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Offline MatCat

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2014, 05:39:30 pm »
Invisible to the customer?  I hope everyone slips up so we can all see where it is happening and put enough pressure to put an end to it so it's not happening at all.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2014, 05:45:08 pm »
Dave, are you sure you are not a frontman for the Iranian nuclear program? This may explain why the CIA fed you with faulty components

there is a new manufacturing requirement for electronic components: they all have tiny VLF receivers in them and if they detect the signal, they perform at their rated specs.  only those in the US can receive the VLF signal and so this ensures that foreigners who use our good components outside of US territory won't get the same level of performance.

go look it up!

(lol.  no, I'm not serious.)
 

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2014, 05:54:38 pm »
Dave, are you sure you are not a frontman for the Iranian nuclear program? This may explain why the CIA fed you with faulty components

there is a new manufacturing requirement for electronic components: they all have tiny VLF receivers in them and if they detect the signal, they perform at their rated specs.  only those in the US can receive the VLF signal and so this ensures that foreigners who use our good components outside of US territory won't get the same level of performance.

go look it up!

(lol.  no, I'm not serious.)

And if you give the product a negative review then it puts you name on some sexrit list so when you go and order from element 14 it flags your name.
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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2014, 05:56:35 pm »
A mate of mine works for a small(ish) company that does avionics, both civil and military equipment. He tells me that after 9/11 it was absolutely impossible for them to get any parts (you know, 0805 resistors and stuff, not military-grade MCUs or something) from any of the large vendors(Mouser, RS, Farnell, Digikey) with delays under 4-8 weeks, for industrial-grade ICs easily half a year or even more. They would have to sign specific waivers for EVERY part they ordered. EVERY TIME they ordered. In a NATO country(germany). In the end the company restructured into a civil mother company that has a purely civil subsidiary that would run all orders and then resell the equipment to the military sister company just to circumvent the ordering scrutiny. Because german military companies are so likely to develop WMDs for the Iraq. Crazy.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2014, 06:01:44 pm »
Hi,

It is well known in the intelligence community that the uCurrent records video, phone conversations and email traffic and sends in it by satellite uplink to some covert government agencies.   :-DD

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2014, 06:08:48 pm »
I have to confess, Saddam Hussein was innocent. It was me who ordered some parts from Digikey and filled in the wmd form in a certain way.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2014, 06:14:56 pm »
What were the "innocuous parts" ?

What was the "innocuity level" (!?!?!? jaja) of the parts we are talking about ?

resistors... microcontrollers... accelerometers... mems... geiger tubes ?
« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 06:17:56 pm by opablo »
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2014, 06:19:55 pm »
The US and UK are not the only countries with secret services, China, Russia, France, Germany and Italy all have spy departments beavering away to unearth both political and industrial secrets.
 The US has always had a shoot first ask questions later policy, its just that since Geaorge Bush II was on the throne its also become a policy of shoot yourself in the foot first as well.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2014, 06:23:13 pm »
I feel so much more safe no I know Dave Jones is on a watch list...  :-DD

Dave must be really desperate for parts to order from element 14, their website sucks, so that gives me no confidence in the company.
Also I asked to be removed from there email 'spam' list, but I still receive emails, whats up with that?
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2014, 06:27:45 pm »
yeah for the us government its guilty until proven innocent.
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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2014, 06:32:25 pm »
This thread is going to hose every "Dave Jones" for the next 50 years. I can hear the thousands of NSA and CIA guys clicking the "Hose this guy checkbox" from here (Canada).
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2014, 06:35:21 pm »
What were the "innocuous parts" ?


I think RTL and DTL logic is now safe to buy for anyone in the world.

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2014, 06:45:43 pm »
worse yet: maybe you are looking for a job and you are on a secret 'no hire list'.

this was done in the 1950's in the US.  no reason to believe it can't happen again ;(

 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2014, 06:46:42 pm »
Wales is a well known hot bed of terrorists.  At least I can't even begin to guess at how many people called Dave, David, or Dafydd Jones there are in Wales.
I write software.  I'd far rather be doing something else.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2014, 06:54:30 pm »
Well, it looks like there is a David Jones that discusses building drones with a guy named  NorMohd Al Ariff Zakaria's

http://diydrones.com/profile/DavidJones883

This may trigger an interesting edge in the association graph.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 06:56:03 pm by zapta »
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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2014, 07:21:58 pm »
Hi,

It is well known in the intelligence community that the uCurrent records video, phone conversations and email traffic and sends in it by satellite uplink to some covert government agencies.   :-DD

Jay_Diddy_B

That new feature wasn't supposed to get out.  uCurrent G.O.L.D.   Government Overload Linear Dictation

Isn't it Government Overlord's Listening Device?
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2014, 07:38:57 pm »
Wales is a well known hot bed of terrorists.  At least I can't even begin to guess at how many people called Dave, David, or Dafydd Jones there are in Wales.
Yes, I believe for every Dave Jones in Wales, there is at least 10 x as many John Smith's in England. Pretty sure that will be on a terrorist database too.

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2014, 08:00:35 pm »
I live in the UK, and found Citibank blocking online payments on my account. I used to get an obscure numeric error message. After a long time, it got escalated to Level 2 (what a joke) support and they said my name was on a US Govt blacklist. I left them soon afterwards.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2014, 08:28:22 pm »
Probably you got them scared by mailing ┬ÁRuler leaking envelopes!  :P
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2014, 08:33:22 pm »
you think the us govt is bad living in australia, you should try living here.

the way those crooked fucks work, you should probably be putting osama binladen c/o al quida, and they would go right through.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2014, 08:44:08 pm »
The US and UK are not the only countries with secret services, China, Russia, France, Germany and Italy all have spy departments beavering away to unearth both political and industrial secrets.
 The US has always had a shoot first ask questions later policy, its just that since Geaorge Bush II was on the throne its also become a policy of shoot yourself in the foot first as well.

LOL, yeah. we are taking a Don Knots approached to government these days!
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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2014, 08:57:28 pm »
As a Canadian, when ordering from Digikey, I have to check a box certifying that I'm not going to export these components outside of Canada.  I'm not exactly sure what good this is going to do.  Is the simple act of checking a box going to stop the export of critical bomb-making components out of country?
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2014, 10:04:29 pm »
those that would do Bad Things(tm) wouldn't dare lie on a web-based form, would they?

how insane.  how utterly stupid and insane.
 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2014, 10:10:00 pm »
Dave, just keep an eye out for vans like this ;D

 

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Re: Element 14 Holding Orders Based On US Government Watch List!
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2014, 10:35:22 pm »
What would be crazy is if we could not buy mentos and coke due to watch lists, just picture the science at Tescos or Wallmart (but you can buy real Guns at Wallmart in some states! With amo!)

My therory...

What would be interesting to find out (well actually very dull) is how these ordering systems work for an international company like Farnell. Just think of the following situation...

Farnell/ element 14 buys 10000 resistors from vishay say..

The route to get 10 of these resistors in the post to your door is ridiculously complicated fortunately its mostly automated through computers. There must be upwards of 40 transactions and steps needed just to get these parts. I know this from talking to friend who writes e commerce software as a job. Just think of tax laws, accountancy laws, stock control, kanban, purchasing, parts availability, currency conversions, shipping and billing addresses, customs etc then I think to trade with the USA you need to put some extra steps for accountancy etc ( I am an engineer not an accountant). And the software has to talk with an old computer based stock control systems that you inherited when buying a subsidiary company, this is precisely why these large companies use "obsolete" stock control software as it would be a very complicated and expensive job to update it. I reckon it would cost Farnell upwards of 20 million pounds just to do the upgrade.

As for watch lists, given the above complexity where transactions bounce between a labarynth of computer systems I am not surprised. It just makes the customer feel that extra special ;-( not, so I totally understand why Dave was miffed when he found out as I would be.

Companies are s#*t scared of being finned by their own government that export controls become a pain in the arse even for domestic customers! I think this is going to happen more and more...

I have had experience of this kind of thing where I had to get an export licence to send a "tech support" email to Pakistan about equipment we stopped making 25 years ago. Yep.. you can contravene UK export controls by clicking send on any email where you give any technical information to the wrong company/organisation, even if they are in your own country! Just make sure you know who the end user is.

As we all now know that Osama bin larden is now dead you could use that name.





 


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