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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #150 on: November 14, 2018, 08:38:16 am »
Dave, the forum link on the youtube video is broken.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #151 on: November 14, 2018, 08:47:43 am »
Recomended prices from Rigol - https://www.rigol.eu/products/digital-oscilloscopes/MSO5000/

809 Euros for the baseline model. They're going to make many millions after the hack appears.  :popcorn:

(we just need somebody to dump the ROM and everybody who knows the chip to look and find the license check algorithm)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #152 on: November 14, 2018, 08:53:29 am »
Competition document attached.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #153 on: November 14, 2018, 08:58:14 am »
Competition document attached.
Even this document contains a lot of different fonts. They should really hire someone to check this. The situation is so bad that it would be a full-time position
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #154 on: November 14, 2018, 09:08:00 am »
Recomended prices from Rigol - https://www.rigol.eu/products/digital-oscilloscopes/MSO5000/

809 Euros for the baseline model. They're going to make many millions after the hack appears.  :popcorn:

(we just need somebody to dump the ROM and everybody who knows the chip to look and find the license check algorithm)

In deed, i likely would buy 4 of them,  they woudl be a great 'bench' scope to put on peoples work areas for general work.. ( I have old DS1102E's for that, but they are getting a bit tired. ).. 
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #155 on: November 14, 2018, 09:21:40 am »
Competition document attached.
Even this document contains a lot of different fonts. They should really hire someone to check this. The situation is so bad that it would be a full-time position
Maybe check the English while they're at it. WTF is a "burr signal"
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #156 on: November 14, 2018, 09:30:08 am »
Competition document attached.
Even this document contains a lot of different fonts. They should really hire someone to check this. The situation is so bad that it would be a full-time position
Maybe check the English while they're at it. WTF is a "burr signal"
Lots of factual errors too. Lots of text was copy/paste from DS7000 material.. Like references to 3000 series Teks and Keysight...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #157 on: November 14, 2018, 09:44:31 am »
https://rigolcanada.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/mso5000/
$1,173 CAD for the base model, if that is true its even cheaper than the USD price. $886 USD. Were there any china test gear tariffs?

One note in the datasheet, they state: "Unique online version upgrade". Hopefully that just means you can upgrade over ethernet if you want to, I doubt they would force anything. But worst case could run it with ethernet unplugged.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2018, 10:02:35 am »
https://rigolcanada.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/mso5000/
$1,173 CAD for the base model, if that is true its even cheaper than the USD price. $886 USD. Were there any china test gear tariffs?
I think US is applying 10% tariff for China Made Products, and scopes fall into this category.  (25% for Spectrum Analyzers) Rigol DS1054Z is now $375 (up from $345) and Keysight 1000X (Made in China) series prices are up as well.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2018, 10:41:19 am »
Competition document attached.
Even this document contains a lot of different fonts. They should really hire someone to check this. The situation is so bad that it would be a full-time position
Wow, this document looks like it was unfinished or something...
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #160 on: November 14, 2018, 11:18:09 am »
If you are supposed to know thousands of characters, the finer details of western typesets might become blurry.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #161 on: November 14, 2018, 11:21:34 am »
If you are supposed to know thousands of characters, the finer details of western typesets might become blurry.
That's why you hire an industrial designer. Spelling errors in the UI and horrible fonts are OK if you are providing excellent value. But when you want to play with big guys, you need to be on the level at least in the industrial design, arguably the simplest metric to achieve.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #162 on: November 14, 2018, 01:30:06 pm »
Then again, it's become Rigol's "style." Hopefully, no one else decides it's a good idea and copies the poor practices.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #163 on: November 14, 2018, 01:41:34 pm »
Seriously... if you are a hobbyist, why would you pay $909 for a scope that is similar to the DS1054Z?  Except for higher sample memory, is there any new feature on the MSO5000 that a hobbyist can take advantage of vs the 1054Z?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #164 on: November 14, 2018, 01:56:22 pm »
There's higher sampling rate, too. But, no, for general use the DS1054Z, SDS1104X-E, etc. are just fine. I'm not replacing mine.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #165 on: November 14, 2018, 05:35:39 pm »
Seriously... if you are a hobbyist, why would you pay $909 for a scope that is similar to the DS1054Z?  Except for higher sample memory, is there any new feature on the MSO5000 that a hobbyist can take advantage of vs the 1054Z?

9 inch 1024 x 600 screen vs 7 inch 800 X 480 screen. I'm sure that's enough reason for a lot of people.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #166 on: November 14, 2018, 06:49:04 pm »
9 inch 1024 x 600 screen vs 7 inch 800 X 480 screen. I'm sure that's enough reason for a lot of people.

Yep, non-teensy screen is one of the key reasons I bought the scope I did, sure you can plug in external screens, but you intend to move a scope around that's just more of a pain.

The Tek MSO5 is great for this, hopefully better screens keep trickling down to more affordable scopes.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #167 on: November 14, 2018, 07:08:53 pm »
Seriously... if you are a hobbyist, why would you pay $909 for a scope that is similar to the DS1054Z?  Except for higher sample memory, is there any new feature on the MSO5000 that a hobbyist can take advantage of vs the 1054Z?

Touch screen, web interface, HDMI output, better FFT...


 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #168 on: November 14, 2018, 07:20:28 pm »
It also has a clock.   :-+ 
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #169 on: November 14, 2018, 07:32:13 pm »
Seriously... if you are a hobbyist, why would you pay $909 for a scope that is similar to the DS1054Z?  Except for higher sample memory, is there any new feature on the MSO5000 that a hobbyist can take advantage of vs the 1054Z?

Bigger screen, per-channel controls, touch screen, HDMI output, web interface, better FFT?

OTOH the $909 model only has two channels and no serial decoding, so...  :--

The success/fail of this will depend entirely on the hacking, IMHO. I don't see why anybody would buy the $909 model instead of the much cheaper 2-channel Siglent (is a fancy screen and separate controls worth $400 plus loss of bandwidth and serial decoders? I don't think so)

No hacks=no sales. Rigol must know that. I can't believe they'll throw away all the R&D effort for their new chipset by trying to sell it at the official prices, it would be suicide.

They have the option of offering "free" options, sure, it wouldn't surprise me if you get free serial decoders this Xmas, but they'll probably make far more money in the long term by just letting people hack it.

Hacking this would completely kill their DS2000X range though and I bet there's an idiot boss at Rigol who's worried about that.

I'm sure the hack will happen, the only question is whether you need JTAG or just a keygen.

There's higher sampling rate, too.

Not in the $909 model.  :popcorn:
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #170 on: November 14, 2018, 07:55:58 pm »
Any idea what is the Spartan6 doing there?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #171 on: November 14, 2018, 10:25:52 pm »
There's higher sampling rate, too.

Not in the $909 model.  :popcorn:
MSO5072 ($909) has 8GSa/s
 
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #172 on: November 15, 2018, 02:13:35 am »
Recomended prices from Rigol - https://www.rigol.eu/products/digital-oscilloscopes/MSO5000/
Simone (Batterly) offer the best price for now .

No, Batterfly has the same price as Batronix, and Batronix offers free postage in EU.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #173 on: November 15, 2018, 03:22:49 am »
Odd that in the US Tequipment's site makes no mention of the new MSO5000 yet Saelig has a big splash on it???
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #174 on: November 15, 2018, 12:22:23 pm »
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