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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2016, 04:15:05 pm »
What is the deal with the .io top level domain?

It seems nowadays that all hipsters, scam websites, bullshit KS/IGG campaigns and their ilk use this TLD.

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2016, 04:34:29 pm »
Like some other ccTLDs (.cc, .co, .fm, .ly, .to), it was assigned to a country but is available to anyone wanting to register there.
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2016, 04:44:15 pm »
That's not really my field.

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2016, 11:19:06 pm »
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A machine as this
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one cool automated farming solution.  :o :-+
it be interesting to know the water quantity in liters /gallons used in the cutting.  its not like you can recapture the used water.
all on mini tank tracks cool, no bugging in the mud.

back to the Farmbot video

as for electronics in harsh environments, the stepper motors used , water condensation on cold metal in the mornings.?
snails and bugs that may like to park on your electronic sensor units.  :-//

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The Farmbot is a solution looking for a problem. I don't think it is a scam or in need of debunking. There is no need to dig the dirt on it since it can't even do that for itself.
digging the dirt, tillage.  may need a little more umth here  :P from your Farmbot
« Last Edit: December 05, 2016, 11:39:59 pm by jonovid »
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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2016, 11:37:59 pm »
Farmbot.
Again we have two basic components - the electrical and the agricultural.

The fundamental measure of the viability of the Farmbot is primarily in the agriculture.
Not really. The farming part of this thing is as simple as it could possibly get and even though it has taken 30.000 years for humans to perfect, it's a remarkably uncomplicated procedure; poke a hole in the ground, insert seed, apply water. That's about it for the farming part and no, I'm not asking Dave to "debunk" that part.

The electrical merely plays a part in the efficiency of the agriculture - and all the electrical analysis under the sun cannot give any direct answers about that.
The electrical part is however far from certain in how it functions, how it's put together, how much work is required to actually make it a viable option to store bought veggies. What's the estimated life expectancy from the electronics, the Raspery and the Aurduino. How much electricity is required to power this thing for five years, which is the claimed investment return expectancy. This is a mere drop in the ocean of what can be brought up and discussed about this concept, for example what jonovid mentions; what about snails mucking with the mechanics, and I thought this would be an interesting topic, just like the solar roadways.

Dave is not the person I would ask to debunk this.
Therefore, Dave is precisely the person I would ask to debunk this, albeit based entirely on his take/debunking of solar roadways, which incidently is the reason I asked.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2016, 11:47:49 pm by vresiberba »
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2016, 05:15:31 am »
Farmbot.
Again we have two basic components - the electrical and the agricultural.

The fundamental measure of the viability of the Farmbot is primarily in the agriculture.
Not really. The farming part of this thing is as simple as it could possibly get and even though it has taken 30.000 years for humans to perfect, it's a remarkably uncomplicated procedure; poke a hole in the ground, insert seed, apply water. That's about it for the farming part and no, I'm not asking Dave to "debunk" that part.
That part of the process wasn't even remotely within my thinking.


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The electrical merely plays a part in the efficiency of the agriculture - and all the electrical analysis under the sun cannot give any direct answers about that.
The electrical part is however far from certain in how it functions, how it's put together, how much work is required to actually make it a viable option to store bought veggies. What's the estimated life expectancy from the electronics, the Raspery and the Aurduino. How much electricity is required to power this thing for five years, which is the claimed investment return expectancy. This is a mere drop in the ocean of what can be brought up and discussed about this concept, for example what jonovid mentions; what about snails mucking with the mechanics, and I thought this would be an interesting topic, just like the solar roadways.
The "How it functions", "How it's put together", how much electricity it consumes, how long the electronics will last are some of the key questions - and they just CAN'T be answered in general terms.  The variables are just so ..... varied and complex.

With Solar Roadways, it is FAR SIMPLER - just assume that all the unknown parameters are ideal and work on the fundamental premise.  This is something which you just simply cannot do with Farmbot.

With Solar Roadways, Dave can present a result for a best case scenario - and if the numbers don't add up for that, then a real world implementation is going to be worse.


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Dave is not the person I would ask to debunk this.
Therefore, Dave is precisely the person I would ask to debunk this, albeit based entirely on his take/debunking of solar roadways, which incidently is the reason I asked.

You might want to ask him - but I wouldn't.  There are too many NON electronic parameters involved ... and even if he DID grind out some numbers, the value of them in the overall discussion would be just one factor in the viability of such a project - and I would not expect them to hold much power to debunk.
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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2016, 03:28:21 am »
To put it simply, this project's DEBUNKABILITY as far as Dave, this forum, and the residents of this forum is concerned, is very near zero. Or at least that's what my take on it is...

This was a concept I used to think was quite a novel idea (back then it was with cylinders and PLCs and etcs) which I quickly ditched due to lack of funding and lack of practical applications.

Yes, I'm quite sure people other than me have had a ponder about this very concept, as we also do about all sorts of stuffs to be 'automated' because let's face it, Engineers are usually lazy people and yes, me included.
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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2016, 04:01:13 am »
That's not really my field.
Oh, come on, neither is solar roadways ;)

The fuck it isn't. Dave is an electrical engineer and if turning photons into electrons to stuff into the grid isn't an electrical engineering topic, what is?!
« Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 04:09:52 am by LabSpokane »
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2016, 04:04:42 am »
Jesus CHRIST!! Alright!
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2016, 05:04:47 am »
their is no need for the Blasphemy!   - vresiberba
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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2016, 05:07:59 am »
Are you guys for real ???
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2016, 05:15:55 am »
their is no need for the Blasphemy!   - vresiberba

No, but Jesus wants you to use "their" and "there" correctly.
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2016, 05:16:22 am »
Not really. The farming part of this thing is as simple as it could possibly get and even though it has taken 30.000 years for humans to perfect, it's a remarkably uncomplicated procedure; poke a hole in the ground, insert seed, apply water. That's about it for the farming part and no, I'm not asking Dave to "debunk" that part.

You just did in your next sentence.

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The electrical part is however far from certain in how it functions, how it's put together, how much work is required to actually make it a viable option to store bought veggies.

See

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What's the estimated life expectancy from the electronics, the Raspery and the Aurduino. How much electricity is required to power this thing for five years, which is the claimed investment return expectancy.

How can I do that without knowing all about agriculture?

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Dave is not the person I would ask to debunk this.
Therefore, Dave is precisely the person I would ask to debunk this

No, I'm not.
No one cares how it functions, no ones cares about how it's put together (the two things you mentioned above), they only care about the practicality and commercial viability of it.
If I only touched upon the electronics part of this in a "debunking" video I'd get (rightly) taken to task for not mentioning to practical viability of it and that the video was a waste of time.
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2016, 05:18:19 am »
I get it Dave, I get it! I'll see my self out... But, really nice and comfy environment you're promoting here *unsubscribes*
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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2016, 05:29:56 am »
I get it Dave, I get it! I'll see my self out... But, really nice and comfy environment you're promoting here *unsubscribes*

I'm so glad that you respect the honest/fair opinion of others, and don't get annoyed, if they disagree with you.
Some would be throwing their toys out of the pram at this point  ;D
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2016, 05:37:30 am »
Yep. The amount of work needed to set this thing up and constantly monitor it to see if it's working properly looks far more than the amount of work needed to just do it yourself. The main benefit would be automated watering but you don't need a CNC for that (just get an Arduino, a $5 pump and some tubing)
If the field was 50mx50m then it might be a better idea, but... it isn't!

That was pretty much my conclusion when I looked at this as part of being a judge on the Hackaday.io contest (it was an entry that made the finals).
It's kind of like a DIY Pick'n'Place machine. Kinda sounds cool, but then comes the practicality of running and maintaining it and you have to wonder how much value it adds vs just getting your boards at a large scale factory devoted to doing this, or in this case assembling (planting) by hand.

Cue the quadcopter version for larger fields...
 
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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2016, 05:39:18 am »
I get it Dave, I get it! I'll see my self out... But, really nice and comfy environment you're promoting here *unsubscribes*

What am I "promoting here"?
This is a public internet forum (in this case full of knowledgeable & practical engineers), if you can't handle people disagreeing with you then the internet is not the place for you, let alone a technical forum.
 

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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2016, 05:52:44 am »
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  ...  Some would be throwing their toys out of the pram at this point  ;D 
Bastid !! That made me laff too hard
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Re: Farmbot
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2016, 06:27:33 am »
You want him to debunk farming, not electronics.
Wh... eh, no, I want him to debunk the concept, just like he debunked the concept of solar roadways. Both includes electronic engineering with a specific purpose to save money and provide a benefit for the environment.

The concept of solar roadways was completely debunkable based on the power output and return on investment compared to comparable solutions.
I knew all about those comparable solutions, it's very much in my field of understanding.
You'll notice that I didn't touch the aspects of the road surface itself, comparison to road building costs etc (even though I had some data on that).
If it was a video about comparing glass road surfaces with tar roads I would never have done a video on it, because it's not my field.

Same thing here.
To do a video on this without being a laughing stock I need knowledge of the comparable solution. I know nothing about farming.
 


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