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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2016, 02:07:40 pm »
No, because my destribution license allow build it only for itself! Not for selling.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2016, 02:23:49 pm »
I can understand you well, you want that is not stolen your idea. I have but the problem that for me knowledge, technique and skill is lacking :'( .
Moreover, I think that is not "selling" here. I pay the material and working time for only one device.
And I can imagine to donate to you, even if someone else is solder for me.

But please answer my second question, is this (https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/sQYExg6e) the new one?
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2016, 02:28:04 pm »
I try tell:
Anyone can make few copies for itself.
I not allow to anybody build these devices for selling or distribution.

"I pay the material and working time for only one device." - that is also selling.

If you can't build it, try learn! It project i made for hobbyists who like build some devices by itself.

In OSHpark, yes it is.
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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #103 on: February 14, 2016, 04:05:39 pm »
"I pay the material and working time for only one device." - that is also selling.
It's like giving a beer to a good friend for his help or is it also selling for you? I don't say bring it on the market...


It project i made for hobbyists who like build some devices by itself.
And I'm a hobbyist how likes to make something with the data provided by the device.
But I'm not good at suche things like soldering, because of my shaky hands. I've been just not steady enough.

You have the opinion because I'm not good enough in dealing with the soldering iron, I may not have the hardware?
This contradicts the open source idea completely. I do not know what you want to achieve with it.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2016, 05:38:35 pm »
Please do not flood, just accept my distribution rules. It is simple.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2016, 09:34:27 pm »
This is just a hint for your clue.

You see, you are the one who killed your own project,
why would anyone be part of it?

You own it, you sell it or just let it die peacefully,
there is not much reason to contribute with you.

This gadget just faintly more than a proprietary stuff,
so you are the one who needs to decide how to treat it.

If you stick to it so hard and also want to share it with others
someway do everything by yourself.
(Arrange the mass production, retailing and selling).

OR just simply amuse yourself and few of your fellas.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2016, 09:46:52 pm »
My project alive from 2012 year, and it's not dead. :-DD :-DD

I do not see hobbyst here, it is sad for me... i see only "I CAN'T" "I WANT BUY" "MASS PRODUCTION"....
No hobbyists... almost nobody!

Guys, grab a soldering iron!  ;)

See on DMG ! He one of all users just make device to itself! One of all!
My friends in Russia build a hundred pcs. of these devices. I send it do Dave because i hope it be interested to hobbyists like me.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 09:52:19 pm by shodan@micron »
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #107 on: February 14, 2016, 09:53:42 pm »
Be happy with yourself, your attitude and few of your friends.

I will do the same with my "solder iron", what is working, even if you "do not see".
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 10:02:10 pm by osiixy »
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2016, 09:59:14 pm »
I do not see hobbyst here, it is sad for me... i see only "I CAN'T" "I WANT BUY" "MASS PRODUCTION"....
No hobbyists... almost nobody!
Okay my hobby is not make new hardware that is true, but my hobby is big data.
I'm working on projekts like loklak.org or yacy, why is using data no hobby?

And I want to contribute to you.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #109 on: February 14, 2016, 10:02:09 pm »
Okay my hobby is not make new hardware that is true
So this project is not for you. Sorry!
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #110 on: February 14, 2016, 10:05:25 pm »

Why you give yourself then the effort to create a possibility to load the data to the PC?
I do not get the idea
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #111 on: February 14, 2016, 10:08:00 pm »
I do not see hobbyst here, it is sad for me... i see only "I CAN'T" "I WANT BUY" "MASS PRODUCTION"....
No hobbyists... almost nobody!
Okay my hobby is not make new hardware that is true, but my hobby is big data.
I'm working on projekts like loklak.org or yacy, why is using data no hobby?

And I want to contribute to you.

It has been revealed: "So this project is not for you. Sorry!
" , do not worry it is not for me either and many other "inferior ones", even if I am able to assemble it.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #112 on: February 14, 2016, 10:08:49 pm »
frank_gamefreak - All who want it, already load data to PC and internet.

As example: https://xn--h1aeegel.net/index_en.html
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 10:11:53 pm by shodan@micron »
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #113 on: February 14, 2016, 10:14:23 pm »
If you think I'm not the person for your device... help me to finde a divce which i can use without you.
Noone will earn money with the data on a travel blog but I can show that japan is safe to travel.
I love Japan.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 10:16:18 pm by frank_gamefreak »
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #114 on: February 14, 2016, 10:18:04 pm »
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #115 on: February 14, 2016, 10:59:45 pm »
If you think I'm not the person for your device... help me to finde a divce which i can use without you.
Noone will earn money with the data on a travel blog but I can show that japan is safe to travel.
I love Japan.
Just measuring external count rates does not provide the complete picture, ingestion/inhalation of alpha emitters is possibly the biggest risk after an accident and very hard to measure with compact or cheap equipment.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2016, 08:04:42 am »
If you think I'm not the person for your device... help me to finde a divce which i can use without you.
Noone will earn money with the data on a travel blog but I can show that japan is safe to travel.
I love Japan.
Just measuring external count rates does not provide the complete picture, ingestion/inhalation of alpha emitters is possibly the biggest risk after an accident and very hard to measure with compact or cheap equipment.
I think some data is better than no data. I think for a guidance value the unit is good.

Try this https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1099
Your device looks like a better one.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2016, 09:50:13 am »
My device is a very dumb for monitoring a nuclear disaster.
You need BIG gaiger at minimum. Better you are need spectrometer + good(BIG) Alpha counters.

Otherwise, you will not see a large percentage of infection. Like Dave, when he try measure smoke detectors.
As example my Am-241 source emmits 28 uSv/h low energy gamma and 1 million particles at 1cm^2 per minute via Alpha.

But for measure it with Alpha counter you need move radiation source closer to device and open sensor. Like as picture.
Spectrometer can detect contamination with very long distance.

Besides, I told you before, any distribution fee it is deny! Only I have the right to do so. But now i no have time for it.

« Last Edit: February 15, 2016, 09:58:19 am by shodan@micron »
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2016, 10:42:38 pm »

Besides, I told you before, any distribution fee it is deny! Only I have the right to do so. But now i no have time for it.


Sounds like microsoft for me... not like open hardware.
Sorry that is my opinion.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #119 on: February 15, 2016, 10:50:57 pm »
This is open, but i deny distribution by fee.
It is my right, and I use it.
As I say to you yesterday... this project not for you.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2016, 10:53:53 pm »

Besides, I told you before, any distribution fee it is deny! Only I have the right to do so. But now i no have time for it.


Sounds like microsoft for me... not like open hardware.
Sorry that is my opinion.

Exactly, with just a little difference: other owners of successful proprietary stuff take the effort to reach  the goal by themselves,
when they have decided that they do not want to share their goods for real. That is viable way of thinking and who thinks it seriously
can do it seriously.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2016, 10:56:21 pm »
This is open, but i deny distribution by fee.
It is my right, and I use it.
As I say to you yesterday... this project not for you.

FREEMIUM
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2016, 11:01:27 pm »
FREEMIUM
You are wrong!

Source code and hardware is open!
I no longer receive a license fee and provided keygen and all sources to public!
I only get stats about count of assembled devices.

Any hobbyst can use my source, but he(or some else) can't get fee on any reason. It is open for my opinion!

Open it don't mean - any can get fee on my project.

That means yours flood is fail. :-DD :-DD :-DD


I like when people learns, do some device by hands, I respect that!

But when someone complains that he lacks experience to do make some OPEN hardware what he wants. I hate that!
If you can't do some, learn it! This is useful!

Sorry for my opinion!
« Last Edit: February 15, 2016, 11:53:31 pm by shodan@micron »
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #123 on: February 15, 2016, 11:57:21 pm »
If you think I'm not the person for your device... help me to finde a divce which i can use without you.
Noone will earn money with the data on a travel blog but I can show that japan is safe to travel.
I love Japan.
Just measuring external count rates does not provide the complete picture, ingestion/inhalation of alpha emitters is possibly the biggest risk after an accident and very hard to measure with compact or cheap equipment.
I think some data is better than no data. I think for a guidance value the unit is good.
Suggesting an area is "safe" from incomplete data would be very dangerous.
 

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Re: EEVblog #776 - World's Smallest Digital Dosimeter
« Reply #124 on: February 16, 2016, 06:29:43 am »
FREEMIUM
You are wrong!

Source code and hardware is open!
I no longer receive a license fee and provided keygen and all sources to public!
I only get stats about count of assembled devices.

Any hobbyst can use my source, but he(or some else) can't get fee on any reason. It is open for my opinion!

Open it don't mean - any can get fee on my project.

That means yours flood is fail. :-DD :-DD :-DD


I like when people learns, do some device by hands, I respect that!

But when someone complains that he lacks experience to do make some OPEN hardware what he wants. I hate that!
If you can't do some, learn it! This is useful!

Sorry for my opinion!

It does not matter. You have the right for your opinion, and changing it as many times as you wish
(but you was the one also who complaining:
But now, all new features is must contain licensed(8$).

I got a lot of offers on the production from many different companies, but not one of them do not agree my fees 1% sale price.
Also i be forced to delete all sourcecode of firmware and PC Software in public repository. I afraid it be steal my project.

Now i provide only "compiled binary firmware".
Without license on it, work almost all features, except new.

Ah... 8$ - it is because... no one... NO ONE of all people who make my devices of many-many years, not donate just a cent for my projects.... no one ...
I think... it little fees for some features and closed source... do people little more generous in future. :)
)

I have got no intention to follow your project so deeply to learn
that you do not insist on money anymore (which is acceptable
but in this case your DIY open design hardware is a honeypot
for FREEMIUM pricing strategy, which is also OK just lets clarify definitions).

I also agree that doing hardware by yourself is a wonderful way to gain new
knowledge, I do the same, and there is nothing fancy or impossible with SMD
(but it is also a fact that not everybody has all the possibilities to get in to it,
you can be sure it does not matter how tough or repelling you are you cannot
stop others to crack your code get around your restrictive licensing.
IMHO there are already many guys who are selling your gadget but not
interested in to notify you. They help themselves and others, who are
imbecile and inferiors in your eyes, out).

Be tough like adamant you have the right!
 


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