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Offline BradC

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #450 on: Today at 02:57:54 am »

The POD time and date is 23/10 at 02:20 - Shenzhen is 7 hours ahead of the UK, so that's 22/10 19:20 local time. It was pitch black out. Guess what? the posties don't work late in the evening either.

AliExpress tracking hasn't been updated with this proof of delivery yet, so its status is still that its in China despite the so called tracking showing it out for delivery on Sunday.

Hrm, that looks suspiciously familiar, and while I was composing the message the tracking was updated to delivered. Which of course it hasn't been.
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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #451 on: Today at 03:03:48 am »

I wonder how this fake tracking resulting in a 'Proof Of Delivery' works.
Typically they use a tracking number for another shipment, or, they might just ship you an empty box or an envelope. anything to get a tracking number and proof of delivery.

This sound like a scam i posted in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2735986/#msg2735986

once they have a tracking number and proof of delivery, then the sites like Ali express and dhgate will not refund, because the item was received.

I wonder though if theres strength in numbers here. guess it will depend on how many get scammed.
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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #452 on: Today at 03:51:33 am »
There have been a few scams like this on E-bay. If the tracking information shows delivery location that is wrong, then at least it can be disputed. A more advanced version of this scam is to send an empty envelope to a nearby address in the same town. But these scams are usually perpetrated by new users who suddenly list a lot of items at too good to be true prices. It maybe the sellers of the meters are getting desperate and trying all possible tricks at once.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #453 on: Today at 03:52:17 am »
The version I got:

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day

I opened the dispute and got this reply:



No deal.  Escalating!  My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #454 on: Today at 08:55:07 am »

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function 

we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved...



I would reply to that email and ask what level of fool from one to ten is expected to believe such lame reasons ?  :palm:


I've changed my previous view on this,
these slimy dirtbags need to be taught a lesson and pony up a working blue process meter ASAP

or EXCELLENT compensation/s

with an email 'velly solly for bad BS, is not heppen agian we making promises for this,
plz not be angrys and posts bad feedbacks '


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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #455 on: Today at 09:59:12 am »
Seems like I received money in PayPal from them, yet they purposefully or not, miscalculated PayPal commissions. In result I got roughly 98% of my :-DMM back. Those who actually care about loss of few quarters - beware when accepting PayPal refund.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #456 on: Today at 11:51:39 am »
Attention

Does not accept PayPal refund, Let's Aliexpress do the Job, you will get the full money, and will be allowed to give 0 stars, and tell the truth on the comments. Also, the Paypal refund can be charged back

After you open the dispute, do not reply to any message, just reject the offer they will do on the dispute system, that will be something just to get you out of the dispute system and go to the Paypal way.

Aliespress will evaluate and for sure give you a full refund, and also the right to comment on sellers feedback, Don't be fool
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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #457 on: Today at 12:03:48 pm »
and also the right to comment on sellers feedback.
How ?  :-//
I won the dispute but can not give any feedback.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #458 on: Today at 12:20:04 pm »
 Magical Tools Store did it for me. Attached a totally unrelated tracking number which went to Turku.  Finnish Post customer service reached the package and it was for a different person.  So I disputed and they tried to get me to withdraw the dispute.  I rejected that, and instead attached an image of the tracking info and my statement:

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The shipment is in Turku and my address is in Espoo.

I called Finnish Post to find out what is going on.  They told me, and
I have the phone call recorded (in Finnish, sorry), that the shipment
is addressed to a different person and my name is nowhere in the
package.  So it is apparent that the seller has attached in his sale
the tracking code of another shipment.

I want to know the correct tracking number of my shipment and I also
want Aliexpress to investigate possible tracking document forgery
here.

I also find seller's proposal shameful.  The dispute is valid and it
should be investigated and I expect to be refunded unless my shipment
arrives me soon.  I also want to be compensated for my efforts finding
out that the tracking number was indeed invalid.

Best Regards,

   my name
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Eat That, Magical Tools Store !!!
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #459 on: Today at 01:18:53 pm »
Yesterday decided to stop quarrelling with the seller  :horse: and open a dispute, that was attended and now I'm waiting for a refund. Left negative feedback for the seller.  :box:

Curious thing though. When I go to "My Cozy Life Store", the seller in question, and try to check the store feedback, when click over the negative (1-2 stars) amount of votes I should see listed only the feedback with 1 or 2 stars evaluation. But no! I keep seeing only listed the 5star feedback. Tried with Firefox and Chrome, just to check if this wasn't a browser issue. It seems more like an Aliexpress favour to the seller reputation that the user can't check the low feedback reports to the seller. :-//
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #460 on: Today at 01:59:51 pm »
It’s possible that Ali caches the calculation and feedback for some period of time for performance reasons. (I’m guessing Ali’s site is optimized to handle a little more traffic and prioritize that over up to the instant discussion as might be typical for a forum.)
Also possible that there’s a review process for feedback (this is the case at Amazon for sure and I think for google reviews as well).
Give it until end of week before concluding it’s rigged.
 

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« Reply #461 on: Today at 02:41:40 pm »
A clash of cultures ;)

Westener about Chinese seller:
- sells product not in stock
- lists tracking ID for other delivery (must be fraud)
- lies about product not being in stock
- offers other product or refund via PayPal preventing negative feedback (yeah, scammer)
- tries to gain a few cents by miscalculating PayPal fees (200% sure he's a dirty little scammer)

Chinese seller:
- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
- no harm done and not losing face
- no minus points for the social score?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #462 on: Today at 02:42:48 pm »
Another scammer history

Dear buyer,
Sorry to make you wait so long,
we just got the information from the logistics company
and your parcel was returned to us due to failed security check.
We apologize for that,in this case,here is the solutions for you, please advice.
1)refund: do you have PayPal account to get the money?
2)replace: you choose other goods as the same price we send instead of refund?
3)discount:we can reduce the money as compensation in your next order?                                                                                                                                which is better for you? we hope we can try our best to make you satisfied.
Could you please help to cancel the dispute? :horse:
You know we can solve this for your without dispute
waiting for reply
Have a nice day


Does not matter the history no merci, refund only via dispute, and terrible feedback, This is all the means of feedback, get out scammers, one buyer supporting another, not scammers sellers   :horse:
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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #463 on: Today at 02:55:08 pm »
It’s possible that Ali caches the calculation and feedback for some period of time for performance reasons. (I’m guessing Ali’s site is optimized to handle a little more traffic and prioritize that over up to the instant discussion as might be typical for a forum.)
Also possible that there’s a review process for feedback (this is the case at Amazon for sure and I think for google reviews as well).
Give it until end of week before concluding it’s rigged.

I'm not talking about not being able to see my feedback report. It has yet to be reviewed.
What I'm saying is that Aliexpress don't show only the feedback you select to be shown when click over the number of votes.

For instance, if you take a look on the image I attached in my previous post, when click over "58", that should list only the Negative (1-2 Stars) votes over the last month. It doesn't.
That's how it works on Amazon, Ebay...

I believe you can try this exercise with any sellers feedback on Aliexpress. That feature isn't working. And so, it's easy that a buyer give up searching for negative feedback only, because it will have to search through the entire feedback list. If this is a non working feature or Aliexpres strategy... I can't tell. But it's odd. 
 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #464 on: Today at 03:18:14 pm »
Chinese seller:
1- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
2- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
3- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
4- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
5- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
6- no harm done and not losing face
7- no minus points for the social score?

There is no clash here, just a seller who does not know his customer.
At step 0 there is the mistake that he lists items he has no possesion of and can not guarantee that he can get possesion of, so the logistic amount should be extremely conservative, lets say 3 items instead of 50.
Then from step 1 to 2 he makes the huge mistake in that he assumes and "thinks" for the customer.

Then from step 2 to 3 he makes the biggest mistake that already lets the customer loose all trust in him and his enterprise.

At point 4 the customers thinks about a scam since he does not get his original product but some replacement he did not ask for.

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #465 on: Today at 05:00:42 pm »
Hrm, that looks suspiciously familiar, and while I was composing the message the tracking was updated to delivered. Which of course it hasn't been.
Does yours track on Australia Posts website? Mine still doesn't show on Royal Mails. Normally international tracked post will track on your postal systems website after it gets into the country. I've never had a problem with this before.

Unfortunately Royal Mails answer is to contact the seller if the tracking number doesn't work!  :palm:

AliExpress tracking has finally updated with the "POD" message, however its status is still In transit at country of origin. Strange.


 

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Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
« Reply #466 on: Today at 05:18:04 pm »
A clash of cultures ;)

Westener about Chinese seller:
- sells product not in stock
- lists tracking ID for other delivery (must be fraud)
- lies about product not being in stock
- offers other product or refund via PayPal preventing negative feedback (yeah, scammer)
- tries to gain a few cents by miscalculating PayPal fees (200% sure he's a dirty little scammer)

Chinese seller:
- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
- no harm done and not losing face
- no minus points for the social score?

 - Order placed at Manbo store (Sept 28)
 - Seller did not respond to message sent (Oct 08)
 - Seller marked the order as shipped a few hours before the deadline (Oct. 12)
 - tracking ID on 17track shows "2019-09-30 15:30  Shipment information received"
 - Seller reponds to message on October 14 saying that the package was lost (Oct. 14)
 - I asked seller to send the item or to be honest and that I would accept a refund if he did (Oct. 14)
 - Seller responded Item out of stock (Oct. 17)

Conclusion: Maybe Tracking ID was created for the item, maybe it was a recycled ID but nothing was ever sent, see the discrepancy in the dates from AliExpress and 17track.
That is not a clash of cultures, that is fraud.
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