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Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use?

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Offline jancumps

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Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« on: September 27, 2013, 09:12:26 am »
How many of us purchased a PCB tool specific for hobby/non-commercial use?
Let's count hands.

Yes if you paid money.
No if you never paid money.
Do not apply if you use the software for professional use  :)
« Last Edit: September 27, 2013, 09:14:52 am by jancumps »
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 09:40:31 am »
Newp.
"This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left."
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 09:50:54 am »
So far I'm still happy with the free non profit license of Diptrace 2 layers 500 pins, thanks to Diptrace.  :-+

Before Diptrace, tried to use & learned hard Eagle for few weeks and simply gave up, maybe its just me, cause I think the interface & gui is way too unintuitive.   :-//

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 10:02:50 am »
I would purchase the Eagle Hobbyist version if the price gets better!
 

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Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 10:14:59 am »
Yes. An "Mega" UV lamp exposer.


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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 10:23:13 am »
I must have spent $100s of my pocket money on rub-down transfers and tapes.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 10:32:06 am »
pretty sure he's talking about EDAs only.
"This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left."
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 10:51:24 am »
pretty sure he's talking about EDAs only.

doh   :-[
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 11:07:16 am »
No. And as not-buisness entity i see it pointles until [if ever] i become buisness entity.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 11:15:17 am »
yes: BAE light (Linux version)
no: Eagle light (Linux version)
but: would buy Eagle Hobbyist if Eagle gets the essential features I expect from a professional PCB tool
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 11:28:40 am »
Nope. none of them seems to work even half decently on manual routing. And by half decent I'd expect something like 15 years back commericial ones.

Otoh, I have not seen pricing (or demo) of Cadstar yet.. their Free and Lite+ packages may be what I'd might like to use.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 11:38:30 am »
no on software tools
yes on hardware tools
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 12:54:12 pm »
I would purchase the Eagle Hobbyist version if the price gets better!
but have you paid for a tool?
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 01:02:30 pm »
Yes, back in the days of DOS, I bought a couple of inexpensive PCB layout tools.

Then after I started my post-retirement ham radio kit business, I bought a rather expensive simulation and PCB layout tool, Multi-Sim. Gave up on that because it kept crashing and was far too buggy to be used.

Then downloaded the free version of DIPTRACE for evaluation, really liked it and bought the 1000 pin commercial license. 

Also looked at Eagle and found it not to my liking at all. As I recall, Eagle ignored all the standard Windows practices and made you learn a new set of commands and menu layouts that would be usable just for Eagle.

DIPTRACE - unlike Eagle - follows the normal Windows conventions and I found it easy to use and priced at reasonable levels.  And, far less buggy than Multi-Sim.

 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 01:26:07 pm »
I'm currently using DipTrace (500-pin non-profit license). I could see springing for the 1000-pin commercial license someday.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2013, 03:11:54 pm »
Yes. I have bought an Altium licence. A couple of years ago they had a deal at 2750. I bit the bullet then. I pay annual subscription too.

I only use it for hobby (we have licences at work. )

You could see it as semi-work because i also use it to make boards for the books i write , but then writing books is also a hobby to me...
The number of hobby things i do with it far outweighs the other usage.
I even use altium to make mechanical drawings.
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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 03:26:24 pm »
Yes. I purchased Abacom SPlan 7.0 a while ago. As far as I'm concerned a brilliant piece of software at least for my very modest needs.

If anybody's interested: http://www.abacom-online.de/uk/html/splan.html
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2013, 06:25:43 pm »
yes, in the mid 90's I purchased a limited version (pin-count) of Ultiboard/Ulticap. Haven't used it for a while though as priorities changed.

Today it's mostly tiny stuff to glue the arduino/jeenodes to sensors/io. Schematics just sketched on paper, and the circuit build ad-hoc on a piece of breadboard.
Maybe at some point in time I'll need a custom pcb... not sure what to use then... had a look at Eagle and did not like it at all (but it will get the job done).
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2013, 07:13:49 pm »
I bought the non-profit standard license of Diptrace as my project exceeded the 500pin limit. Paid around 118€ including VAT. Very well spent money from my point of view (despite of some smaller quirks here and there).
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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2013, 05:59:28 am »
what is the point of buying it, even if you use it commercially *assuming you don't have a crew of rats?*
even then, seems like  a hard crime to prove.

what will the IRS man audit you to see if you have a licensed altium?

everything in this whole profession is expensive as hell, seems like a wise man would steal all he can steal...... especially if he wants to do RF.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2013, 07:14:15 am »
I paid for an eagle pro update.

I had a pro license from back in the days that was bought for commercial work. And I paid the latest update even though I don't have any commercial use for it.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2013, 03:15:17 pm »
So far I'm still happy with the free non profit license of Diptrace 2 layers 500 pins, thanks to Diptrace.  :-+

Before Diptrace, tried to use & learned hard Eagle for few weeks and simply gave up, maybe its just me, cause I think the interface & gui is way too unintuitive.   :-//

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2013, 07:27:16 am »
Yes, I bought a Eagle Hobbyist license.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2013, 03:26:01 pm »
No, using Eagle Free edition
Hope Altium will offer free version for makers :)
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2013, 07:30:04 pm »
Yes Eagle hobby version. I love companies that offer their products for hobbieists for a fair and affordable amount of money. I wish the micro controller compiler firms would dothis and not a time limited version since then if you have to update or bugfix in the future you,re screwed.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2013, 08:08:15 pm »
Hy.

No, i haven't purchaed a PCB tool for my hobby.

All i have seen till now are realy crippled versions of the professional versions at prices my port de monai dosen't like. Like those licenses where you only could use a couple off pins (like only 200 to 500pins or so), or you are limited by the usable PCB space (smaler than my faforite 160*100cm euro format). Only one or two sided, missing autorouter etc etc.

So i searched the internet and found those lovely tool named KiCad. It dosen't cost a cent and by now i made all my PCB designes with it. At the begining i used it only to make single sided pcb's that i also self etched. My last PCB's are mostly double sided, exported to Gerber and made for me on the other "end" of the world for a realy small price. :-)

Till now my greates hobby designed Board is a 20*20cm double sided PCB with 951 pads. It's a simple Computer made with a Atmega644p Microcontroller as it's main processor. Atachable to a TV by a SCART Connector and programmable in a simple and easy to use basic dialect. The Design is based on the work from Jörg Wolfram who invented the AVR-Chipbasic2 one- chip solution. The original can be found here http://www.jcwolfram.de/projekte/avr/chipbasic2/main.php ( only german text, sorry :-( ) I uploaded a pic of my version, so you can see the havy modded version of it.

Greetings Janaha
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2013, 09:46:46 pm »
Yes, I to bought a Eagle Hobbyist license. I found it to be  fair and affordable. I started out using Eagle, and I've tried Diptrace and Kicad but keep going back to Eagle.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2013, 09:11:06 pm »
I used to work with the free version of Eagle, but the pcb size limit is very restrictive. I moved to Kicad and I'm very happy with it, although there are a bunch of things that need to be improved.  :-+
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2013, 11:07:03 am »
Tried Eagle about three years ago and was very disappointed with the workflow. Discovered KiCad and have been using it ever since.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2013, 05:28:15 pm »
I was using Eagle, but had some problems wit it, don't remember the details, unfortunately. Then I tried KiCAD in the Open Source spirit, but I hated the multi-step process of annotation (I believe it is the name for that). Now I am using free version of Diptrace. But I am still not sure if will I buy some tool, when the DIptrace pin limit kicks in. So far it is good.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2013, 10:19:42 pm »
Am I the only person here to have bought EasyPC from Number One systems in the UK? http://www.numberone.com/

I bought the 1000 pin version a while back, and upgrade to the latest release (one comes out every year!) about every 2-3 years for around USD $100 a time.  I use it for hobby use, selling a few of the end products that result.

I think Farnell/Element14 may be offering some sort of cut-down free version of EasyPC? Not sure of the details.

I really like EasyPC (up to around V17, now). It does everything (and more) that I want in a PCB CAD package. I've never really tried anything else, so cannot compare. Like most people at the hobby level, having made the time and/or money investment in one package, I tend to stick with it!

And what's wrong with WordStar, anyway? :-// (yes, I really am that old)
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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2013, 10:27:55 pm »
We've been at approximately 25% since vote #4.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2013, 10:39:40 pm »
All I had to do was buy the boards, I had everything else I needed at home.
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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2013, 11:04:01 pm »
I've been using Eagle so far. It's a reasonably unified tool and works well on Linux, so there you go. So far my skills have been well below what I can do with the free version. Once I'll surpass that, I'll probably get the hobbyist version without much hesitation. I'd probably have bought that already if their licenses carried over to the next major version, but 5.x licenses don't work for 6.x, bummer.

At work, we use both Altium and Eagle, actually. Altium is used for the high-end stuff by the guys who know how to do high-end stuff, and Eagle is used by us software guys who just need some microcontrollers to glue things together. I do see that Altium is orders of magnitude better than Eagle. But let me tell you this: one app is not enough to make me use Windows instead of some Unix-like OS. I hear the Altium guys are cooking up a hobbyist version, let's hope they at least get i working under wine, if not under *nix proper. Otherwise I'll just stick with Eagle. Might cause me a bit more work with the hardware parts, but having *nix will make it up for the software aspects.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2013, 03:49:23 am »
Not personally but i have huge respect for the folks that do, and if i did it as more than a hobby i would too.
 

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Re: Have you purchased a PCB tool only for hobby/non-commercial use
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2013, 12:49:06 pm »
Eagle free - works for small projects.
Used to use Orcad/PSpice in the past but this was too much for DIY.
 


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