Life Advice - Don't Easily Dismiss or Lose Respect for People

[pcprogrammer]

I agree if their content was originally about something else, then they started to make it political, but if it's just because they stated they support Trump, then it's a bit pathetic. There are extremes on both sides. I also admit I stopped following a creator for political reasons. They did a video about how much they supported BLM, which I leg go, then they started going on about how much they hated Trump, so I stopped listening. To be honest I don't like either sides of the US political spectrum. I wish it wish it would stay over there.

But don't you have something happening in your neck of the woods at the moment

Don't know all the ins and outs of it, but an English couple we know are not so happy with mister Johnson He does not allow me to ask him what "Boris" did because it is not his "friend" nor did he went to school with him. Have to ask what mister Johnson did. It is funny to hear him rant about it.

[fourfathom]

It is as stupid as SETI, and those people manged to get private financing.

I would be interested in learning why you think SETI is stupid.  I'm one who provided funding and used to be on the board of the SETI Institute.

[pcprogrammer]

Cancel culture doesn't work anyway. If it did that absolute fucking mental bitch Katie Hopkins would be cleaning toilets but she's grifting on another social platform than instead. If you want rid of someone you need to let them burn in front of people.

Ah you like history, because this is what they did with witches in the "dark" ages

But yes they will always look for an outlet to try and influence you. That is basically what humans do. Try to persuade others to see things their way. Same here, I'm putting out my vision and hope someone agrees with it. What others do with it is up to them. Just as it is up to me to take from this thread what I think is useful.

Be it left wing, right wing or center for that matter all that they want is for you to join them.

[ataradov]

I would be interested in learning why you think SETI is stupid.  I'm one who provided funding and used to be on the board of the SETI Institute.

Too hard to verify the results, too little real world value. Even if you receive some intermittent or a singe event, was it a real signal from space? Or a microwave heating burritos on ISS? Or a new secret spy satellite? It is going to be Wow! signal all over again. Just a breeding ground for unverifiable theories or conspiracies.

Of course if you receive a well modulated continuous signal that you can analyze, it would be great. And I would say it is worth trying for a few years. But if nothing is received in that time, then it is just a waste of time after that.

I would apply similar logic to gravitational waves, for example. I'm extremely happy that it worked out, but if they built the setup and found nothing within 5 years, I'd cut public funding after that. And this get a huge pass since it is looking for a natural phenomenon and the real question is whether you can build the equipment sensitive enough to detect them.

Searching for unknown artificial things is just too poorly defined. It is a good way to spend investor money with no possible accountability.

And as i said, it is fine to spend private money on whatever you want. Some think it is a good idea to establish Mars colonies.

[Zero999]

Cancel culture doesn't work anyway. If it did that absolute fucking mental bitch Katie Hopkins would be cleaning toilets but she's grifting on another social platform than instead. If you want rid of someone you need to let them burn in front of people.

Some of what she says is common sense. I don't agree with all of it, but her views should be represented by the mainstream media, especially the BBC. It doesn't matter how controversial they are.

I agree if their content was originally about something else, then they started to make it political, but if it's just because they stated they support Trump, then it's a bit pathetic. There are extremes on both sides. I also admit I stopped following a creator for political reasons. They did a video about how much they supported BLM, which I leg go, then they started going on about how much they hated Trump, so I stopped listening. To be honest I don't like either sides of the US political spectrum. I wish it wish it would stay over there.

But don't you have something happening in your neck of the woods at the moment

What exactly are you talking about?

The economy going down the shitter.

House prices and even rental being too high for the average person to afford.

The health system on its knees.

Women's rights being eroded.

The police prancing around in rainbow coloured crap and worrying about hate, er I mean thought, crime whilst real crimes such as burglary and child sex trafficking go unsolved.

Children being indoctrinated with extremism in school.

Don't know all the ins and outs of it, but an English couple we know are not so happy with mister Johnson He does not allow me to ask him what "Boris" did because it is not his "friend" nor did he went to school with him. Have to ask what mister Johnson did. It is funny to hear him rant about it.

He's just a distraction from the real problems. I don't give a fuck about him.

[Kim Christensen]

That's a huge pile of BS and has that self help inspirational scam vibe.

The speech is done by a clinical psychologist, whose job is to help you help yourself.
So yes, that's like saying that "Our comments here are filled with too much technical details".
JPB is also against cancel culture, so many people mark him as extreme right, while his only sin is that he is not extreme left. Listen to one of his earlier lecture, where he is much more structured, and doesn't go with these extreme swings of thought process, that is difficult to follow.
I agree with Dave, the issue with cancel culture, there is zero error for margin. People and American leftist corporations seem to put you on a blacklist after a single tweet, there is no possibility of redemption, no judge, no jury. Like Johny Depp, who become unemployed, after a certified mentally unstable person made some claims in an article. "That's it, you are done, and we are not even interested of what you have to say."

Having watched quite a few of Jordan Peterson's videos, I have come to the conclusion that he's gone off the rails. Yes, his early lecture videos are very interesting and still have value today. So they are worth watching and shouldn't be "cancelled"... He's a very eloquent speaker and explains things very well. But his later stuff is laced with paranoia, and I can no longer trust it, so I've stopped watching his stuff. Because I am not a clinical phycologist I can not discern if any parts of what he is now peddling is BS or not... So watching is actually dangerous; I don't want to be brainwashed or misinformed. He is still very convincing though.

Now if Jordan Peterson was putting out great electronics videos instead, I would have not problem still watching him because his political/phycological opinions should have no real effect on that. Plus, I'm fairly well versed in the subject, so BS would be easy to detect.

[SiliconWizard]

After reading posts in this thread, there seems to be a lot of hate with few exceptions. What's up with that?

[fourfathom]

I would be interested in learning why you think SETI is stupid.  I'm one who provided funding and used to be on the board of the SETI Institute.

Too hard to verify the results, too little real world value. Even if you receive some intermittent or a singe event, was it a real signal from space? Or a microwave heating burritos on ISS? Or a new secret spy satellite? It is going to be Wow! signal all over again. Just a breeding ground for unverifiable theories or conspiracies.

Thank you.  I wouldn't mind debating many of these points, but this isn't the place for that.

[Microdoser]

As someone said upthread, there is far far more content being made on Youtube, and the internet generally, than one person is able to consume even if they did nothing else.

You have to skip so many videos and other content for absolutely no reason, so if you find the slightest reason to not watch something or someone, well that's more valid than having no reason at all.

[nctnico]

I would be interested in learning why you think SETI is stupid.  I'm one who provided funding and used to be on the board of the SETI Institute.

Too hard to verify the results, too little real world value. Even if you receive some intermittent or a singe event, was it a real signal from space? Or a microwave heating burritos on ISS? Or a new secret spy satellite? It is going to be Wow! signal all over again. Just a breeding ground for unverifiable theories or conspiracies.

IMHO the art is to dig down to what is (f)actually there without the BS and magic woo-woo. Statistically speaking we can't be the only planet with intelligent life on it that is able to send radio signals. In turn it means that projects like SETI could provide us with clues whether or not we are not 'alone'. Ofcourse additional research will need to be done to verify the findings. I think this is worth spending some money on; maybe we can learn something and there can be technology spun off that is usefull for other purposes which would not have been developed otherwise.

[ataradov]

Statistically speaking we can't be the only planet with intelligent life on it that is able to send radio signals.

No, absolutely not. But even we are not sending significant amounts into the outer space. As soon as we have developed the radio to any appreciable degree, we came up with very efficient technology, directional antennas and stuff like that. Chances are that any other developed civilizations did the same. So, you have a very limited time from the invention of the radio and emitting megawatts to the current state.

Monitoring limited physical direction in a limited frequency range for a limited time is basically pointless. Plus we have been doing it for a while and found absolutely nothing so far. There is time to re-evaluate the approach.

As I said, I'm fine with doing that for a few years, but if nothing comes up in that time frame, then it may be better to redirect the resources some place else.

[pcprogrammer]

I would be interested in learning why you think SETI is stupid.  I'm one who provided funding and used to be on the board of the SETI Institute.

Too hard to verify the results, too little real world value. Even if you receive some intermittent or a singe event, was it a real signal from space? Or a microwave heating burritos on ISS? Or a new secret spy satellite? It is going to be Wow! signal all over again. Just a breeding ground for unverifiable theories or conspiracies.

IMHO the art is to dig down to what is (f)actually there without the BS and magic woo-woo. Statistically speaking we can't be the only planet with intelligent life on it that is able to send radio signals. In turn it means that projects like SETI could provide us with clues whether or not we are not 'alone'. Ofcourse additional research will need to be done to verify the findings. I think this is worth spending some money on; maybe we can learn something and there can be technology spun off that is usefull for other purposes which would not have been developed otherwise.

Did you read my post replying about UFO's https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/life-advice-dont-dismiss-or-lose-respect-for-people/msg4282735/#msg4282735

For as far as I know we, as a species have been listening for outer space signals for a long time and for as far as I know, have not yet encountered anything remotely intelligent. Even though the likely hood of us not being alone in this fast universe is big, the nearest, what we think of as a, habitable planet is 4.37 light year away. If there was intelligent life on it the signals they might send take 4.37 years to reach us, at least if they are strong enough to travel the distance. So I think it is safe to say there is no intelligent life capable of sending signals that we can receive on that planet.

Extending this into the further distance a signal could be so old that even if it reaches us the sending species does not even exist anymore.

Sure all this is based on our perception of physics and who knows if there is intelligence out there capable of bending space to jump within a short period of time over a fast distance and visit us and then send signals from their space ships, but would we then receive these signals when they are based on a completely unknown principle?

Another thing to consider is, do we really want "intelligent" life to visit us, if they are anything like us? Lets face it the human race does not have a great track record of being peaceful. And there are people on this planet thinking about going out in space the colonize other planets due to the fact that this one might become unlivable. On earth this has been reason enough to start wars over, so why would it be different when we go out to obtain another planet. And why would it be different for other "intelligent" life. But it could be of coarse.

And it is not just humans on this planet. Just take a good look at nature. It is cruel. And that is evolution.

[pcprogrammer]

Cancel culture doesn't work anyway. If it did that absolute fucking mental bitch Katie Hopkins would be cleaning toilets but she's grifting on another social platform than instead. If you want rid of someone you need to let them burn in front of people.

Some of what she says is common sense. I don't agree with all of it, but her views should be represented by the mainstream media, especially the BBC. It doesn't matter how controversial they are.

I agree if their content was originally about something else, then they started to make it political, but if it's just because they stated they support Trump, then it's a bit pathetic. There are extremes on both sides. I also admit I stopped following a creator for political reasons. They did a video about how much they supported BLM, which I leg go, then they started going on about how much they hated Trump, so I stopped listening. To be honest I don't like either sides of the US political spectrum. I wish it wish it would stay over there.

But don't you have something happening in your neck of the woods at the moment

What exactly are you talking about?

The economy going down the shitter.

House prices and even rental being too high for the average person to afford.

The health system on its knees.

Women's rights being eroded.

The police prancing around in rainbow coloured crap and worrying about hate, er I mean thought, crime whilst real crimes such as burglary and child sex trafficking go unsolved.

Children being indoctrinated with extremism in school.

Don't know all the ins and outs of it, but an English couple we know are not so happy with mister Johnson He does not allow me to ask him what "Boris" did because it is not his "friend" nor did he went to school with him. Have to ask what mister Johnson did. It is funny to hear him rant about it.

He's just a distraction from the real problems. I don't give a fuck about him.

I was hinting at Boris Johnson due to Trump being mentioned.

But the list you provided is global not just UK problems. And it is worry some for sure.

[fourfathom]

No, absolutely not. But even we are not sending significant amounts into the outer space. As soon as we have developed the radio to any appreciable degree, we came up with very efficient technology, directional antennas and stuff like that. Chances are that any other developed civilizations did the same. So, you have a very limited time from the invention of the radio and emitting megawatts to the current state.

Monitoring limited physical direction in a limited frequency range for a limited time is basically pointless. Plus we have been doing it for a while and found absolutely nothing so far. There is time to re-evaluate the approach.

All serious SETI researchers I have spent serious time with (Frank Drake, Jill Tartar, and many others) agree with you: We aren't going to be hearing ETI broadcast or comms radio signals, since even if they were strong enough to reach Earth they will be indistinguisable from noise.  And they most probably aren't strong enough.  Instead, we are searching for deliberate beacons.

And SETI researchers are constantly reevaluating search techniques and philosophy.  Trust me, these are serious and incredibly intelligent people.  Neither you or I are likely to come up with something they haven't already considered.

[Zero999]

Cancel culture doesn't work anyway. If it did that absolute fucking mental bitch Katie Hopkins would be cleaning toilets but she's grifting on another social platform than instead. If you want rid of someone you need to let them burn in front of people.

Some of what she says is common sense. I don't agree with all of it, but her views should be represented by the mainstream media, especially the BBC. It doesn't matter how controversial they are.

I agree if their content was originally about something else, then they started to make it political, but if it's just because they stated they support Trump, then it's a bit pathetic. There are extremes on both sides. I also admit I stopped following a creator for political reasons. They did a video about how much they supported BLM, which I leg go, then they started going on about how much they hated Trump, so I stopped listening. To be honest I don't like either sides of the US political spectrum. I wish it wish it would stay over there.

But don't you have something happening in your neck of the woods at the moment

What exactly are you talking about?

The economy going down the shitter.

House prices and even rental being too high for the average person to afford.

The health system on its knees.

Women's rights being eroded.

The police prancing around in rainbow coloured crap and worrying about hate, er I mean thought, crime whilst real crimes such as burglary and child sex trafficking go unsolved.

Children being indoctrinated with extremism in school.

Don't know all the ins and outs of it, but an English couple we know are not so happy with mister Johnson He does not allow me to ask him what "Boris" did because it is not his "friend" nor did he went to school with him. Have to ask what mister Johnson did. It is funny to hear him rant about it.

He's just a distraction from the real problems. I don't give a fuck about him.

I was hinting at Boris Johnson due to Trump being mentioned.

But the list you provided is global not just UK problems. And it is worry some for sure.

Some of it is global, but there's a lot our government could do to make things better for us.

[T3sl4co1l]

Yes, like the women who believe gender is a social construct. Well that's nice until you're in hospital being raped by a 6' 6" man who was placed on a female ward because he identifies a woman.

You can fuck straight outta here with that trans panic bullshit.

Tim

[rsjsouza]

Yes, like the women who believe gender is a social construct. Well that's nice until you're in hospital being raped by a 6' 6" man who was placed on a female ward because he identifies a woman.

You can fuck straight outta here with that trans panic bullshit.

Tim

Way to go to prove Dave's point. Let's all cancel and cast away someone that is talking about what someone else dislikes.

BTW, Zero999's is not trans panic but a fact (here, here, here and many others).

[Zero999]

Yes, like the women who believe gender is a social construct. Well that's nice until you're in hospital being raped by a 6' 6" man who was placed on a female ward because he identifies a woman.

You can fuck straight outta here with that trans panic bullshit.

Tim

Way to go to prove Dave's point. Let's all cancel and cast away someone that is talking about what someone else dislikes.

BTW, Zero999's is not trans panic but a fact (here, here, here and many others).

Who gives a fuck if someone is telling the truth? Let's cancel them because the truth hurts our feelings.

I have no problem with those who genuinely have gender dysphoria and feel they have to live as the opposite sex. I watch Franlab and that's good. The problem of men pretending to be women in order to rape them is real and the authorities need to do something about it.

[bd139]

Yep. Regarding “trans panic”, a good friend of mine is trans (post op) and she’s worried about it as well. Both from the perspective of being lumped in the same bucket as that lot and being the target of the abuse. It’s definitely a problem.

Some humans are shitty regardless of their software or hardware configuration. However I think we should just lump shitty people in the same bucket and ignore all the other bits.

[Zero999]

Yep. Regarding “trans panic”, a good friend of mine is trans (post op) and she’s worried about it as well. Both from the perspective of being lumped in the same bucket as that lot and being the target of the abuse. It’s definitely a problem.

Some humans are shitty regardless of their software or hardware configuration. However I think we should just lump shitty people in the same bucket and ignore all the other bits.

And this is the problem with cancel culture. You might dislike what someone says, but why not actually look into it before accusing them of trans panic or whatever? It's possible they're just pain wrong, or perhaps they're right, or could still be wrong, yet have based their opinions on faulty evidence?

The last two years has taught me a lot about conspiracy theories and to be more open minded. For example the lab leak was dismissed as a conspiracy, yet now it's been investigated as a legitimate possibility. There are few things I now consider to be true nutty conspiracy theories. Heck there are some things which are even endorsed by the mainstream I consider to be bullshit, gender ideology being one of them.

[T3sl4co1l]

BTW, Zero999's is not trans panic but a fact (here, here, here and many others).

See, it's not that those people are doing that.  It's the way you are describing it.

I will show you the correct way to describe it:

Rapists are criminals.

Doesn't matter if they're trans or cis, straight or gay.  Anyone can be a criminal.  Not all trans people are criminals.

No, that wasn't precisely said.  It's implied.  It's implied by repeating the lie so often it gets lodged into your mind as a given truth.

And if you were really concerned about people being raped in prison, surely you would be screaming from the hills about this and this and this?

And you can fuck right outta here with this shit,

Way to go to prove Dave's point. Let's all cancel and cast away someone that is talking about what someone else dislikes.

I have enough respect for people here, to call attention to something, and allow them to correct the wrong.

You're the only one jumping to "cancel culture".

Tim

[Nominal Animal]

Well, the US military seems to disagree, but I'm sure you know better.  Your Opinion, after all, has drawn itself.

US military are exactly the people I don't want to have anywhere close to this. It is just another way for them to waste money. But it looks like they will be doing it anyway, so there is that. All we have to do is wait until they show us proof of UFOs.

I'm actually more interested in the phenomena on the basic research level.  Just like say LHC at Cern, or the International Space Station, there is research I think we should do to just find out things, regardless of whether they lead to useful science.  I'm not really interested in the results; I'm really interested in the research.  As in, I'd love to be the systems integrator and developer for the camera devices, and work with people who have all sorts of kooky ideas about what the phenomena itself might be.  I'm sure the side effects of the research would be more beneficial than the research target itself, as that tends to be the case with this kind of basic research.

Nevertheless, to circle back to the topic at hand, even though we disagree (rather often), and I might dismiss your opinion regarding some particular subject, I will not dismiss your other opinions nor lose respect for you (although it is difficult to exactly define what that respect means; in this context, it just means I will read your posts with positive interest, and do look forward to more).  I do not find disagreement necessarily a negative thing at all.  (And when the reasons for those opinions are discussed also, I find it a clearly positive thing.)

However, I would bet a beverage of your choice that at minimum one member, and likely more than one, reading this thread have "downgraded" their opinion of my output simply because of the topics I brought up here.  Which is kind of my point –– and perhaps also Dave's, I guess.  You can disagree, and even consider some opinions completely silly and bonkers, and still positively and mutually beneficially interact with the person.  Exclusion is not necessary, and it is not nearly as often useful as people seem to think.  It gets ugly and damaging when tribalism aspects creep in.

What one watches at Youtube is a bit more complex, though, because the interaction is often one-way.  For myself, there are many completely secondary details that affect me way, way more than the opinions of the presenter.  Like the fact that I don't like watching a talking head at all.

[Nominal Animal]

Edit: just realized UFO's don't have to be alien and therefore might not show up in outer space. But then it just another man (sorry women, it is just the standard expression) made object and not really that interesting

No, there are actually quite a few possible natural candidates, like ball lightning (some kind of self-contained plasma phenomena).

A particularly interesting one would be to catalog all the visual effects caused by insects.  These often fly relatively close to the camera, quite fast, and the visual signature can be difficult to classify.  (In some cases, they can even have relatively sharp edges, making it difficult to show that it is a small object close to the camera and not a large object far away.  There is even a "rod" community, believing that such images are not caused by insects, but by "impossibly fast" extraterrestrial exploration devices or something...)

Since multiple cameras with overlapping fields of view (fisheye lenses with full sky coverage) can triangulate all objects except those that are too close (to a single camera), it would be rather easy to distinguish these cases, by the simple fact that they are too close to be triangulated.  You cannot do that with a single camera, and it can be difficult with two cameras (depending on the location and orientation of the insect), but with three (cameras in a triangle), it becomes much simpler.

Similarly, combining multiple full-sky visual and infrared images could be very useful for meteor and meteoroid tracking.  It might even be useful for atmospheric research (if simultaneous local temperature, wind speed, etc. information is available).

It does annoy me a bit that people immediately jump to "so you're looking for aliens".  No, it's much more than that; that's just a side effect, and more likely would result in excluding extraterrestrial craft than anything else.  But really, it is just basic research about our environment.

[ataradov]

I'm actually more interested in the phenomena on the basic research level.

Me too. I don't dismiss the idea entirely. But I can't imagine actual methodology. We have cameras, there is no need to develop them. That's actually the whole issue. As our cameras get better, the fewer UFOs we observe. Same with Yeti/Bigfoot. Once cameras became very good and virtually everyone has one, sightings dropped quite a bit.

So, instead of low level details, I'd like to see a high level plan and study actual feasibility.

For example, since it seems like a lot of UFO footage comes from military/airforce, it would be nice if they replaced their 80s quality cameras with something from the last decade. But that's not going to happen. Or rather it is likely it has happened, but we won't see any of that footage for decades. So, equipping commercial aircraft may be the next best thing, but airlines won't do that, too much of a hassle.

Otherwise, what else do you do? Cover the whole earth with 8K trail cameras?

[rsjsouza]

blah blah blah

Nice move; putting words on my mouth despite I have a lot of respect for your technical contributions, I am not playing your rhetorical game.

BTW, I am not going anywhere with this s***, so live with that.