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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/v-white-teeth-whitening-360-automatic-toothbrush--2#/

Look down the page for the section called 'V-White is featured in' and you'll see a lovely EEVBlog logo:

https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_695/v1519557229/yesbrapjdmqx5yodkizw.jpg

Anyone know how to tag Dave?  I'm sure he'll find it amusing and frustrating in equal measure that Chinese scammers are seeing him as an authoritative source on dodgy electric toothbrushes.

EDIT: Imgur screenshot in case it disappears
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Use the "Let us know" link to report it to Indiegogo.
 

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Not only are these guys fraudulently making use of EEVBlog's logo (and I bet you faking the logos from the other organizations/companies as well... which should be notified and reported), but I can tell you from a dental professional standpoint that this product is complete and utter bull$#!t and will ruin your teeth. Any purported "health" device shouldn't ever be allowed to be legally imported or crowd-funded or sold like this to the end-user without proper FDA/Health testing/regulation.  :palm:

Wait... I couldn't hold myself, I had to add more. I read their full page... it is such garbage and outright lies. Basically it is a plastic mouth-guard style mould (meant to fit all people's mouths perfectly I'm sure!) connected to a vibrator!  :-+  They are lying about the "Bass" technique, more B.S. They claim you just add toothpaste, stick the it in your mouth and walk around the room enjoying your stain-infused coffee/tea which you are about to drink right after, and it whitens your teeth! Marketing B.S. galore!  :-DD  :-DD  :-DD



Oh yeah.... One more thing, you can buy various version of this piece of sh!t online for as low as $39 already on eBay right now! And they are selling it on IndieGogo for $99 ?   :-DD  :-DD SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE!!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AutoBrush-HANDS-FREE-Sonic-Electric-Toothbrush-USA-SELLER-3-4-Day-Delivery/322999273991?hash=item4b3441ca07:g:6CYAAOSwcJNaq~0y

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hands-Free-Electric-Whitening-Toothbrush-360-Brushing-Wireless-Charging-Y4V1/232634887499?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44040%26meid%3De7318531b8224249b62119bac1cdfd58%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D322999273991%26itm%3D232634887499&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851











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But it says it's 'FDA Approved' /s

I don't know why but U-shaped electric toothbrushes seem to be a popular crowdfunding item right now:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/amabrush/amabrush-worlds-first-automatic-toothbrush

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/unico-smartbrush--3
 

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How lazy does one need to be for this to look appealing?   :-\

Man, moving my arm back and forth for 2 minutes is such a chore.

Or even with existing electric toothbrushes:  Man, holding my arm up for two minutes is soooo hard. 

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But it says it's 'FDA Approved' /s

I don't know why but U-shaped electric toothbrushes seem to be a popular crowdfunding item right now:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/amabrush/amabrush-worlds-first-automatic-toothbrush

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/unico-smartbrush--3


Why?  Because Chinese manufacturers of these flaming piles of turd have recognized a market through these crowd-funding sites and know they can fleece idiots who don't know anything about dental care. Rather than ask their dentist, they figure they'll buy an over-priced vibrator (yes the hidden in plain site benefits) that is being sold at OUTRAGEOUSLY inflated prices when you can find the same trash already on eBay for under $40.

Not that price has anything to do with it... They shouldn't even be sold without proper testing/verification by approved dental associations in each jurisdiction (ADA/CDA, etc.) to prove efficacy, because as with all of these snake-oil type garbage health products they give users a false sense of security and lead them to forego more efficacious devices/products/techniques.

Just eBay search for "Electric 360 toothbrush" and see what comes up... It is a friggin' joke!  :-DD
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I guess it's kind of the same idea that the Nigerian Prince emails are full of spelling errors on purpose.  They are looking for the idiots who can't tell it's a scam, so the best place to get those is on crowdfunding sites.
 

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I guess it's kind of the same idea that the Nigerian Prince emails are full of spelling errors on purpose.  They are looking for the idiots who can't tell it's a scam, so the best place to get those is on crowdfunding sites.

Exactly. Apparently they are not going to launch a real business from this.
 

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Notice that in this eBay auction they didn't even try to hide the name on the base of the $39 device... and notice it says wireless "charing"... Is that a typo or are they saying you will fry (char) it. Freudian slip.  :-DD  At least if you are going to try and sell something "new" change the F&*king name!  :-DD  I would certainly like to know if there has been mention/review of this anywhere on EEVBlog before by Dave and what they mean by been "featured in" (unless they mean this thread bashing them is a feature).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Toothbrush-360-Deep-Brush-Whitening-Wireless-Charing-Q9Q4/162938069007?hash=item25efdda00f:g:~zsAAOSw94laomap

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2018, 12:16:28 am »
Well EEVblog name is at stake, i think you should go ahead and slap them...
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 12:21:40 am »
They are making a false claim that puts the credibility of the EEVblog name at risk.

I say go for it.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2018, 12:40:51 am »
Oh yeah.... One more thing, you can buy various version of this piece of sh!t online for as low as $39 already on eBay right now! And they are selling it on IndieGogo for $99 ?   :-DD  :-DD SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE!!!

Hmmm ... I thought exploring Alibaba, Aliexpress, Taobao or eastern world for niche stuffs, and then exploit those unaware suckers at rich worlds thru crowfunding is so yester-years.

I guess I'm moving too fast.

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 12:41:29 am »
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2018, 08:02:56 am »
It's still there this morning.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2018, 08:25:58 am »
ok, i realise the costs are infinitely lower ‘over there’, but who puts up the front money to engineer all this crap?
The plastic moulds, the custom metal parts etc and assembly, packaging etc all cost money.
So, they sell 200k of them, but there has to be a ‘stupid threshold’ where the margins are not worth pursuing.
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2018, 09:44:24 am »
Perhaps they sent one in to the EEVBlog mailbag and Dave just hasn't received or opened it yet? ;D

But seriously, who are they kidding with that collection of 'featured in' logos? Hydraulic Press Channel? They wouldn't review it, just crush it to a pancake! Petapixel and dpreview? Perhaps it takes photos of the inside of your mouth as well... :-DD
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2018, 10:08:08 am »
ok, i realise the costs are infinitely lower ‘over there’, but who puts up the front money to engineer all this crap?
The plastic moulds, the custom metal parts etc and assembly, packaging etc all cost money.
So, they sell 200k of them, but there has to be a ‘stupid threshold’ where the margins are not worth pursuing.

You can get a custom made injection mold made in China and the molding machine set up for a few hundreds bucks of NRE.
You can get a CNC workshop to do your parts for zero NRE. Many small CNC shops in China use free labor (apprentices), so the master machinist doesn't even look at your drawings hence no NRE.
For simple things like packaging (cardboard printing, manual printing, etc.), many shops in China offer no NRE for as few as a few tens to hundreds of units made.

It's likely in China, you can get a fully custom made product built for less than $1000 NRE plus your own engineering cost.

PCB prototyping is only a small tip of iceberg of China. Like PCB/PCBA, many other fields in China have extremely low or zero NRE.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2018, 10:12:22 am »
SCARY - a race to the bottom
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2018, 10:55:26 am »
Got an email from IGG, it's now under review.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2018, 10:56:18 am »
But seriously, who are they kidding with that collection of 'featured in' logos? Hydraulic Press Channel? They wouldn't review it, just crush it to a pancake! Petapixel and dpreview? Perhaps it takes photos of the inside of your mouth as well... :-DD

It's a bizarre mix, doesn't make any sense. It's not like they stole the image from somewhere, they would have made that.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2018, 11:58:25 am »
Thanks to the existence of this thread, they may be able to safely claim the product has indeed been featured on this site..
But seriously, who are they kidding with that collection of 'featured in' logos? Hydraulic Press Channel? They wouldn't review it, just crush it to a pancake! Petapixel and dpreview? Perhaps it takes photos of the inside of your mouth as well... :-DD
...which makes me think HPC has crushed one already (didn't check), and maybe the other sites are forums that also have someone started a thread on it? "Featured in" is a pretty vague phrase after all, and just by virtue of having appeared in discussion on the site, is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy...

That said, I can't believe how anyone with even the slightest bit of common sense could think something like this would even work. Biting a piece of silicone attached to a vibrator is not going to clean your teeth much if at all; and there's a reason why people use floss and toothbrushes with fine bristles.

Not to mention those pictures of an adult holding a giant dummy in his or her mouth like an idiotic gigantic baby looks, well, idiotic.
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2018, 12:47:51 pm »
My favourite thing about these is the 'You can brush your teeth in just 10 seconds!' claim.  Unico reckon you can do it in just 3 seconds.

So let's be generous and go for 10 seconds.  Can you even pick up a toothbrush, put toothpaste on it, put it in your mouth, remove it, rinse it off and put it back down again in 10 seconds?
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2018, 01:08:43 pm »
My favourite thing about these is the 'You can brush your teeth in just 10 seconds!' claim.  Unico reckon you can do it in just 3 seconds.

So let's be generous and go for 10 seconds.  Can you even pick up a toothbrush, put toothpaste on it, put it in your mouth, remove it, rinse it off and put it back down again in 10 seconds?

Unfortunately fortunately, those suckers don't have the luxury to think about that, hence so many supporters.  >:D

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2018, 04:02:31 pm »
Just for the record.  The campaign is still there and Dave's graphic is still there.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2018, 05:11:39 pm »
It's a very similar mix to the Chronos camera:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1714585446/chronos-14-high-
There must be some of those shady marketing companies that are offering to prepare the IGG campaign, that has those logos in their 'artwork folder' (without knowledge of their legitimate owners).
 
 

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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2018, 08:13:04 am »
Still not removed after both a DMCA request following their instructions, and also a report.

I have just raised a DMCA request with GoDaddy who host the Indiegogo web server.
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2018, 09:02:23 am »
Kinda doubt Ben Krasnows Applied Science and dppreview.com would also be featuring a toothbrush...maybe consider sending a notice to the others likely being ripped/damaged?
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2018, 09:17:23 am »
Still not removed after both a DMCA request following their instructions, and also a report.

I have just raised a DMCA request with GoDaddy who host the Indiegogo web server.

I am not a lawyer but it would seem that a larger entity would have registered the EEVBLOG name and logo as an official trademark by now. I understand copywrite is cheaper and easier to enforce. Trademarks are one of those things you need to actively enforce before it slips out of your control, so if you are lax now you may regret it later.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2018, 10:37:38 am »
Thanks to the existence of this thread, they may be able to safely claim the product has indeed been featured on this site..
But seriously, who are they kidding with that collection of 'featured in' logos? Hydraulic Press Channel? They wouldn't review it, just crush it to a pancake! Petapixel and dpreview? Perhaps it takes photos of the inside of your mouth as well... :-DD
...which makes me think HPC has crushed one already (didn't check), and maybe the other sites are forums that also have someone started a thread on it? "Featured in" is a pretty vague phrase after all, and just by virtue of having appeared in discussion on the site, is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy...

That said, I can't believe how anyone with even the slightest bit of common sense could think something like this would even work. Biting a piece of silicone attached to a vibrator is not going to clean your teeth much if at all; and there's a reason why people use floss and toothbrushes with fine bristles.

Not to mention those pictures of an adult holding a giant dummy in his or her mouth like an idiotic gigantic baby looks, well, idiotic.

Ive seen most of his crushing and other videos so dont think he has or at least i dont recall it at all
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2018, 11:28:13 am »
DMCA time?

This would be a trademark dispute. Copyright does not apply and a DMCA takedown notice is not the appropriate response, and should not be acted upon since this is not on copyright infringement grounds.

You need to inform IGG that the campaign us using your trademark without your authorization (even if you have not officially registered EEVBlog as a registered mark, it is still your trademark if you use and defend it).  It's not copyright, infringement, though!!
 

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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2018, 11:33:59 am »
Still not removed after both a DMCA request following their instructions, and also a report.

I have just raised a DMCA request with GoDaddy who host the Indiegogo web server.

Again, it is not a copyright issue, though IGG should act upon the illegitimate use of your trademark. 

Don't bark up the wrong tree with DMCA takedown requests, you're using the DMCA takedown procedure improperly and are theoretically opening yourself to repercussions for filing an improper takedown claim.  (Though, I suspect since said use of your trademark is inappropriate, you would likely never actually be nailed back like someone could for filing a bogus takedown against some legitimate use of a copyrighted work of some kind or a notice against something that is actually in the public domain, etc.)
 

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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2018, 11:37:23 am »
DMCA time?
This would be a trademark dispute. Copyright does not apply and a DMCA takedown notice is not the appropriate response, and should not be acted upon since this is not on copyright infringement grounds.

Why is it not Copyright?
They have used my image without permission. I created that image, I own the copyright on it.
The fact that they combined it with other images to create one larger image does not make it less of a copyright infringement, surely. They did not alter it in any way, it's a direct copy of my copyrighted image.
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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2018, 11:44:44 am »
I am not a lawyer but it would seem that a larger entity would have registered the EEVBLOG name

The EEVblog name is a Registered Trademark.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2018, 11:47:45 am »
Now that this thread exists, they are actually essentially now allowed to legitimately state that they are "mentioned on EEVblog", though using your actual logo might be a bit of a legal grey area leaning towards "extremely wrong" and true, you can probably try to bust them on that, just like you could if they tried to use a photograph you took of a beautiful coastline at sunset.... 

They now HAVE been mentioned on EEVBlog, and if someone is dumb enough to not look at what people are saying about a product, there is really no reason that someone can't say "mentioned in x y and z publications" even if all of those mentions say "this is a scam, do not buy!!"

HOWEVER, the best smasho-blamo is likely on trademark grounds rather than trying to say they stole your copyrighted image.  You want to argue that they are inferring an endorsement by your organization without authorization and demand that they cease and desist using your mark in any way, shape, or form and refrain from using your name in any way otherwise you will pursue further legal action and seek remedy in the form of damages for their misuse of your mark.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2018, 11:55:42 am »
Now that this thread exists, they are actually essentially now allowed to legitimately state that they are "mentioned on EEVblog"

I have now moved this thread to the supporters section so it's no longer public or searchable.

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HOWEVER, the best smasho-blamo is likely on trademark grounds rather than trying to say they stole your copyrighted image.  You want to argue that they are inferring an endorsement by your organization without authorization and demand that they cease and desist using your mark in any way, shape, or form and refrain from using your name in any way otherwise you will pursue further legal action and seek remedy in the form of damages for their misuse of your mark.

I have mentioned both Copyright and Trademark claims.
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2018, 12:28:03 pm »
I believe, even so, Dave might still be within DMCA limits as they are using his logo without permission.

I also do wish to mention, if I am able to post this, this is not private.
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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2018, 01:21:29 pm »
I believe, even so, Dave might still be within DMCA limits as they are using his logo without permission.
I also do wish to mention, if I am able to post this, this is not private.

It is private, you must have supporter access to post in here.

Looks like they just copied the Feature In image from this campaign:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mini-k-wireless-portable-karaoke-system#/
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2018, 02:06:02 pm »
I thought this was a paid section of the forum. Due to the fact I currently have 50 dollars to my name for myself, I unfortunately can't donate, so that's where my confusion stems from.
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2018, 02:27:33 pm »
I thought this was a paid section of the forum. Due to the fact I currently have 50 dollars to my name for myself, I unfortunately can't donate, so that's where my confusion stems from.

It's for supporters who have made a financial contribution (and Dave has given them access) or for "Super Contributors" (those with over 1000 forum posts).
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2018, 02:41:29 pm »
I thought this was a paid section of the forum. Due to the fact I currently have 50 dollars to my name for myself, I unfortunately can't donate, so that's where my confusion stems from.

Over 1000 posts automatically gets your profile upgraded to Supporter, and access here.
 


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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2018, 02:46:06 pm »
Dave, if you're going to tweet, list all the trademark holders (like dpreview, PetaPixel, etc)
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2018, 02:57:05 pm »
Aye, thanks for that, I wasn't aware.
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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2018, 07:08:44 am »
What happened?  The logos are still up there..
 

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Re: I didn't realise Dave reviewed dodgy electric toothbrushes from China?
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2018, 09:41:42 am »
What happened?  The logos are still up there..

Yep, IGG did nothing.
 

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Erm guys i am not a supporter and i can see/post on this.  :P
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Inductor, That is because it has been moved back to EEVBlog Specific, rather than being in the supporters area, Probably because it seems to be ongoing and dave would like some eyes spotting the next scams using his trademark.
 


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