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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2017, 10:01:20 am »
Time for a microsoft and google merger, that way we only have one company to be frustrated with ;)
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2017, 10:25:19 am »
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2017, 10:33:40 am »


Quote from: evb149 on Today at 03:24:14I don't disagree with regard to monopolies but what you say about taking control is fine if you're just running a site with a few hundred or so members downloading or streaming the odd few videos per day. However, with the popularity of Dave's sites, just maintaining such a site would be a full time job for at least one someone, let alone the cost of other resources such as bandwidth etc etc. For all its faults, and I have little time for the way they react in circumstances like these, Youtube does at least allow a creator to just concentrate on content creation leaving the rest of the hassle of publishing to them.

I would think that technical side of running such a site is not that big a problem as delivering video content globally anyway needs to be outsourced to someone with local servers around the world. Try Akamai or someone like that. Selling ads is where the hassle is but given Dave's large and focused audience I would think it is possible to cover hosting costs.
 

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2017, 10:42:20 am »
maybe the deep state did think this is our Pine Gap global surveillance satellite ground station dish!  :o
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2017, 10:48:20 am »
The eevblog went full pewdipie  :-DD  :scared:

No but really - why so much youtube drama?  Fix it, and then let us know.  If it's gone for ever, then make a video.

EDIT - I see it's back.  By that thumbnail you'd think the world was ending.  Can we please stop it with all the youtube BS click bait people?

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2017, 10:50:13 am »
This is the problem. As organisations get too big, their customer service implodes under their own weight. Their "Your call is important to us" websites and phone service are often  useless as udders on a bull :horse:. All you want to do it speak to a human.

I remember appalling service from Atmel. I tried everything to find a human with an email to contact for an urgent problem, but to no avail. Atmel ignored all correspondence relating to a problem they created with the supply of touch switch IC's for a major product design. As a result, I dumped Atmel in favour of Microchip in multiple product designs. Lower cost, better service, and better supply reliability. Now Microchip has bought Atmel, maybe the people at Atmel can learn Customer Service 101.

But with Youtube, Dave has no alternative. Maybe Youtube are simply too big for their own good. Hopefully Dave will be able to speak to a human - poof or no poof.
 

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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2017, 11:13:59 am »
It's not just the size of the company, it's the modern age where talking bullshit or not taking at all is accepted and morals are put aside in favour of following the letter of the law or the lack of it. Here in the UK where you could once talk to trading standards you no can't you have to speak to a charity the government "employ" to give you a shoulder to cry on and if you make a good enough case and know the law yourself you could get them to pass your compaint onto trading standards. the other day when I rang up I had to spell the law out to him and he had to check with someone before coming back on the phone and assurting me that trading standards woul;d be informed, whereupon I get a pathetic template letter from tading standards explaining that if only enough people jumped through the hopes of complaining about law breaking they would take action. That is all legal requirement stuff so when it comes to good old customer service, forget it, you want that part cheap ? well say good buy to custumer service.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2017, 11:23:05 am »
But with Youtube, Dave has no alternative. Maybe Youtube are simply too big for their own good. Hopefully Dave will be able to speak to a human - poof or no poof.

He said in the video he knows a human at Youtube. I guess you can contact humans, if the ad income from the channel is higher than the required cost for the human support, otherwise you are screwed.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2017, 11:25:38 am »
But with Youtube, Dave has no alternative. Maybe Youtube are simply too big for their own good. Hopefully Dave will be able to speak to a human - poof or no poof.

He said in the video he knows a human at Youtube. I guess you can contact humans, if the ad income from the channel is higher than the required cost for the human support, otherwise you are screwed.

Quite, the ultimate in cost saving. Customer support should be like insurance, you provide a decent service so that few people need support and from a certain amount of your revenue you fund customer support to help anyone that needs it genuinely. In youtubes case anyone could be the next viral blogger that makes them as much money as the blogger if not more. But in huge companies things happen so slowly good or bad that they don't see it until it is too late.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2017, 11:40:09 am »
As I said in the previous ban - YouTube is a monopoly that can not be allowed to continue.

We can not let one single company be in control of the majority of video data on the planet.

The solution is not encouraging competitor companies either. What we can do however is for the users to implement their own cloud with their own servers. The most viable approach so far seems to be GNU MediaGoblin. It lets you automatically federate content among multiple users. It is brilliant and I wish more people knew about it.
 
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2017, 11:42:45 am »
The problem is youtube offers a non technical solution, you need to offer similarly attractive solutions. The other problem is the myth that all this stuff is for free, it is not. The advertisers just add the costs to the products we buy. It would be easier if there was a system where you just pay for the content you want and that would be easier on larger platforms than everyone on their own.
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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2017, 12:46:52 pm »
I agree, but the non-technical solution needs to be pioneered, and there is nobody better suited to do that than technical people.

There is a misconception that the solution is technical. Not true. The technical aspects are already being done by Open Source programming folk, to whom we are all in debt. The problem is one of awareness and changing the existing habits. We can get rid of all this nonsense by just doing things a bit differently.


I too agree that this is not free. The content creator needs to at least rent a server. However several content creators could pool their resources or federate their servers. Also the options for ad revenue and other types of monetization are still available.

Last but not least the MediaGoblin sharing method can be expanded by bittorrent type of sharing and local caching, which distributes the cost of data to the users/subscribers.  Win win win as I see it.
 
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2017, 12:52:17 pm »
I agree, but the non-technical solution needs to be pioneered, and there is nobody better suited to do that than technical people.

There is a misconception that the solution is technical. Not true. The technical aspects are already being done by Open Source programming folk, to whom we are all in debt. The problem is one of awareness and changing the existing habits. We can get rid of all this nonsense by just doing things a bit differently.


I too agree that this is not free. The content creator needs to at least rent a server. However several content creators could pool their resources or federate their servers. Also the options for ad revenue and other types of monetization are still available.

Last but not least the MediaGoblin sharing method can be expanded by bittorrent type of sharing and local caching, which distributes the cost of data to the users/subscribers.  Win win win as I see it.

Yes if people have to be convinced to make the leap. Dave once did a video on why he would not use vimeo. You see the one big problem lies with the consumer that cares little for ethics and morals and just want's it all now for free. I'd happily scrap the adverts and pay for the content I watch. I don't watch TV or pay a license but if youtube gave me the option of paying a monthly fee and no adds I would. I am aware they are experimenting with this but I wonder why we have heared no more of it....... free is not free but if it looks like it's free people prefer it.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2017, 01:33:05 pm »
I don't disagree with regard to monopolies but what you say about taking control is fine if you're just running a site with a few hundred or so members downloading or streaming the odd few videos per day. However, with the popularity of Dave's sites, just maintaining such a site would be a full time job for at least one someone, let alone the cost of other resources such as bandwidth etc etc.

I would think that technical side of running such a site is not that big a problem as delivering video content globally anyway needs to be outsourced to someone with local servers around the world. Try Akamai or someone like that.

When I was looking into the requirements to replace various technical forums which supported email access, I concluded that using bittorrent to distribute large files was the way to go.  Direct download links might be desirable as a backup but that is what traffic shaping is for.
 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2017, 01:49:13 pm »
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I'd happily scrap the adverts and pay for the content I watch.

There is no need. Creators still can put ads to their content if they wish. They just will have to deal with advertisers directly, which is how Dave deals with ads on the forum anyway.

Overzealous ads might reduce popularity as usual but I see this as a good thing. This will likely weed out a lot of copycat 'in it just for the money' type of clickbait creators.

 

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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2017, 01:53:03 pm »
I meant things like automated google ads, directly negotiated ads are of course the best way.
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2017, 01:57:40 pm »
I don't watch TV or pay a license but if youtube gave me the option of paying a monthly fee and no adds I would. I am aware they are experimenting with this but I wonder why we have heared no more of it.
I have been using YouTube Red since they first advertised it.  $5/month is wonderful to skip all those stupid (and LOUD) ads.

OTOH, on the occasions where I use YouTube not logged-in,  I have often seen an ad for something that I found really useful, so I have a rather split opinion.  So, I guess the times when the YT targeting algorithm worked properly, they showed me ads for quite interesting things.

Presumably Vimeo it out because no monetization?
 

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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2017, 02:00:53 pm »
The only way is to monetise your own solution, something LinusTechTips is doing. But even Linus could not be able to bankroll his own CDS without the free hardware he has received and hours spent on the back end by Luke et al. He also won't disclose whether it will be profitable once live but there will be a break even point and he has enough fanboys to get it that way.

With the way the Ad distribution is going on YouTube, it wouldn't surprise me if people move away gradually with Patreon supporting producers. Then the issue is fragmentation...
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2017, 02:08:11 pm »
The solution to fragmentation is federation. How would that work nobody knows, will have to be figured out.

The closest parallel I can imagine is something like the Webrings of the 90's.

In the most basic form I imagine the content creators sharing space on their own server in exchange for space in another creator's server in another country.
 

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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2017, 02:20:37 pm »


In the most basic form I imagine the content creators sharing space on their own server in exchange for space in another creator's server in another country.

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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2017, 02:29:46 pm »
Quote from: evb149 on Today at 03:24:14I don't disagree with regard to monopolies but what you say about taking control is fine if you're just running a site with a few hundred or so members downloading or streaming the odd few videos per day. However, with the popularity of Dave's sites, just maintaining such a site would be a full time job for at least one someone, let alone the cost of other resources such as bandwidth etc etc. For all its faults, and I have little time for the way they react in circumstances like these, Youtube does at least allow a creator to just concentrate on content creation leaving the rest of the hassle of publishing to them.

I would think that technical side of running such a site is not that big a problem as delivering video content globally anyway needs to be outsourced to someone with local servers around the world. Try Akamai or someone like that. Selling ads is where the hassle is but given Dave's large and focused audience I would think it is possible to cover hosting costs.

For those who think Youtubers can just change to another site or host the video server yourself etc are missing the entire point of Youtube.
It is the world's 2nd biggest search engine, and the world's biggest video search engine by many orders of magnitudes. When you want to find and watch a video on anything, the only place you turn to is Youtube.
Half of my daily views come from searches, and almost the entirety of my existing and continual new audience comes from being visible and searchable on Youtube.

There is a reason why there practically isn't anyone making a living making original Facebook video content, or Vimeo content etc.
Twitch might be the only exception, but it's still zero competition to Youtube.

Good luck trying to convince advertisers you have xx thousands of viewers on your own private server, or vimeo etc, no one cares, you become invisible and will almost certainly fade away as will any audience who switched with you.
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2017, 02:32:57 pm »
For the users instead of subscribing on YT they could subscribe directly to the content creator (via RSS for example) so when new content is released the subscriber's client automatically downloads the content via torrent and starts seeding it to others, thus minimizing the bandwidth costs for the creator.
 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2017, 02:34:51 pm »
the problem is fitting with what the masses want, as Dave says, YT is the goto place and favored by "the one" search engine. I have been going rogue and not using google but I have noticed that the quality of my results are poor. It's sad but a monopoly is nice when they play fair.
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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2017, 02:38:41 pm »
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For those who think Youtubers can just change to another site or host the video server yourself etc are missing the entire point of Youtube.
It is the world's 2nd biggest search engine, and the world's biggest video search engine by many orders of magnitudes. When you want to find and watch a video on anything, the only place you turn to is Youtube.

Google is also a monopoly for search service and this is also a bad thing that we are stuck with it.

There are open source peer-to-peer search engines out there. The prime example being YaCy http://yacy.net/en/index.html

If federated content becomes popular the federated search service will also be popular.


edit: I've ran YaCy on my personal computer and it did work, as in it did crawl the net and was searchable. So the technology is already out there. The only thing lacking is the will to give it a try.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2017, 02:41:28 pm »
For the users instead of subscribing on YT they could subscribe directly to the content creator (via RSS for example) so when new content is released the subscriber's client automatically downloads the content via torrent and starts seeding it to others, thus minimizing the bandwidth costs for the creator.

Of course they can, but as I mentioned above, that is entirely not the point.
It's like being say a successful online magazine and then saying, bugger it, we are now only going to be able to available via the newsagent or direct snail mail postage now.
Some audience will follow, but you'll eventually fade away into insignificance.
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