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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #900 on: January 03, 2020, 02:06:15 pm »
Having a look in the specs of the supply, it claims that ripple will be under 1mVrms.

I would be really cagey about a modern DSO's automatic RMS measurement.  Some measure AC RMS and some measure AC+DC RMS and the terminology is not consistent.  Dave even did a video on the subject.

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And the rigol just can´t display it, it´s own noise will cover this, regardless of any filter attempts. ( Ripple of a simple supply is no problem, it´s "big enough" to display it)

Oscilloscopes tend to be pretty noisy.  Sometimes an external low noise amplifier designed for the measurement bandwidth is required to make power supply noise and ripple measurements.

Older oscilloscopes going back to the 1970s often had bandwidth limits lower than 20 MHz to limit noise sufficiently for their most sensitive range.  So the more sensitive or noisy the oscilloscope was, the lower the bandwidth limit was to produce a reasonable display.
 
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #901 on: January 03, 2020, 02:12:01 pm »
Hi again,

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offset comes from waveform not being symetrical so it has DC component when it gets averaged (integrated) on coupling capacitor.

Test it out what happen to the signal displaying when it´s not symmetrical and scope is ac-coupled, see pics below. (No averaging mode, doesn´t take a effect when using it)
Further I´ve noticed a little offset (last pic), where I don´t know whre it´s coming, from the build-in Generator or from the scope itself.

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #902 on: January 03, 2020, 09:04:06 pm »
I have to put that into perspective….
Having a look in the specs of the supply, it claims that ripple will be under 1mVrms.
And the rigol just can´t display it, it´s own noise will cover this, regardless of any filter attempts.

Ok, so there's basically no ripple.  :-+

(try increasing the load on the power supply until some appears....)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #903 on: January 03, 2020, 09:37:21 pm »
Yes and it´s remarkable, because it´s a really cheap supply.
A little annoying, but I don´t pay attention on other scopes in the last years, whether they would show the same behaviour like the rigol on AC-coupling, see pics.




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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #904 on: January 03, 2020, 11:20:53 pm »
Yes and it´s remarkable, because it´s a really cheap supply.

It will have ripple, it's just a question of load.

A little annoying, but I don´t pay attention on other scopes in the last years, whether they would show the same behaviour like the rigol on AC-coupling, see pics.

I hope so. The whole point of AC coupling is that the low frequency components of the signal decay towards the center. 30Hz isn't fast...

 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #905 on: January 03, 2020, 11:32:28 pm »
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it's just a question of load.

Measurements were taken at 2.5A load, maximum load was 3A...
(I use a cooking plate, no joke…)


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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #906 on: January 04, 2020, 07:29:56 pm »
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it's just a question of load.

Measurements were taken at 2.5A load, maximum load was 3A...
(I use a cooking plate, no joke…)

It might have a massive amount of capacitance on the output, but that's generally regarded as a bad thing in a PSU.

 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #907 on: January 25, 2020, 02:26:41 pm »
Anyone seen any UK deals on these I am going to order a 5074 this week and join the fun :)
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #908 on: January 30, 2020, 01:53:28 pm »
Excuse me, has anyone tried the XY mode in this oscilloscope?

I have ordered an MSO5074 a few days ago and am now happily playing around with it. It seems that the line in XY mode is too thick. Use BNC cables to directly connect waveform generator outputs to oscilloscope inputs, resulting in a very thick circle. Even if couple modes of two channels are both set to GND, there is still a pretty large square in the center of the canvas. Tried different time base and high-res mode, but no big improvements.

I have used several models of oscilloscope, but none of them show such a thick pattern, even the lower models of Rigol. Is there any advice on settings? Thanks in advance!

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #909 on: January 30, 2020, 03:28:37 pm »
Your vertical setting is at 100mV/div and it looks like the thick trace is due to the high noise floor of this scope
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #910 on: January 30, 2020, 05:08:53 pm »
My MSO7000 shows exactly the same behaviour even at large input signals and low sensitivity settings. I hope Rigol addresses the problem in a future firmware update like they improved the beam width in normal mode in the last update.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #911 on: January 30, 2020, 05:26:36 pm »
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I hope Rigol addresses the problem in a future firmware update

Ah, hope, rigol, firmware update....This wouln´t go together  >:D
Joking, "End of january" say wrote me once - Now, they have one day left... ;)
 
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #912 on: March 12, 2020, 07:27:26 am »
Hi all,
I am a looking for a new oscilloscope, and the Rigol MSO 5000 it seems really powerful.
But I scared about a big list of bugs, and also can you please say me about UI is laggy?
I have a DS2072A and for me he UI is laggy...
And now I want to sell my DS2072A and buy some another scope....
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #913 on: March 12, 2020, 09:10:36 am »
It's laggy. Not unusable and around the same laggy as a DS1054Z but it put me off buying one. Went with Siglent SDS1202X-E and standalone cheap Saleae LA as it seemed to be a good compromise and am happy so far.

A point to make on the built in generators in the MSO5000 as well - they are poorly specified compared to standalone units as well.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #914 on: March 19, 2020, 09:23:53 pm »
Hi @all

i followed that threads about the MSO5000 since a long time
Still waiting o Bode blot option :-)

Read something about the "Statistics" and "Histogram" capabilities - had anybody already tried those features? :-D
Would be nice if someone could share some shots how those options work and look like

Thanks for your efforts, your work and sharing your knowledge :)

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #915 on: May 25, 2020, 08:08:51 pm »
Hi,

For those who might be interested in, the actual user manual (may 2020) is now avaible in german:

MSO5000 User Guide German Language


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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #916 on: May 27, 2020, 03:10:35 pm »
Hi everyone!

Thanks to the 37 pages of posts you wrote here and the other related threads, I got myself a Rigol MSO5074 (with promo bundle) for hobby work. Lucky me, a job arrived a few days later that will benefit from it too!

Also, Rigol released a new firmware:
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v00.01.03.00.01 2020/04/13
     -Add bode map function

A patch is available in the hacking thread, but I haven't tested it.

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #917 on: June 08, 2020, 02:03:47 am »
Yes, I have the same freaking problem. The XY on my old DS1054 looks much better than on this newer/advanced MSO5074. It's like you gave someone a fat sharpie pen and told them to draw in XY mode... as opposed to giving someone a ballpoint fine pen.

I sent photos to Rigol showing what the FATSO5074 is doing vs. the older DS1054Z in XY mode.

Excuse me, has anyone tried the XY mode in this oscilloscope?

I have ordered an MSO5074 a few days ago and am now happily playing around with it. It seems that the line in XY mode is too thick. Use BNC cables to directly connect waveform generator outputs to oscilloscope inputs, resulting in a very thick circle. Even if couple modes of two channels are both set to GND, there is still a pretty large square in the center of the canvas. Tried different time base and high-res mode, but no big improvements.

I have used several models of oscilloscope, but none of them show such a thick pattern, even the lower models of Rigol. Is there any advice on settings? Thanks in advance!

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #918 on: July 08, 2020, 01:49:31 pm »
sorry if I missed it but what's the current status with the hi-rez 12bit mode? Martin72 in  post584 demonstrated its shortcomings.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #919 on: August 12, 2020, 07:39:22 pm »
I see that we have bags and front covers for the MSO5000 available now too; but I find them to be a little bit crazy expensive ... 80 euro's for a piece of plastic? 150 for a shoulder bag? That's really insane. Sure 'pro's will bay that ...

So do we know any cheap knock-offs? or are there 3d files for the front cover so we can print it? :) Or know of alternative tricks?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #922 on: August 14, 2020, 10:26:53 pm »
I did a IC Identification for the back side of the Main PCB of this device:
 
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #923 on: August 14, 2020, 11:47:11 pm »
So it has multiple temperature sensors, but the fan is not PWM'd as far as I remember.
Maybe it will shut down if it gets super hot.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #924 on: August 15, 2020, 04:47:57 am »
Updated IC Identification:
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My attempt at drawing the block diagram as a high school student:
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