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(Sorry Dave, but someone needs to call you out on a few of your recent video titles - just say what it's about!  For the love of Pete!)

I found this!  It's a "Linkbait Title Generator" - And the results are funny enough I thought even Dave might get a kick out of them.

http://www.contentrow.com/tools/link-bait-title-generator

8 unbelievable things you never knew about the eevblog
the most boring article about the eevblog you'll ever read
the rise of the eevblog and how to make it stop
the most incredible article about the eevblog you'll ever read
the eevblog die/s every minute you don't read this article
13 amazing facts about the eevblog
why you should give up sex and devote your life to the eevblog
the connection between the eevblog and sex
6 reasons to be addicted to the eevblog
12 reasons the eevblog is/are the end of the world as we know it
why you should forget everything you learned about the eevblog
10 ways the eevblog can suck the life out of you
9 reasons you can blame the recession on the eevblog
why the eevblog suck/s
8 deadly uses for the eevblog
7 things lady gaga has in common with the eevblog
guns don't kill people -- the eevblog kills people
10 ways marketers are making you addicted to the eevblog
8 things the media hasn't told you about the eevblog
101 unusual uses of the eevblog
11 ways investing in the eevblog can make you a millionaire
why the eevblog is/are destroying america
10 ways the eevblog can help you live to 100
what the government doesn't want you to know about the eevblog
8 reasons the eevblog will change the way you think about everything




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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 11:24:05 am »
(Sorry Dave, but someone needs to call you out on a few of your recent video titles - just say what it's about!  For the love of Pete!)

No, someone doesn't, because it's not true. 100% demonstrably untrue, except in your mind which seems to have a bizarre obsession with continually trolling me.
It's sad really. Seek help, there is plenty of professional psychological professionals available near you.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2017, 08:45:14 am »
He forgot:

EEVBlog Causes Cancer

and

Is EEVBlog A New Cure For Cancer?

 :palm:
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2017, 09:12:45 am »
He also forgot:
"Will the BLUE EEVblog Meter become the new standard for getting instant access to job sites?

Will Fluke pride flashers   :-DMM   be told to "move along, nothing to measure here.."   >:(
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 09:33:28 am »
It makes more sense if you change it to ->

8 unbelievable things you never knew about the Trump
the most boring article about the Trump you'll ever read
the rise of the Trump and how to make it stop
the most incredible article about the Trump you'll ever read
the Trump die/s every minute you don't read this article
13 amazing facts about the Trump
why you should give up sex and devote your life to the Trump
the connection between the Trump and sex
6 reasons to be addicted to the Trump
12 reasons the Trump is the end of the world as we know it
why you should forget everything you learned about the Trump
10 ways the Trump can suck the life out of you
9 reasons you can blame the recession on the Trump
why the Trump suck/s
8 deadly uses for the Trump
7 things lady gaga has in common with the Trump
guns don't kill people -- the Trump kills people
10 ways marketers are making you addicted to the Trump
8 things the media hasn't told you about the Trump
101 unusual uses of the Trump
11 ways investing in the Trump can make you a millionaire
why the Trump is destroying America
10 ways the Trump can help you live to 100
what the government doesn't want you to know about the Trump
8 reasons the Trump will change the way you think about everything

 ;D
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2017, 10:43:27 am »
Dang, I just got click baited on  "7 things lady gaga has in common with.."   |O

oh well, another format and re-install of Vista..   :palm:
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2017, 11:54:08 am »
No, someone doesn't, because it's not true. 100% demonstrably untrue

Then maybe it's just me? Am I totally out of the loop? I guess this is youtube's new normal and I'm all messed up?

"EEVblog #983 - A Shocking Oscilloscope Problem! "  - That's click bait if there ever was a title.

"EEVblog #984 - World's Best Dumpster Find! ($300k!)"  - totally faked -  and a few other give always other than April 1st, where you claim to "found it in the dumpster" - and people believed it too. Just saying.

"EEVblog #959 - How Much I Make On Youtube REVEALED! " 

eevRANT: Lily Drones Folds. A $45M FAIL!

Even the thumbnails are getting more and more like a pudiepie(Spelling?)











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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2017, 12:04:49 pm »
I'll agree that the "shocking oscilloscope problem" one was overblown, perhaps clickbait. I don't see the problem with the others.

At best you could argue the thumbnails are a obnoxious, but Linus did a video why they use thumbnails like that: they work.

Should Dave stoop down to that level? In my opinion he shouldn't need to but it's not my call and I couldn't care less what is in the picture as long as the content is decent. (Which has gone downhill.)
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2017, 12:10:15 pm »
"EEVblog #984 - World's Best Dumpster Find! ($300k!)"  - totally faked -  and a few other give aways where you claim to "found it in the dumpster" - and people believed it too. Just saying.

My understanding is that it was an April 1st fools day gag. So it would be unfair to claim an April 1st fools gag is "fake", since that is the whole idea. I.e. it was an April 1st joke.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2017, 02:08:47 pm »
At best you could argue the thumbnails are a obnoxious, but Linus did a video why they use thumbnails like that: they work.


Do you also find on YT generally that obnoxious thumbnails correlate with suboptimal content quality? I wouldn't expect it to change anytime soon. Content providers seem to have worked out that trawling the shallow end of the gene pool of available YT viewers gets results.  Channels surely can't retain loyal viewers with indifferent half-baked videos, deceptive titles and misleading thumbnails. But, they don't need to so you may as well get used to it.
I don't know whether you can correlate it for every channel. You'd hope that a channel like Dave's wouldn't want to attract viewers that look at thumbnails and titles just for a few views and subscribers.

But hey, I recall Dave talking about it so he has his reasons.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2017, 08:07:55 am »
I'll agree that the "shocking oscilloscope problem" one was overblown, perhaps clickbait. I don't see the problem with the others.

I think this title is playing with the word (the problem is caused by mechanical shocks) which not everyone got :/
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2017, 09:31:20 am »
I think this title is playing with the word (the problem is caused by mechanical shocks) which not everyone got :/

Absolutely.

I believe the negative "click bait" assertion comes from excessive use of the word "shocking" all over the place.  The word seems to have survived the risk of losing it's impact from overuse - but has taken on the negative flavour.

Dave's use was, indeed, more of a journalistic play on words than it was click-bait.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2017, 06:42:38 pm »
In the spirit of being honest I thought that the shocking oscilloscope problem headline was a bit cheesy at first. But it is relevant in regards to the problem at hand, mechanical shock. It is just a word play as pointed out.
The others from the examples is just normal head lines, but by emphasizing certain keywords you have made them click bait-ish, george graves. They are relevant and is informative to what is to come.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2017, 07:40:33 pm »
Personally, I find the use of large font bright color titles splashed across the screen distasteful. I associate that with clickbait and low quality content.  I've been dissappointed to see Dave adopt it since, in general, I don't think his content falls into that category. Just my view of course.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 08:36:29 pm »
Here's the thing... a couple channels I like have gotten slightly "clickbaity", including channels like LinusTechTips and some of Dave's thumbnails are a bit... exciting too. However! I honestly couldn't care less. I'm not watching a video for the thumbnail or for the title, I'm watching it for the content. The content of LTT and Dave's videos hasn't changed in a way that I don't like, so I continue to watch their videos. As long as the title isn't blatantly *lying* about the content of the video, I couldn't care less about it or the thumbnail.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2017, 10:46:36 pm »
Puns and cheesy titles != clickbait
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2017, 11:26:53 pm »
Personally, I find the use of large font bright color titles splashed across the screen distasteful. I associate that with clickbait and low quality content.  I've been dissappointed to see Dave adopt it since, in general, I don't think his content falls into that category. Just my view of course.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 11:29:54 pm »
"EEVblog #984 - World's Best Dumpster Find! ($300k!)"  - totally faked -  and a few other give aways where you claim to "found it in the dumpster" - and people believed it too. Just saying.
My understanding is that it was an April 1st fools day gag. So it would be unfair to claim an April 1st fools gag is "fake", since that is the whole idea. I.e. it was an April 1st joke.

Bingo.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 11:31:34 pm »
I'll agree that the "shocking oscilloscope problem" one was overblown, perhaps clickbait. I don't see the problem with the others.
I think this title is playing with the word (the problem is caused by mechanical shocks) which not everyone got :/

Bingo, it's a pun. I thought it was quite clever and fun.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 11:40:53 pm »
Personally, I find the use of large font bright color titles splashed across the screen distasteful. I associate that with clickbait and low quality content.  I've been dissappointed to see Dave adopt it since, in general, I don't think his content falls into that category. Just my view of course.

Any Youtuber content producer with half a brain knows that the thumbnail makes a HUGE difference to the number of views, often double or more.
They also know that big bright bold colours work and help attract people's attention in search results, hence the common green or yellow text and big font.
They also know that an enticing title makes a huge difference in views as well.

What kind of business do people think Youtube content creators are in? Their job is to produce content and attract people to watch it. Only a fool does not put at least some effort into their thumbnails and title to achieve this. Where do you draw the line? Should we have no descriptive title at all.

Let's take the "A Shocking oscilloscope problem" title for argent's sake, that's got to be as "clickbaity" as my titles get.
The title serves four purposes:
1) It entices people to watch and see what the problem is.
2) It actually describes what the problem is (it does actually involve a physical shock response, *gasp* my title matches my material, what a shock!)
3) It a clever pun that once people see the video will hopefully chuckle and go "ok, I get it now".
4) It's descriptive of what some people might think after watching it. i.e. they might be shocked to realise such a problem exists.

If you want to call it click bait then knock yourself out. My content always delivers what the title says.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2017, 11:45:59 pm »
Personally, I find the use of large font bright color titles splashed across the screen distasteful. I associate that with clickbait and low quality content.  I've been dissappointed to see Dave adopt it since, in general, I don't think his content falls into that category. Just my view of course.

You mean like 5 years ago?



 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 11:48:59 pm »
Personally, I find the use of large font bright color titles splashed across the screen distasteful. I associate that with clickbait and low quality content.  I've been dissappointed to see Dave adopt it since, in general, I don't think his content falls into that category. Just my view of course.

You mean like 5 years ago?



Wow, what a clickbait thumbnail, I bet you didn't even mention KiCAD in the entire video! /s
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In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2017, 11:53:51 pm »
Personally, I find the use of large font bright color titles splashed across the screen distasteful. I associate that with clickbait and low quality content.  I've been dissappointed to see Dave adopt it since, in general, I don't think his content falls into that category. Just my view of course.
Any Youtuber content producer with half a brain knows that the thumbnail makes a HUGE difference to the number of views, often double or more.
They also know that big bright bold colours work and help attract people's attention in search results, hence the common green or yellow text and big font.

That's because it makes the thumbnail standout from the noise when a user scrolls through their YouTube feed. The problem comes when *everyone* starts adding bright colors and big fonts to their thumbnails. When that happens it loses effectiveness and becomes noise again.

So then you'll have to start adding boobs to the thumbnail, to make it standout. Before you know it, all YouTube thumbnails will be filled with 72pt neon fonts and hardcore pornography. It's a slippery slope man, a slippery slope. *Shakes head.*
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2017, 11:56:49 pm »
Dave,

As I said - in my case it's just personal taste  and I was not accusing you of clickbait - that was the OP.

I also understand that you do it because on average it probably attracts more views than it repels.  If I didn't already know that your content was very good, it would in my case,  lead me to avoid your videos.   I'm just voicing my view as one of your subscribers and Patreon supporters. Is that not allowed?

And BTW - I didn't mean to imply that you never did it in the past - only that it has now become very frequent.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 11:57:01 pm »
At best you could argue the thumbnails are a obnoxious, but Linus did a video why they use thumbnails like that: they work.
Do you also find on YT generally that obnoxious thumbnails correlate with suboptimal content quality? I wouldn't expect it to change anytime soon. Content providers seem to have worked out that trawling the shallow end of the gene pool of available YT viewers gets results.  Channels surely can't retain loyal viewers with indifferent half-baked videos, deceptive titles and misleading thumbnails. But, they don't need to so you may as well get used to it.
I don't know whether you can correlate it for every channel. You'd hope that a channel like Dave's wouldn't want to attract viewers that look at thumbnails and titles just for a few views and subscribers.

Let me explain why.

Half of my views come from searches, hence it is very important to stand out in search results. I have to compete with all the other videos in search results.
Colourful eye catching thumbnails work.
Good titles work.

For the other half of my views that come from my subscribers, I still have to compete with their overflowing inbox from other channels they subscribe to, and their available time.
Like every Youtuber I get less views than I have subscribers, a lot less.
Every time I make a video I am competing with my own audience for their view.
Once again, colourful eye catching thumbnails work. Good titles work.

I do this every day as a viewer of other channels that I subscribe to. When I get the email alerts I decide then and there if I am going to spend my time watching that video based on the title, the thumbnail, and the description text.

By all means call out genuine clickbait on titles and descriptions that are fraudulent, but do not blame your favourite content producer for having to fight for your attention with a well chosen thumbnail, overlay text or clever title.
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2017, 12:07:27 am »
As I said - in my case it's just personal taste  and I was not accusing you of clickbait - that was the OP.
I also understand that you do it because on average it probably attracts more views than it repels.  If I didn't already know that your content was mostly very good, it would in my case,  lead me to avoid your videos.   I'm just voicing my view as one of your subscribers and Patreon supporters. Is that not allowed?

I was just using your post as a general talking point.
I would not engage you or anyone else if it "was not allowed".
I like to think I'm one of the most engaging youtubers out there who goes to a lot of effort to listen and also goes to a lot of effort to try to explain how and why I do things when questioned.

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And BTW - I didn't mean to imply that you never did it in the past - only that it has now seems to be very frequent.

I'm less lazy now and spend more time on thumbnails, even to the point of often setting up a deliberate bench shot just for that. Or at least thinking about that when shooting the video.
Before I simply chose a thumbnail from the time, or more often than not just ran with one of the three choices Youtube gives.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2017, 12:15:30 am »
That's because it makes the thumbnail standout from the noise when a user scrolls through their YouTube feed. The problem comes when *everyone* starts adding bright colors and big fonts to their thumbnails. When that happens it loses effectiveness and becomes noise again.
So then you'll have to start adding boobs to the thumbnail, to make it standout. Before you know it, all YouTube thumbnails will be filled with 72pt neon fonts and hardcore pornography. It's a slippery slope man, a slippery slope. *Shakes head.*

Yeah I'm doing it all the time, I should stop that ::)




 

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In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2017, 12:18:49 am »
That's because it makes the thumbnail standout from the noise when a user scrolls through their YouTube feed. The problem comes when *everyone* starts adding bright colors and big fonts to their thumbnails. When that happens it loses effectiveness and becomes noise again.
So then you'll have to start adding boobs to the thumbnail, to make it standout. Before you know it, all YouTube thumbnails will be filled with 72pt neon fonts and hardcore pornography. It's a slippery slope man, a slippery slope. *Shakes head.*

Yeah I'm doing it all the time, I should stop that ::)



Needs more tits IMO. XD
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2017, 08:52:36 am »


There you go.    ;D
 
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2017, 09:34:59 am »


There you go.    ;D

You are RIGHT!
I think many men are click Baited, when the video thumbnail, shows "birds". (Chicks in US slang, I think).
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2017, 01:25:09 pm »
Personally, I find the use of large font bright color titles splashed across the screen distasteful. I associate that with clickbait and low quality content.  I've been dissappointed to see Dave adopt it since, in general, I don't think his content falls into that category. Just my view of course.
Any Youtuber content producer with half a brain knows that the thumbnail makes a HUGE difference to the number of views, often double or more.
They also know that big bright bold colours work and help attract people's attention in search results, hence the common green or yellow text and big font.

That's because it makes the thumbnail standout from the noise when a user scrolls through their YouTube feed. The problem comes when *everyone* starts adding bright colors and big fonts to their thumbnails. When that happens it loses effectiveness and becomes noise again.

So then you'll have to start adding boobs to the thumbnail, to make it standout. Before you know it, all YouTube thumbnails will be filled with 72pt neon fonts and hardcore pornography. It's a slippery slope man, a slippery slope. *Shakes head.*

@timb, don't worry, the trend loops around: https://xkcd.com/993/

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2017, 02:15:00 pm »
(Sorry Dave, but someone needs to call you out on a few of your recent video titles - just say what it's about!  For the love of Pete!)

I found this!  It's a "Linkbait Title Generator" - And the results are funny enough I thought even Dave might get a kick out of them.

http://www.contentrow.com/tools/link-bait-title-generator

8 unbelievable things you never knew about the eevblog
the most boring article about the eevblog you'll ever read
the rise of the eevblog and how to make it stop
the most incredible article about the eevblog you'll ever read
the eevblog die/s every minute you don't read this article
13 amazing facts about the eevblog
why you should give up sex and devote your life to the eevblog
the connection between the eevblog and sex
6 reasons to be addicted to the eevblog
12 reasons the eevblog is/are the end of the world as we know it
why you should forget everything you learned about the eevblog
10 ways the eevblog can suck the life out of you
9 reasons you can blame the recession on the eevblog
why the eevblog suck/s
8 deadly uses for the eevblog
7 things lady gaga has in common with the eevblog
guns don't kill people -- the eevblog kills people
10 ways marketers are making you addicted to the eevblog
8 things the media hasn't told you about the eevblog
101 unusual uses of the eevblog
11 ways investing in the eevblog can make you a millionaire
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2017, 05:51:29 pm »


(Sorry Dave, but someone needs to call you out on a few of your recent video titles - just say what it's about!  For the love of Pete!)

I found this!  It's a "Linkbait Title Generator" - And the results are funny enough I thought even Dave might get a kick out of them.

http://www.contentrow.com/tools/link-bait-title-generator

8 unbelievable things you never knew about the eevblog
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the eevblog die/s every minute you don't read this article
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2017, 06:00:15 pm »
LOL! My other half might accuse me of that already.

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2017, 08:02:55 pm »
LOL! My other half might accuse me of that already.

"why you should give up sex and devote your life to the eevblog"

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2017, 02:30:30 am »
Good keyword/title selection is a must these days, and while EEVBlog titles are slightly optimized, this is done within reason. "near-death multimeter experience" is a good example - it has the "shocking" spirit, but at the same time it reflects the content of that material. So its honest.

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2017, 09:28:34 pm »
As vinicius.jlantunes tells above, it's just a trend, it will go away, only to be replaced with something worse.
Most (90%) of my friends click first the titles with boobs, "fail" or click-bait caps on YouTube. The red overlay is just 'gilding the lilly'.
Really, there is a strong line between doing this for a hobby and for a living. Before you think that you are above this, think about all the stupid compliance documents you have to write every day at work - same thing. Everyone would wish to be above that, but you rarely can.
Also, the voice of majority is what really matters. See all the developments: Trump, Brexit, ... Being able to judge for yourself is a fringe skill, that's why [failed] crowdfunding is so successful. Just to close the circle on the recent solar panels development...
Trying to say: don't worry about the titles and thumbnails so much, think about the content. IMHO the content quality mostly went up.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2017, 11:12:30 pm »
Also, viewership engagement is a direct measure of knowledge. That's why less involved channels like ElectroBoom and AvE have a lot more subscribers, but that's the reason they also have to resort to 'giveaway to patreons' and similar stuff. On the other hand, you have TheSignalPath, w2aew and Robrenz (and many others) that have an almost insignificant subscriber count. Their approach requires knowledgeable people looking to expand on it.

Highly generalizing, but for example I would rather watch a guy that teaches me how to play piano fast and cool, rather someone that goes through all the fingerings. We can all relate to instant gratification.

As a side-note, I like the approach that Clickspring has taken: all high-quality videos available, newest stuff only for Patreons. No begging, no strong suggestions, no artificial limits. Not implying anything here, EEVBlog does not fall under that category. But a lot of other youtubers do depend on the video income. At some point, both YouTube and Patreon will dry out, the first one has started already, this will force content creators to seek new sources. wonder how that will go. Hopefully not the way of commercial TV...
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2017, 11:45:43 pm »
At some point, both YouTube and Patreon will dry out

If anyone thinks Youtube is dying out, they are wrong. Both in terms of being the video platform, and the place that advertisers want to spend their money.
The whole adpocolypse will die out, advertisers will come to their senses.
But any Youtuber who relies on either for their only income is at extremely high risk, especially the smaller channels who are just scraping by.
 

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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2017, 01:30:40 am »
Not DIE but DRY, it's a bit different. Video platforms are here to stay and they will replace traditional media. I quit watching TV 10 years ago and don't regret it. However, as advertisers become more conscientious with their 'social advertisement' spending, the revenue will decrease on average for most youtubers. Targeted advertisement is always getting stronger as a platform defines is direction.
EEVBlog is fine in that direction, is the 'undefined' video makers that are at risk.

Anecdotal story: one of my acquaintances has a furniture saleship. He has received an offer (application) for a full-time position for a facebook 'platform manager'. The supposed employee proposed to increase the subscribers and 'likes' count. This would be fine, if it ever increased the real sales ('conversion'). This however never translated into sales or even showroom visits.

Again, not arguing with the social media impact, it works, across most of the consumer/prosumer spectrum. Just saying that, blindly applying social media to anything, does not work, for now. However, the future is very near. Fidget spinners are a thing now, as were powerballs 7 years ago.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2017, 07:16:23 pm »
Also, viewership engagement is a direct measure of knowledge. That's why less involved channels like ElectroBoom and AvE have a lot more subscribers, but that's the reason they also have to resort to 'giveaway to patreons' and similar stuff. On the other hand, you have TheSignalPath, w2aew and Robrenz (and many others) that have an almost insignificant subscriber count. Their approach requires knowledgeable people looking to expand on it.

Highly generalizing, but for example I would rather watch a guy that teaches me how to play piano fast and cool, rather someone that goes through all the fingerings. We can all relate to instant gratification.

As a side-note, I like the approach that Clickspring has taken: all high-quality videos available, newest stuff only for Patreons. No begging, no strong suggestions, no artificial limits. Not implying anything here, EEVBlog does not fall under that category. But a lot of other youtubers do depend on the video income. At some point, both YouTube and Patreon will dry out, the first one has started already, this will force content creators to seek new sources. wonder how that will go. Hopefully not the way of commercial TV...

Patreon dry out? That is a bit of a wild statement, maybe you can explain why you think people will stop donating. If the person is producing content their audience enjoys it, the donations will continue to come in.
You can find examples of Patreon-ish groups that had the same idea, before patreon was a thing, and they've been running for 10+ years now.

I don't think AvE has to resort to giving anything away, plus the stuff he gives away is not worth much. He is just ridiculously popular in general. But for sure, random giveaways do increase popularity.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2017, 07:35:32 pm »



I don't think AvE has to resort to giving anything away, plus the stuff he gives away is not worth much. He is just ridiculously popular in general. But for sure, random giveaways do increase popularity.


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« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2017, 07:43:24 pm »
Sorry, I think my posts have been taken too literally.
Before Patreon there was PayPal. Without significant data I assume, from a subscriber base, more have switched to the former. People think they are getting more for their money with Patreon.
Before YouTube Red there was plain YouTube. Take a guess why the content producers on 'plain' YouTube are earning less.
All advertisement revenue works in cycles. Historically, an average platform content producer (music, TV, newspaper, internet) earned less per content viewer, as the platform matured and competition stiffened up.
Patreon is still an outlier, but as soon as corporate marketing comes into play and 'packages' are introduced, as well as competition arrives, people will decide more carefully where their money is spent. Or they will just go for a package that promises '20%+ savings' and 'fair share'.

Sorry, I may have been in this marketing whirlwind to understand that I'm making a wrong prediction. But at least I know, that in the end, people will always choose cost saving if they are promised better value. The packaged deals work as well, or even better, than bold thumbnail titles. That was the point I was trying to make. Corporations love packages as much as they love swallowing smaller businesses.


PS: regarding AvE, I was under the impression that all the promising projects are under the Patreon paywall. Like the EDM machine. ElectroBoom has the expensive giveaways only to patreons. TSP did something similar and was quite scolded. On the other side, there are always people that buy something from Amazon just for the vacation, only to return it used and in a terrible condition. The same with some viewers, they always demand more for their 'money'.
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2017, 09:37:02 pm »
Sorry, I think my posts have been taken too literally.
Before Patreon there was PayPal. Without significant data I assume, from a subscriber base, more have switched to the former. People think they are getting more for their money with Patreon.
Before YouTube Red there was plain YouTube. Take a guess why the content producers on 'plain' YouTube are earning less.
All advertisement revenue works in cycles. Historically, an average platform content producer (music, TV, newspaper, internet) earned less per content viewer, as the platform matured and competition stiffened up.
Patreon is still an outlier, but as soon as corporate marketing comes into play and 'packages' are introduced, as well as competition arrives, people will decide more carefully where their money is spent. Or they will just go for a package that promises '20%+ savings' and 'fair share'.

Sorry, I may have been in this marketing whirlwind to understand that I'm making a wrong prediction. But at least I know, that in the end, people will always choose cost saving if they are promised better value. The packaged deals work as well, or even better, than bold thumbnail titles. That was the point I was trying to make. Corporations love packages as much as they love swallowing smaller businesses.


PS: regarding AvE, I was under the impression that all the promising projects are under the Patreon paywall. Like the EDM machine. ElectroBoom has the expensive giveaways only to patreons. TSP did something similar and was quite scolded. On the other side, there are always people that buy something from Amazon just for the vacation, only to return it used and in a terrible condition. The same with some viewers, they always demand more for their 'money'.

I'm not going to disagree with your youtube comments, don't know enough about it.
But it feels like you are missing some of the point of patreon, I am pledging $1 per video, because I wan't the content creator to get $1 per video. If it was done via paypal or patreon, it doesn't matter to the creator (although patreon is more convenient). There won't be any "20% off" deal with patreon, because I chose to give $1 not 80c.

Right now, any sort of patreon exclusive content I get is quite minimal, and not polished. Most of the people I pledge to don't do anything special on there. But I can see if you think people will start to paywall more of their content. Its certainly possible, with the risk that their popularity will decrease.

For AvE, I don't think there is much content on his Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/AvE/posts
"There’s more! If you become a patron to AvE, you’ll immediately get access to as many as 14 patron-only posts."
 

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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2017, 10:02:36 pm »
I applaud any things similar to patreon that allows the viewers to directly funnel their money to the creators.
Paywalling might win in the end, or might not, if I were to bet, I would say it wouldn't. I would say it depends on whether you are addressing your own community (always a win) versus a general public (my point in the posts above).

Not sure about AvE, was just an example, but through him I found more enjoyable channels. And perhaps that's the power of YouTube. The new word is now 'influencer'.

Regarding money, there are certainly more lucrative deals, like Twitch or the other site where people donate money live. But I think that other one is triple-x rated. So patreon is a breath of fresh air, I wish it would stay this way.
I don't think, apart from YouTube, there is any other high-quality video content site available. Counting TV as well, but on the opposing side.

Regarding 1$ per video - that is fine, as long as you are supporting 10-25 channels. My 'package' and 'competition' forecast does not come into play at that point. Nor at the point where the most prolific supporters are earning 1st-world money.
 
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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2017, 02:11:14 am »
What irritates me is that Patreon charge in USD - so every $1 pledged will hit you up for $1.35 AUD (or thereabouts, depending on the exchange rate.  But what ticks me off is that I get charged a foreign currency conversion fee - to support Dave who is only 2 suburbs away from me!

It's not a lot - but it's the principle of the thing.
 

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« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2017, 07:24:27 pm »
Don't Patreon take a cut of the donations? I wouldn't give them too much applause because they are just another business making a buck.

Sure they are just another business, but they are getting more money into the creators pockets. Their fee is very reasonable:
5% patreon fee + CC processing fee + $3-20 payout fee.

This is less than you would pay selling on Ebay (10%), youtube (45%), or getting a subscription on Twitch (50% cut).
 

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Re: In light of some of the more "Click Bait" video titles....
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2017, 03:04:31 pm »
I just read all of this, I kind of assumed people who made accounts here would know some basic psychology. Oh well, shame on me. I don't mind the thumbnails or titles, they are always related and often have funny little jokes.

Keep up the good work Dave. I subscribed to you because you where making videos with content I found valuable, it was a nice bonus that you're funny.👍

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