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Re: New web site!
« Reply #150 on: August 28, 2015, 01:57:17 am »
Next major step is going though at categorising every single video


even bad speech-to-text is better than no annotation
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #151 on: August 28, 2015, 11:07:21 am »
Next major step is going though at categorising every single video


even bad speech-to-text is better than no annotation

Really? Do you ever watch YouTube videos with auto-captions showing? I'm deaf and can't hear anything at all, yet I play most videos with subtitles disabled because they have zero meaningful content but get in the way of what you're watching, and when they're not doing that they're just distracting.

And, come to think of it, not-so-bad speech-to-text is actually worse than the really bad stuff, because it can tell you someone said something they didn't and you wouldn't know. You want to try watching TV news with real-time subtitles sometimes - it's a good job libel laws don't apply!
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #152 on: August 28, 2015, 06:08:38 pm »
My categorization idea:

I find it very difficult to find a video on YT from this forum.   For many months I did not even know there was a link at the bottom.  The very last place it should be.  Since this forum is a "canned" program, means have to be found to work within it to make links to YT.

If you please open another Tab and open this forum and follow along it would make it easier to understand what I say.  I will do the same.  Just to be sure, hit the Home button.

At the top I see a banner ad.  Below that

EEVblog Electronics Community Forum

Under that is info and links.  Any links to YT in this area would be mixed in with other links and be small font and not good.  Next

Electronics 

And this is where I want to start.  Under Electronics is Beginners.  (I will call this a section title)

When I first come to the Main Forum page, I can see Beginners.

My suggestion is to add a section title above Beginners right under Electronics.  The title of this new section to be "EEVblog Youtube Videos"  (or something similar)

In this section  one or a few posts that have sorted links to the videos.

One method of sorting in the post is using the "Playlisit"  and one sort could be by number.  Other ways to sort could be found.

This post would have to be locked and controlled only by Dave or his representative.  This would not be a discussion page only a page of links.

This sort of setup would allow someone to get from this forum to a selected video in a couple of clicks.   Being at the top it would be seen by everyone.

For example:
Say I am deep inside a topic and while reading Reply No. 74 I want to see if Dave has a related video.  I hit Home - EEVblog Youtube Videos - Playlist

(I do not know if it would take 3 or 4 hits to get to the playlist) 

This can also be done to find his main site and sections of it.   Twitter and Facebook - I do not know.

This way we could search around both his YT channel and Main Site via this Forum.

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #153 on: August 28, 2015, 06:21:32 pm »
Next major step is going though at categorising every single video


even bad speech-to-text is better than no annotation

Really? Do you ever watch YouTube videos with auto-captions showing? I'm deaf and can't hear anything at all, yet I play most videos with subtitles disabled because they have zero meaningful content but get in the way of what you're watching, and when they're not doing that they're just distracting.

And, come to think of it, not-so-bad speech-to-text is actually worse than the really bad stuff, because it can tell you someone said something they didn't and you wouldn't know. You want to try watching TV news with real-time subtitles sometimes - it's a good job libel laws don't apply!

I'm not sorry why, but automatic YouTube captioning sometimes works better than expected. Depending on the accent and such, they are quite correct.

I would like to be able to fix them for my preferred electronics videos, but it seems doesn't provide this kind of crowdsourcing feature. There are some tools out there, I and others already posted about this on the forum.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/subtitle-for-eevblog-multiple-languages/


https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/eevblog-videos-had-better-add-english-subtitle/

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/dave-add-some-subtitles-to-your-videos/msg149168/#msg149168

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/international-sections-spanish-french-japanese-chinese/msg645993/#msg645993

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/transcripts/msg399782/#msg399782

There's some subtitles in Polish...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-317-pcb-tinning-myth-busting/msg165414/#msg165414

http://www.amara.org/en/videos/0LhxB9LXw8py/info/eevblog-373-multimeter-input-protection-tutorial/

We could use Amara.org. Dave could configure it, we do the crowdsourcing effort of transcription and syncing subtitles ;)

If there's interest, we could do a formal proposal to Dave and ask if more people would be interested in it.

I'm bad at listening English, formal English classes bore me a lot. But my English listening are improving by watching subtitled videos of my topics of most interest (electronics, computing... ). I keep motivated following them.

Afrotechmods do nice subtitled videos, for example. And he's very easy to understand, but his videos are scripted and take care of dubbing them.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #154 on: August 28, 2015, 06:39:45 pm »
Subtitling is really hard. My understanding is that for real-time live subtitles (such as we see on BBC News, which are actually very good in both accuracy and latency), three people are required. For non-realtime you can obvioulsy get away with fewer people, but it's an indication of the effort that has to go into it.

I am not saying it can't be done or shouldn't be - indeed, I am immensely grateful for the people who do do it (and here I'd like to make a special mention of the Parts and Vendors authors who had proper scripts for all their training videos and, when approached, provide same by return). However, the supposition was that any text is better than none, and I just wanted to point out that it isn't the case.

Specifically concerning the eevblog, though, I think it would be counterproductive to do a half-arsed version. The reason being that if there is nothing, someone might do something whereas if it already exists there is no incentive to reinvent it. Either do a proper job or let someone else do it.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #155 on: August 29, 2015, 12:52:28 am »
Presently on vacation and browsing with a Windows phone 8. Some kind of periodic refresh, approx every 5 sec, makes it almost impossible to scroll the front page. The page loads, start to scroll, reload and back to the starting position. Did not see this behavior on Firefox or Chrome on my laptops. No AdBlock or similar plugin installed on my phone.
Apart from that I kind of like the new looks of the site.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #156 on: August 29, 2015, 01:25:58 am »
real-time live subtitles

 we dont need those

However, the supposition was that any text is better than none, and I just wanted to point out that it isn't the case.

even bad speech-to-text is better for SEARCH tagging than no tagging at all. Furthermore you can pass same episode audio thru few different speech-to-text engines and automatically filter out most errors.


Specifically concerning the eevblog, though, I think it would be counterproductive to do a half-arsed version. The reason being that if there is nothing, someone might do something whereas if it already exists there is no incentive to reinvent it. Either do a proper job or let someone else do it.

Yes, just look at wikipedia!
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #157 on: August 29, 2015, 10:23:25 am »
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you can pass same episode audio thru

OK. I kind of thought Google was state of the art,  but maybe they're happy to to show off how rubbishy they can be.

Tagging pretty much random text wouldn't give your search a decent set of results. You might as well pick some episode at random and save on processing.

 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #158 on: August 29, 2015, 11:38:41 am »
My categorization idea:
I find it very difficult to find a video on YT from this forum.   For many months I did not even know there was a link at the bottom.  The very last place it should be.  Since this forum is a "canned" program, means have to be found to work within it to make links to YT.
If you please open another Tab and open this forum and follow along it would make it easier to understand what I say.  I will do the same.  Just to be sure, hit the Home button.
At the top I see a banner ad.  Below that
EEVblog Electronics Community Forum

This thread is not about the forum, the forum is not the website, they are two entirely different things.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #159 on: August 29, 2015, 11:40:10 am »
Presently on vacation and browsing with a Windows phone 8. Some kind of periodic refresh, approx every 5 sec, makes it almost impossible to scroll the front page. The page loads, start to scroll, reload and back to the starting position. Did not see this behavior on Firefox or Chrome on my laptops. No AdBlock or similar plugin installed on my phone.

Ok, first report of that, thanks. I don't have a windows phone to verify.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #160 on: August 29, 2015, 07:29:39 pm »
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Otherwise it looks good so far, the layout could be made wider, lots of free space on wide screen monitors.


My suggestion is make it the same as the forum so the size would be the same when switching back and forth

This can be done with one setting change in Wordpress

To reviewers:
It would help to include screen shots - I cannot understand many replies - see my two examples
showing the two different screen sizes 

(ps  I hope Dave does not reduce the forum page ha ha ha)

Keep up the good work Dave we all appreciate it   :-+

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #161 on: August 29, 2015, 07:39:11 pm »
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Otherwise it looks good so far, the layout could be made wider, lots of free space on wide screen monitors.
My suggestion is make it the same as the forum so the size would be the same when switching back and forth
Conventional wisdom of the typesetters of yesteryear is that a text column should be so wide that you have on average 10 words per line for best readability. You could fill the empty columns on the sides with other things (like menus) but avoid making the lines of text too long.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #162 on: October 11, 2015, 11:57:46 am »
Just trying to drag myself into the 21st century. I tried accessing the forum on my Windows phone and got a message saying "Message from Webpage   This forum is iPhone Native! Click OK to learn more about Tapatalk for iPhone."

I'm not really sure I want to do that. Why can't the website be nondenominational. I have a religious aversion to embracing things Apple.

I "know" Apple rules the smartphone world but still.  Can't I just go forward in baby steps?

And the bl**dy ThumpAWhinge abortion insists on treating my full HD tablet as if it was a tiny phone :(

Damn thing is so annoying that XKCD referred to it http://www.xkcd.com/1174/
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #163 on: February 06, 2016, 12:22:05 pm »
Will we ever see the forum design change aswell?
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #164 on: February 06, 2016, 12:40:34 pm »
Will we ever see the forum design change aswell?

It was part of the plan, but nothing has really eventuated.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #165 on: February 06, 2016, 05:01:39 pm »
Will we ever see the forum design change aswell?

It was part of the plan, but nothing has really eventuated.

I kinda got inspired :D. A bit of tweaking in a fresh tab with Chrome devtools, and I restyled the top part to begin with.

click for a slightly bigger pic


What do you think? This does however, seem to break the profile, messages and calendar dropdowns, since they are built a bit willy-nilly, but that's to be expeced, given that I had just the devtools to tinker with. I'm sure that can be avoided with a proper way to edit themes.

PS: Dave, If you want, I'd be hapy to give the rest of the forums a makeover :D. Just give me access to the theme thingy on SFM, so I can do this properly..
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #166 on: February 06, 2016, 10:33:27 pm »
Please replace the current background image with the one I attached to this post. I trimmed the image so it looks seamless when you tile it. The seams are driving me nuts. :scared:
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2016, 04:51:43 am »
Please replace the current background image with the one I attached to this post. I trimmed the image so it looks seamless when you tile it. The seams are driving me nuts. :scared:
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #168 on: February 07, 2016, 04:56:29 am »
Please replace the current background image with the one I attached to this post. I trimmed the image so it looks seamless when you tile it. The seams are driving me nuts. :scared:

Done.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #169 on: February 07, 2016, 04:59:00 am »
I kinda got inspired :D. A bit of tweaking in a fresh tab with Chrome devtools, and I restyled the top part to begin with.

click for a slightly bigger pic


What do you think? This does however, seem to break the profile, messages and calendar dropdowns, since they are built a bit willy-nilly, but that's to be expeced, given that I had just the devtools to tinker with. I'm sure that can be avoided with a proper way to edit themes.

PS: Dave, If you want, I'd be hapy to give the rest of the forums a makeover :D. Just give me access to the theme thingy on SFM, so I can do this properly.


Thanks that looks quite good.
I'm just using the standard default Curve that comes with SMF. Nothing, except the background now, is custom.
It's got to work with dropdown, as they are used by user, and more extensively by admins.
If it's available as a theme I can simply switch it over with a single mouse click.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #170 on: February 07, 2016, 07:29:43 am »
Is there a way to turn off the hokeydots?  They look silly here and I prefer it without...

Just personal preference, of course!  YMMV!  :)


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Re: New web site!
« Reply #171 on: February 07, 2016, 07:51:01 am »
Is there a way to turn off the hokeydots?  They look silly here and I prefer it without...

Sorry, it's deliberate and it's staying. It's part of integrating the look of the website.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #172 on: February 07, 2016, 09:06:29 am »
I figured out what classes I messed up with yesterday. Can confirm that I'm able to get the dropdowns working aswell! Guess, I'll set up a test environment sometime soon and get cracking?
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #173 on: February 07, 2016, 10:15:29 am »
Is there a way to turn off the hokeydots?  They look silly here and I prefer it without...
Sorry, it's deliberate and it's staying. It's part of integrating the look of the website.

Or disintegrating. That bloody image makes my eyes go squiffy, just like the RS image.

The problem is that, as someone that has been doing stereoscopic photography for >30 years (gulp), my eyes naturally "lock on" to homologous points - even when they aren't homologous. So, left eye locks onto one pimple, right eye locks onto the adjacent pimple, and ouch.

Fortunately it takes all of 10s in AdBlock Plus to remove the offending image, and all is well.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #174 on: February 07, 2016, 10:42:11 am »
Or disintegrating. That bloody image makes my eyes go squiffy, just like the RS image.

Sorry, but there will be always be complaints with any change, there will be some that don't like it, I can't please everyone.
I like it, and the website has used that images for a while now with zero complaints, so that's the new background.
 


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