded to Dave seems pretty reasonable. I think he was in Germany anyway but I could be mistaken.

Schweiz = Switzerland.

Switzerland isn't the sort of country where I'd expect somebody to worry about postage costs. 

OTOH ... it's understandable that if you just got your Batteriser after waiting over a year that you wouldn't want to give them away to strangers on the very first day.

If he's replied to Dave then I suggest everybody else not try to contact him. If anybody here lives near Brütten (Zurich) then Dave could put them in touch with each other, maybe get a couple of them. Oh, the intrigue. I wonder if Bob is reading this.

[McBryce]

I'm in Germany, if he sends some to me I'll gladly send them to Dave for free.

McBryce.

[Muttley Snickers]

I was pretty sure that Google translate said German to English whilst I was on a particular page, anyway it looks like you have it all sorted out.   

I have a large collection of Swiss army knives, don't really know why but I do.    

[McBryce]

I was pretty sure that Google translate said German to English whilst I was on a particular page, anyway it looks like you have it all sorted out.   

I have a large collection of Swiss army knives, don't really know why but I do.   

German is spoken in Switzerland (as well as French), so Google Translate would indeed have said German to English.

McBryce.

[Fungus]

I was pretty sure that Google translate said German to English whilst I was on a particular page, anyway it looks like you have it all sorted out.   

I'm sure if he visited your page it would say "English to German" ... but that doesn't mean you live in England. 

[FrankBuss]

I live in Germany, have some test equipment (RK8511 DC electronic load, HM8012 benchtop multimeter with RS232 for logging, Brymen BM257s) with which I could create some characteristics curves. I guess express shipping to Australia costs a fortune, but of course, would be the best if Dave tests it, I don't have all test equipment which you need, i.e. probes the monkey

Interesting that the guy in Switzerland got two packages, with Batteriser and Batteroo labels. This would be really interesting, if it would be both type of the units as well, the pre-production and the final version (if they have some).

[amyk]

Interesting ... two types of packaging - Batterizer and Batteroo.

The 'Batteroo' ones are AAA size, must be a newer package.

Also interesting is the huge box with an empty space in the middle. It would make more sense to send two of the smaller '4-pack' boxes.

Using up existing materials, no doubt.

I'm not against that. Every bit helps.

It doesn't look god for the claims that they're now in full production though.

The huge box is probably intended as a marketing display, with the deliberate empty spaces to create the impression that people are actually buying them.

[Fungus]

The huge box is probably intended as a marketing display, with the deliberate empty spaces to create the impression that people are actually buying them.

I wonder if it says "Batteriser" or "Batteroo" on the outside of the box.

[Fungus]

I have a large collection of Swiss army knives, don't really know why but I do.   

I've got far more Opinels than I really need (carbon steel, oh yeah!).

I'm sure everybody here has too many multimeters.