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Life advice time - Don't easily dismiss people from your life or "lose respect" for people, or unfollow them or stop watching their content because you didn't like something they said or something they do or don't believe in. This adds no value to your life and you will miss out on so much potentially good stuff. It will also make you more susceptible to binary tribalism, group think, and ideology driven politics and movements that will make things even worse for you and for society.

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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2022, 04:10:01 am »
Yeah, I've unsubbed from a couple channels because they went all MAGA/Qanon/antivax. And no matter what anyone says it was a good decision for my mental health.

This may be applicable to trivial things, like what brand of laptops someone likes, or what OS is better. But there are so many clearly wrong opinions out there. And there is no chance that those people would contribute meaningfully to my life. And I'm not about to argue with random strangers on the internet or try to convince anyone that they are wrong.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2022, 05:18:27 am »
What kind of absurdity is that?! I unsubscribe from you! >:( ;);)

If someone consumes content from $person for years and throws all that away because of a single comment, I can’t avoid one question: why did they follow $person before that? The content did not change, so obviously neither should preferences. If they did change, then what was attracting one to $person? It sounds too much like a teenager going angry about their favourite artist changing appearance and tearing down all their posters.

ataradov: I believe that’s about single occurances, not someone going completely nuts and mentioning what you disagree with in every other video.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2022, 05:30:44 am »
It is obviously hard to comment without details of the comment that prompted that video, but my guess would be it is more of a cumulative thing. I can't imagine someone really unsubscribing because of one comment or opinion. The comment is just the last straw.

And the content does not necessarily stays the same over time, which also contributes to a desire to move on. And the opinion is just a final reason.

And it does not have to be extreme. If someone start to promote NFTs or crypto - I'm out. And I don't see how I would even give a second chance, since your stuff will no longer be shown to me. Only if the algorithm suggests something at a later date, I guess.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2022, 06:14:47 am »
This may be applicable to trivial things, like what brand of laptops someone likes, or what OS is better. But there are so many clearly wrong opinions out there. And there is no chance that those people would contribute meaningfully to my life. And I'm not about to argue with random strangers on the internet or try to convince anyone that they are wrong.

Seriously?
So if a channel you follow and get value from goes and says they suport Trump, then there is suddenly no value in their content any more?
Sorry, but this says more about your personal hatred in something than it does about objective value in content.

I'm not saying continue to support people you hate, but just don't be so rash as to easily dismiss their good stuff because of one hangup you might have.
Your attitude is exactly what I was warning against might happen in the video if you chose to go down this path.
Statistically half of all US content creators will be Trump/MAGA in some way. You aren't going to watch any of them any more because of that? More fool you.
 
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2022, 06:23:30 am »
So if a channel you follow and get value from goes and says they suport Trump, then there is suddenly no value in their content any more?
There may be value, but hopefully it is not the only place to get that value. And all else being equal, I'd rater it not be this channel.

Statistically half of all US content creators will be Trump/MAGA in some way. You aren't going to watch any of them any more because of that? More fool you.
Yes. There is a TON of content. And a lot of it is duplicate. I don't see "giving up" as a huge loss. I'm not giving up on getting the information, I'm just giving up on getting the information from that place. Me consuming that content monetarily supports the creator, and I don't care to support some of them in any way.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2022, 06:29:33 am »
One needs fun and entertainment in his life too.. Watching some discussions or topics (even here) makes fun and I like it..  :D
 
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2022, 06:36:44 am »
....And I'm not about to argue with random strangers on the internet or try to convince anyone that they are wrong.

And yet here you are on EEVblog doing just that. Argue with somewhat random strangers :-DD

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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2022, 06:45:58 am »
And yet here you are on EEVblog doing just that. Argue with somewhat random strangers :-DD
That's different. I don't mind discussing technical topics as there may be actual merits to both (or many) sides . And even then if it is not fun anymore or going nowhere - I just stop. I don't feel the need to convince anyone of anything.

There is literally no upside or reason to discuss whether slavery is good.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2022, 07:36:38 am »
I unsubscribed from a couple of channels over the last year over content. The issue is that I subscribe for one type of content and this slowly fades out into whatever sells clicks because YT pushes attention over content. What you end up with is people seeing their political and personal comments at the forefront with the content secondary.

Ergo it’s more nuanced than just keep watching. YT is actively destroying content for attention metrics.

 

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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2022, 09:16:15 am »
ITT: people who don't think their decisions are/should be political, when in fact they are.

(How's that for a thread throwback? Still not convinced? :-DD ...)

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As a rhetorical point in regards to the OPost -- turn it around: Why do things that risk losing your respect from others? Are they the sort of people who should respect you in the first place?

[I'm not invested in this thread at all, certainly not enough to watch a 10 minute video if that's any indication -- so if this was considered, a summary will suffice.]

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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2022, 09:27:57 am »
And yet here you are on EEVblog doing just that. Argue with somewhat random strangers :-DD
That's different. I don't mind discussing technical topics as there may be actual merits to both (or many) sides . And even then if it is not fun anymore or going nowhere - I just stop. I don't feel the need to convince anyone of anything.

There is literally no upside or reason to discuss whether slavery is good.

You are right, and that is one of the reasons this is is the only forum I'm active on. There are good engineers here that give proper advise and no "shit slinging" like seen on a lot of forums. A good joke once and a while and a certain amount of respect for each other.

I do have a youtube account, but that is not a forum and one of the easiest ways to share a video. The account was born out of necessity to provide information for an Aliexpress dispute in the time they did not have video upload themself's.

Also loosing interest in youtube since it is becoming more and more loud and full of nonsense, and also more of the same.

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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2022, 09:53:39 am »
This may be applicable to trivial things, like what brand of laptops someone likes, or what OS is better. But there are so many clearly wrong opinions out there. And there is no chance that those people would contribute meaningfully to my life. And I'm not about to argue with random strangers on the internet or try to convince anyone that they are wrong.

Seriously?
So if a channel you follow and get value from goes and says they suport Trump, then there is suddenly no value in their content any more?
Sorry, but this says more about your personal hatred in something than it does about objective value in content.

I'm not saying continue to support people you hate, but just don't be so rash as to easily dismiss their good stuff because of one hangup you might have.
Your attitude is exactly what I was warning against might happen in the video if you chose to go down this path.
Statistically half of all US content creators will be Trump/MAGA in some way. You aren't going to watch any of them any more because of that? More fool you.
I was going to comment exactly that. I have unsubscribed from just a few channels, but for the reasons also mentioned by bd139: content started to drift away from the original focus that attracted me in the first place. However, that is applicable to technical and personal interests - for news channels, I can tell their stances on current matters pushed me out, but I subscribed to them for a different reason altogether (I don't need deception from a news organization). But to take me to this point it needs to have a very long track record - the only time I unsubscribed for spite I returned after realizing the err of my ways.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2022, 11:53:52 am »
Statistically half of all US content creators will be Trump/MAGA in some way.

This may be my first political post (most likely my last).   
My parents were politically on two ends of the spectrum.  While I never once heard them argue over it, they certainly did laugh about it.  One of the common jokes was of course, canceling their votes.   

I was talking with my wife about WWII and the bombing of civilians.  We ended up finding some footage on YT.  While trying to locate a speech that Winston Churchill had given about it,  we watched where he visited the USA to address congress.  It was a stark reminder of how we have changed over the last 80 years and how some thing remain the same.  We are intolerant to the point of fracturing our communities and our families.   

I used to watch this young ladies channel (she no longer creates YT content) and was reminded of a video she had made on the same subject.


Feel free to pull the post as it is against the forums rules.  I will not take any offense to it. 

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2022, 03:01:06 pm »
This thread fills me with sadness.

Seriously, what do you think you achieve by no longer consuming content from a creator that just made a few comments you dislike? Not talking about their entire content deteriorating or them peddling such opinions all the time. That’s not the case discussed here.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2022, 03:30:46 pm »
This may be applicable to trivial things, like what brand of laptops someone likes, or what OS is better. But there are so many clearly wrong opinions out there. And there is no chance that those people would contribute meaningfully to my life. And I'm not about to argue with random strangers on the internet or try to convince anyone that they are wrong.

Seriously?
So if a channel you follow and get value from goes and says they suport Trump, then there is suddenly no value in their content any more?
Sorry, but this says more about your personal hatred in something than it does about objective value in content.
IMHO at some point enough is enough. When people start to deny science or do really stupid stuff, I'm out.

Someone I know is born abroad but nevertheless is involved in a right-wing local party. The plans of this party would prevent him or his family to live in certain areas of the city. And don't get him started on Covid -even though that killed one of his siblings- :palm: . Sorry, but I can't have any respect for a person that is so obviously lost in a fantasy world.
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2022, 03:32:17 pm »
Yes when someone starts spouting bollocks and shows a lack of critical thinking, you have to question the credibility of what they say in other aspects of their lives.
 
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2022, 04:22:29 pm »
I dated a girl who's mom was very religious.  I'm fine with that but was amazed how it controlled her life.  To the point of who they could associate with.   Later, a friend of mine married a lady who was also part of that same organization.  Similar story.   If you want to control someone, a good first step is isolate them.   

(and there's my one and only religious post.  last time I was banned it was in a technical thread for abuse of trolls.  :-DD)
 
 
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2022, 04:33:00 pm »
If you want to control someone, a good first step is isolate them.
 

That is not just for religion. Works for governments too :-DD Does not always work though, some people get out of prison being even bigger criminals.

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2022, 04:34:47 pm »
While I'm on a roll, one story comes to mind (well a lot of them do) but I remember when MIT pulled the plug on Walter Lewin.  At first I jumped to the conclusion that it was some child he had gotten involved with.  Nope some french lady in her 30's on the other side of the globe was able to take him out.  Both adults, I could care less what they did on-line.    Good job MIT!

https://thetech.com/2014/12/09/walterlewin-v134-n60
 
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2022, 04:56:50 pm »
Your attitude is exactly what I was warning against might happen in the video if you chose to go down this path.
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Re: Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2022, 05:04:05 pm »
I don't approve sexual harassment, or other forms of harassment, but I think society has become a bit to sensitive. (Might not be the correct way of saying it in English, but hope you get the point)

To put it absurdly you have to basically video any consensual sexual encounter to not be possibly sewed for sexual harassment, because otherwise it is she said, he said and guess who wins.

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2022, 09:23:37 pm »
As a rhetorical point in regards to the OPost -- turn it around: Why do things that risk losing your respect from others? Are they the sort of people who should respect you in the first place?
That is also a good point. I think some Youtubers even use that to their advantage by targeting to a certain group of people. IMHO Thunderfoot is a good example of a Youtuber that caters to a typical nay-saying crowd by making FUD videos that have no scientific merit at all. You can shoot holes the size of the moon into his reasoning but people still seem to love it.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2022, 09:29:43 pm »
Thunderfoot is a good example of a person who I stopped watching because I lost respect to. Not out of any particular view, but because he does not have respect for other people and talks like everyone but him is an idiot.
 

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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2022, 09:48:35 pm »
I dated a girl who's mom was very religious.  I'm fine with that but was amazed how it controlled her life.  To the point of who they could associate with.   Later, a friend of mine married a lady who was also part of that same organization.  Similar story.   If you want to control someone, a good first step is isolate them.   

(and there's my one and only religious post.  last time I was banned it was in a technical thread for abuse of trolls.  :-DD)
 

Indeed, religion serves as a collective narcissism, creating abusive, controlling, gaslighting relationships, designed to keep one on the inside, confused and passive.  Perhaps even more insidious: while using the same psychological exploits as an abusive partner, it's largely self-imposed, by the theology itself.  A reader might argue, this is pessimistic, or hyperbolic: "maybe that describes the most fanatical cults, but those are few, and mainstream religion doesn't fit that".  Perhaps, but it's also impossible to tell from the inside.  On the inside, it's "us vs. them", all against the forces of evil.

I've been fairly atheist for a long time, but this realization utterly sealed the deal for me.  In fact this is one "personal change" moment I have a citation for -- TheraminTrees on YT is a psychologist with personal and professional experience with such relationships [i.e. personal and religious], regularly putting out videos discussing aspects of this dynamic.  Unfortunately, there's not much you can do to help a person stuck in such a relationship -- it's up to them to make the escape.  Be compassionate, feed them information when you can; be there for them if/when they decide to break out -- but also, don't throw yourself into it, and indeed, if they're very vocal about their thing, and highly resistant to change -- don't waste your time, preserve your sanity.

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