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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2017, 02:44:53 pm »


Google is also a monopoly for search service and this is also a bad thing that we are stuck with it.

There are open source peer-to-peer search engines out there. The prime example being YaCy http://yacy.net/en/index.html

If federated content becomes popular the federated search service will also be popular.

I would use it but where is the download link ?
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2017, 02:47:30 pm »
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Of course they can, but as I mentioned above, that is entirely not the point.

I just felt the need to mention what is out there and what is possible. I do not pretend to have solution to your current problem Dave. You know what you're doing.

But if I was a content creator I would definitely try to run an autonomous CDN besides my regular YT account, and I would mention this here and there hoping to get more creators into it.

At least I wouldn't be willingly handing Google the monopoly on a silver platter.
 
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« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2017, 02:51:55 pm »
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I would use it but where is the download link ?

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2017, 02:58:34 pm »
I just felt the need to mention what is out there and what is possible. I do not pretend to have solution to your current problem Dave. You know what you're doing.

I don't have a problem  ;D

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But if I was a content creator I would definitely try to run an autonomous CDN besides my regular YT account, and I would mention this here and there hoping to get more creators into it.
At least I wouldn't be willingly handing Google the monopoly on a silver platter.

A lot of my content is on Vimeo also, and every numbered video I have ever made is on my server, albeit in a 640x360 podcast version:
http://www.eevblog.org
In fact some people know that videos typically get uploaded there before they are released.
I also tried a torrent server once, it sucked.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2017, 03:04:57 pm »
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A lot of my content is in Vimeo also, and every numbered video I have veer made is on my server, albeit in a 640x360 podcast version:

Exactly, If more creators started doing the same thing you could start pooling resources which would reduce costs and increase popularity.

And the technical solution to let you do so already exists.

I'm not a content creator but even I could set up a server just to start the ball rolling.
 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2017, 03:43:03 pm »


I'm not a content creator but even I could set up a server just to start the ball rolling.

And there lies your problem, another person able to do it different that is not going to use it. There will be plenty of people that make content but don't have your knowledge.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2017, 03:56:45 pm »
Anyway the point is, you've got a perfectly fine web server and you know how to use it.  Rather than contribute to youtube's success while they increasingly inhibit yours maybe reconsider why you'd even want to do business with such a company / "service".
Running your own (single?) server with their bandwidth is unpractical. You would need a cluster with a huge connection to provide proper (HD) video streaming.
I'm basically still a rookie and because of this, even with the best intentions, I often say bullshits
 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2017, 04:04:55 pm »
Which is why it has to be done across multiple servers and is only practical if people club together, i wonder how hosting companies started out.

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2017, 05:19:01 pm »
This is where the MediaGoblin and it's federated content sharing comes in. It let's you share resources with other users.

Video in the link:

https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/christopher-webber-federation-and-gnu-2b47/
 
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2017, 05:31:32 pm »
A glimpse of the future. Google's machine learning and AI in action.

Some people think stuff like this will be driving cars in a couple of years.
 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2017, 07:46:01 pm »
Yes it seems there are lots of possible technical and architectural solutions to help provide alternatives.  What alternative works best for a given use case is probably application dependent.

* If I just want to "subscribe" to a content feed that someone has on an irregular or regular basis then in many cases I don't care about "immediate asynchronous on demand" streaming.  I just want to get the content in my "folder" once a day / week / whatever.  So it wouldn't matter if my device pulled that slowly by HTTPS, FTP, torrent, whatever at whatever low bandwidth.  The ATOM / RSS / podcast feed is a good analogy.  Some agent SW monitors a list of feeds I subscribe to, downloads whatever is linked to according to my preferences, notifies / shows me what is available at any time and it is available from my local machine when I want it.  There are probably standard browser / app / webapp / whatever mechanisms and setups for this.

* If there is some "live stream" or "special event" type thing then there are webcasting / streaming types of approaches to handle that.  And if the presentations can be scheduled to a finite number of specific times like a live or scheduled non-live webcast would be then there's efficiency available in allocating whatever server resources are needed to handle that bandwidth at predictable times.  Even if one had an arrangement with AWS or AZURE or whatever cloud service or CDN to disseminate the live / non-live streams at least at that point you're the customer and you have some kind of SLA and at least notional availability of support and quality control from the facility, and you wouldn't have to rely on just one provider it'd be potentially dynamic.

* Free distributed mirrors can work perfectly well, they once worked well for USENET.  Today any time you want to download a LINUX / UNIX distribution or similar you have a list of something like 100 globally dispersed mirrors that you can get the content from.  Some schemes even use DNS and other approaches to handle load-balancing and select the best / fastest / most available server for every specific request.  There are even sites like archive.org and probably wikimedia and other virtual libraries that store and disseminate media specifically because relying on "here today gone tomorrow" commercial services leads to content disappearing forever when the single point of failure goes away. 

* There may be some kinds of standard variable bit rate / progressive resolution / whatever streaming and whatever mechanisms out there to allow for smooth playback on demand while the rest of the video buffers and higher quality data becomes available.  In the normal case if I download one of your self-hosted videos and it takes just a couple of minutes for a video with run time several times that then clearly it is much faster than real time.  So I don't think one needs "netflix like" infrastructure to successfully stream videos whatever you're already doing is working better than youtube sometimes does in my experience.  I don't know how cloudflare and all that works but I guess I wouldn't be surprised if video BLOB content could work just the same as HTML content in terms of distributed cacheing / distribution.  Isn't that part of the point of the whole dynamic HTML / XMLHTTP request / AJAX or whatever scheme to be able to load chunks of content dynamically from whatever applicable sources and then process them locally to cause them to be rendered into the final format?  I'm not sure chunks of video are different than chunks of XML in such a concept.

As for "search engine" use well that's another aspect that really should be "taken back" by the internet.  It is hardly scalable nor desirable to have some monopoly over finding internet content.  There has long been the concept of "semantic web" and metadata initiatives like dublin core and formats like SGML instead of HTML etc.  Information metadata should be marked up by the creator or also "crowd sourced" annotated / curated and then the problem of "search" should be reduced from the ridiculously innacurate and unscalable "keyword search" google nonsense to more of distributed database queries that can be much more specific as to what is being searched for than you can do with google's basic or advanced search. 

The internet has the potential to make accessable the sum of human knowledge and creativity.  It should be architected and implemented according to the concepts of "library science" and not some "web 2.0 whatever is shiny and flashy" here today gone tomorrow schemes of companies like Facebook, Twitter, AOL, yahoo, google, msn, microsoft, whatever. 
The content, the information, the "e-culture" should survive and be as usable and accessible as possible we're collectively
creating the world's biggest library which should be "infinite" in scope and duration but so far all we get is the world's biggest tower of bablyon where nothing really works or lasts.  Let's say some cloud company "service" like youtube or yahoo or AOL or google groups or whatever goes out of business and takes down its servers.  Where does all that content (which they did not create, users did in the sense of my meaning)  go?  Generally it is gone forever.  How many person years of effort are lost?  Probably several million person years of effort maybe if there was content created by millions of users over a few years time.  Sure maybe not much of it was "of lasting value" but some was. 

Homer here routinely posts links to old videos from the 1960s or so about things like telstar, sputnik or whatever.  What will happen to EEVBLOG (or all other such) videos in 5, 10, 20, 50 years?  I think they would be interesting for historical perspective.  It would be a shame to see such all go away when one day youtube is no longer run or whatever, and it is a good step that you also use vimeo and self-host etc.  At any given time letting monopolies and "pyramid schemes" control our content, our communications networks, our collective knowledge and information may seem like a good and convenient thing.  But in the end it is always a mistake.

Nowdays storage, bandwidth, etc. is cheaper than ever but yet the "pipes" and "gateways" to it all are becoming increasingly turned into "toll roads" of "robber barons" who would like nothing better than to turn the internet into essentially another cable TV service that is a "broadcast medium" controlled by corporate monopoly interests for their profit / purposes and not enable alternatives or meaningfully independent resources whether by erosion of use of standards or inavability of technical resources for alternatives (e.g. super assymetric bandwidth quotas or incoming port blocks on ISP feeds).



 
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2017, 07:51:50 pm »
For those who think Youtubers can just change to another site or host the video server yourself etc are missing the entire point of Youtube.
It is the world's 2nd biggest search engine, and the world's biggest video search engine by many orders of magnitudes. When you want to find and watch a video on anything, the only place you turn to is Youtube.
Half of my daily views come from searches, and almost the entirety of my existing and continual new audience comes from being visible and searchable on Youtube.

There is a reason why there practically isn't anyone making a living making original Facebook video content, or Vimeo content etc.
Twitch might be the only exception, but it's still zero competition to Youtube.

Good luck trying to convince advertisers you have xx thousands of viewers on your own private server, or vimeo etc, no one cares, you become invisible and will almost certainly fade away as will any audience who switched with you.

The biggest reason I prefer Youtube videos is simply because they work and I can easily download them for local viewing albeit limited to 720p.

Invariably when I do a Google search and find the video that I want on a site other than Youtube, it either does not work or works very poorly.  My experience has been so bad in this respect that I usually do not even bother with video that is not on Youtube unless it is a direct download link and who does that?  And even on Youtube, I download first and watch using local video player unless it is trivial and short content.

Oh, but the porn video sites work fine.  Liveleak works fine also.  Why can't Vimeo and all of the video content sites other than Youtube and Liveleak figure it out?  The only thing they have figured out is not to put a "buffering..." message up.
 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2017, 08:37:01 pm »
Thanks evb149 for the wonderful exposition. I could not have distilled the matter more succinctly.

Yes indeed the web of today carries the shared memory of mankind and deleting a video is the same thing as burning a book. Nobody should have the monopoly to do so in this day and age. Librarians call the unintentional loss of information "Web Rot" and are trying to figure out ways to deal with it. The intentional censoring of information on the other hand is much more serious, but we don't have a name for it yet.

The RSS/Atom feeds can be made an order of magnitude more useful if integrated with a torrent client. This way when new content is posted the client automatically downloads it and starts seeding to other users, even if you don't watch it immediately. The effectiveness is evident from movie streaming applications like PopcornTime et. al.

In the above application a file with 1000 seeders has MASSIVE bandwidth and can be disseminated globally no problem whatsoever. So a content creator like Dave having 1000 RSS subscribers is roughly comparable to his YT channel in the amount of bits reaching the audience. All this with minimal cost to Dave.

The keyword search and human based semantic classification is actually easy. Just look at how Reddit works. There are niche communities with very specific interest who constantly share and discuss content relevant to them. The only problem is that the flow of information is one way only and there is no way of feeding it back to the creator. Reddit also has its own rudimentary monetization scheme which they do not intent to make extensible to the original content creator. Another thing that can be improved.

 
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2017, 11:54:26 pm »
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A lot of my content is in Vimeo also, and every numbered video I have veer made is on my server, albeit in a 640x360 podcast version:
Exactly, If more creators started doing the same thing you could start pooling resources which would reduce costs and increase popularity.

It's never going to be popular.

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And the technical solution to let you do so already exists.
I'm not a content creator but even I could set up a server just to start the ball rolling.

To solve what problem?
There is no problem.
There is nothing stopping content creators uploading to any and all of the CDN's like Youtube, Vimeo, Vid.me, etc etc (even Facebook), if redundancy and viewer choice is your issue.
Fact is no one cares about anything other than Youtube.
But if you want to do that sort of thing, then I'm not here to discourage it, just pointing out what the real world cares about.

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2017, 11:57:52 pm »
In practical terms, these 'alternatives' will be seen by a great many as an exercise in reinventing the wheel.

Many content producers wouldn't have the skills and/or the interest in travelling down a path that requires them to put more effort into publishing their work ... yes, even if it meant they bailed out completely.  Another issue is the potential for multiple "standards" in exactly how multiple hosts are configured and accessed.  The list goes on.

Then there are the costs involved in providing an effective service (read bandwidth and capacity).


It may appear to be a solution on paper, but real world issues will be a significant barrier to success.

IMHO.


and there's this....

Fact is no one cares about anything other than Youtube.

 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2017, 12:03:20 am »
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The RSS/Atom feeds can be made an order of magnitude more useful if integrated with a torrent client. This way when new content is posted the client automatically downloads it and starts seeding to other users, even if you don't watch it immediately. The effectiveness is evident from movie streaming applications like PopcornTime et. al.
In the above application a file with 1000 seeders has MASSIVE bandwidth and can be disseminated globally no problem whatsoever. So a content creator like Dave having 1000 RSS subscribers is roughly comparable to his YT channel in the amount of bits reaching the audience. All this with minimal cost to Dave.

I've been talking about dropping the podcast RSS version for years now, and have said I may drop it at any time.
It's three extra process steps for me just to do it -  separate render, separate FTP server upload, and adding it to the feed.

For the Amp Hour podcast, which is just audio, and 1/10th the bandwidth requirement of video we had to use a professional CDN service designed just for that, LibSyn.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2017, 12:11:47 am »
In practical terms, these 'alternatives' will be seen by a great many as an exercise in reinventing the wheel.
Many content producers wouldn't have the skills and/or the interest in travelling down a path that requires them to put more effort into publishing their work ... yes, even if it meant they bailed out completely.  Another issue is the potential for multiple "standards" in exactly how multiple hosts are configured and accessed.  The list goes on.
Then there are the costs involved in providing an effective service (read bandwidth and capacity).
It may appear to be a solution on paper, but real world issues will be a significant barrier to success.

And all this talk of setting your own CDN or moving to another CDN service like Vimeo etc is only valid for those who already have a large audience and can potentially take some of them with them.
It is not an option for someone starting out, even if they have the best technical skills in the world to implement it.
Even something as huge and ubiquitous as Facebook (and who claim to serve more video than Youtube (which is bullshit, but we'll run with that)), used by more than a billion people a month, count how many people make a full time living making video content on just Facebook. Name one person who is known for making original video content on Facebook. You can't. There are reasons for this.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2017, 01:38:23 am »
I just jumped on my YouTube homepage and EEVdiscover was there with suggested videos.

I was thinking, I like the sound of "EEV Scope" as a name for the new channel. It can still mean the same thing, but it has the cope pun for those in the know. Get the scoop on The Scope. ;)
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2017, 01:55:11 am »
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Fact is no one cares about anything other than Youtube.

Thanks for defending the status quo boys. Thought nobody was going to put a good word in for the poor old status quo. God knows the old girl needs all the help she can get.
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« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2017, 02:23:55 am »
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Fact is no one cares about anything other than Youtube.

Thanks for defending the status quo boys. Thought nobody was going to put a good word in for the poor old status quo. God knows the old girl needs all the help she can get.
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I just felt like being rebellious and all that nonsense. I repent.  :horse:

The problem is diversity leads to confusion. Not only for people to remember what site content was uploaded to (these kind of sites would likely copy each other's looks eventually) if they just happened to watch random videos, but for the uploaders who would have their target audiences split up by multiple sites, meaning they only get a fraction of it. Even if all sites were to become "popular", people would still choose which ones to frequent and ignore others.
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« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2017, 02:55:03 am »
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Fact is no one cares about anything other than Youtube.
Thanks for defending the status quo boys. Thought nobody was going to put a good word in for the poor old status quo. God knows the old girl needs all the help she can get.
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I just felt like being rebellious and all that nonsense. I repent.  :horse:

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2017, 05:34:29 am »
You can't ignore the status quo.  It has inertia.  Sometimes that inertia is massive.

For any new player, they not only have to deliver a better product in all manner of ways - performance, searching, ease of use and whatever else will be needed to attract patronage - but they need to overcome the inertia in order for it to be adopted.
 

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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2017, 07:59:31 pm »


Google is also a monopoly for search service and this is also a bad thing that we are stuck with it.

There are open source peer-to-peer search engines out there. The prime example being YaCy http://yacy.net/en/index.html

If federated content becomes popular the federated search service will also be popular.

I would use it but where is the download link ?

Another 2 click wonder written by technical poeple for technical people. non of it made any sense and on firing it up the second time it failed to work. If you really want to run a project like lacy then get it onto BOINC so that contributors just link to the project with minimal understanding.
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2017, 11:34:53 pm »
got the notification for the new video today, but want to watch it later, rirgt now i Want to see it but the video has ben taken down, does any one one know why Dave has take this video down.
I remember the video picture was a picture of some PCB see picture from the mail notification. link to the video
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Re: My New Youtube Channel BANNED!
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2017, 09:18:40 pm »
I might be a bit late to the party here, but I just tried to put the new channel into feedly (rss reader) and BuzzFeedBlue channel popped up.

It might have been a hash collision, or database error. Or feedly might have messed up their cache. It is interesting enough for me to register here and post it anyways.
 


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