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Offline westfw

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New web site!
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:43:24 pm »
Looks nice!
In the past, I was unable to see/click the video links, and now I can!
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2015, 06:48:25 pm »
Thanks. It's now up and running.
Still working through a bunch of things, and it will be slowly tweaked over the coming weeks, no not finished yet, but operational.
Please report any bugs.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2015, 06:55:25 pm »
Congratulations on the new site! Looking good :)

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2015, 07:04:15 pm »
The videos cover the menu or more specifically the Blog submenu as is it the only large one.

Don't like 'Daves Tweets': To start with the missing apostrophe is very annoying, it just displays one tweet, there appears to be a two lines of text overlap problem with at least one of the tweets and clicking on a tweet brings up a 404 error.

Otherwise it looks good so far, the layout could be made wider, lots of free space on wide screen monitors.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2015, 07:23:07 pm »
It's such a vast improvement over the old one, that I won't even bother to nit-pic small details!  Thanks for the updated look/feel.  :-+

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2015, 07:28:53 pm »
The videos cover the menu or more specifically the Blog submenu as is it the only large one.

I don't see that. The Blog submenu works just fine for me.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2015, 07:34:13 pm »
The videos cover the menu or more specifically the Blog submenu as is it the only large one.

I don't see that. The Blog submenu works just fine for me.

I just re checked it. It only happens on Internet Explorer, Chrome is fine.  There is also a scaling difference between the two browsers.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2015, 07:41:38 pm by Towger »
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2015, 07:57:47 pm »
The videos cover the menu or more specifically the Blog submenu as is it the only large one.

I don't see that. The Blog submenu works just fine for me.

I just re checked it. It only happens on Internet Explorer, Chrome is fine.  There is also a scaling difference between the two browsers.

Works fine on my ie. What version are you using?
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2015, 08:19:30 pm »
Works fine on my ie. What version are you using?

Version 11. Try putting your mouse on the on the Blog menu option.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 08:21:49 pm »
IE vs Chrome, find the differences...





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Re: New web site!
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 08:33:09 pm »
Is it just me, or does the new small favicon look a little bit ... "vaginal" ?



I can't unsee it now. Sorry :)
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2015, 08:47:48 pm »
Just to add some slightly more useful feedback ...

Maybe I'm just used to how it was before, but the orange feels weird. I guess part of the problem with that is there's still blue in the EEVBlog logo at the top, which doesn't really fit with the orange.

It's already been mentioned, but the lack of apostrophe in "Dave's Tweets" is driving me nuts.

To actually click on a tweet and get to it on twitter, you have to click on the date on the right. It would be better if you could click anywhere in that whole area to go to the currently displayed tweet.

Are tweets really so important that they have to be displayed on the top of all other content, in a box that makes it look like the most important thing on the whole page? It seems to me that it would be better to put them with the stuff on the right above links.

 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2015, 09:14:36 pm »
Just experimented with the EEVBlog logo and made the EEV part orange.
At the very least remove the square from the image with mismatched background color.






Again though, details details details. I like the new site very much!

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2015, 09:24:23 pm »
Report on the new website:

1) The site is painfully slow to load and until it completely loads scrolling down is very slow (this is with a 100 Mbs cable connection)

2) I sometimes see one line written over another in the 'Daves Tweets' section.

3) No other layout or rendering bugs seen and once the page loads everything appears to work.

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2015, 10:02:43 pm »
Well here comes the "fix this" brigade.

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2015, 10:16:26 pm »
Kind of reminds me of the joke about asking a room of 100 engineers how to do something. Your going to get 100 ways to do it.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2015, 10:24:00 pm »
Well, Ive seen worse. 
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2015, 10:38:04 pm »
looks good here, can tell they are PROfessionals   :palm:
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2015, 10:38:31 pm »
Looks good on mobile but the 'request desktop site' in chrome doesn't work
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2015, 10:56:16 pm »
1) The site is painfully slow to load and until it completely loads scrolling down is very slow (this is with a 100 Mbs cable connection)

this garbage theme uses 36 separate .js files (34 listed + youtube and imgur or something =36 total)
edit: its less than that, somehow they managed to include some of them repeatedly three times over, so its ~26 .js files + 14 .css files
that means >40 three way handshakes before it can start to render

Dave was taken for a ride by script kiddies :)
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2015, 11:10:18 pm »
Dave was taken for a ride by script kiddies :)

Can you try and not be such a dick next time?
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2015, 11:32:14 pm »
No one should expect the site to be perfect. We all know how releases are right?

My computers, tablets and phones - at home and at work, all load the site pretty quickly. The DOM starts rendering within a second and other than the async loading of thumbnails and the like the render is so quick that I don't notice it.
If the site is slow then I guess you're using a browser with a slow JS interpreter, or a very slow internet connection.

Rasz, every javascript that's included within the <body> will load after the DOM starts to render.
The site was just deployed. I would not care about things like optimize requests immediately either. Maybe they will in a few days, maybe not. Who cares?

If Dave wants to optimize requests then I'm sure the developers can configure a minifier for him, if not I'd do it for free.

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2015, 11:41:32 pm »
I've taken out a few superfluous wordpress plugins that is baggage over the years, so might work quicker now.
According to a plugin performance profiler I ran, PodPress is the plugin that takes by far the most time.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2015, 11:46:53 pm »
Looks good on desktop, though it does have a few bugs, for example:



This "about" link is obscured by a (totally useless, wtf, I have scrollbars and a home button!) "jump to top" button. I can't click it.


Mobile, on the other hand, is a shit show. It seems to be unusable on almost every mobile browser, and I'm not the only one who has found this, it's the general consensus in your IRC channel right now. Get the iNerds to test that out more, and on more than just their iPhones.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2015, 11:54:02 pm »
I guess i will never visit the Home page again. If same change will come to the Forum i will be left no options but unsubscribe.
 

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2015, 12:04:28 am »
I guess i will never visit the Home page again.

Why? What's so different from before?
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2015, 12:10:49 am »
BTW, since forum was returned to it's usual look after fixed width, some artifact appeared on 2560x1600 resolution. If I zoom a bit or narrow down the window, it disappears. The same in both Chrome and IE.

 

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2015, 12:17:54 am »
Looks good Dave.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2015, 12:30:02 am »
Why? What's so different from before?

for starters it was working before, now this is how it looks for me : https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/new-web-site!/msg735894/#msg735894


well, cant link because you used exclamation point in the post title and forum software treats it as a special character :)) :((

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https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/new-web-site!/msg735894/#msg735894
hah, link with exclamation works as a quote  |O

edit: smf exclamation mark link bug http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=495271.0
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2015, 12:58:14 am »
I like the general appearance of it :).

My complaints, which are not particularly significant, are that things 'appear' and 'disappear' such as the back to top button and the top menu. Also, some pictures dim and get an icon on them when I move my mouse over them (this is pointless and looks stupid).

Oh, and the DAVES TWEETS changes too quickly for me to be able to read them before the next one appears.

I think iNerds have done a much better job here than they have of their own website  :D.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2015, 01:00:38 am »
I really like the new layout.

It looks like the Bitlove link has disappeared, though. I always prefer to download the latest episode because YouTube is so slow and clunky. I can download it in around one minute and then not need to worry about buffering problems.
 

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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2015, 01:16:04 am »
While we are at it. ::)

What's the point of 'Buy Dave a Beer' when he does not drink alcohol, unless he has a secret taste for alcohol free Fosters...

I would suggest it is changed to 'Keep Dave in Chocolate Bars'
 

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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2015, 01:35:44 am »
Dave,
The new website format looks great! 
Thank you for everything you do.

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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2015, 02:17:53 am »
The new modern is complete without horizontal scrollbars, so I see the entire width of my browser (palemoon) taken up with the video windows and no clue at all that there is anything to the right, never mind a way to scroll over to it. Indeed, had I not seen the screencaps in this thread I would have assumed the site ended at the right edge of the videos!
 

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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2015, 03:54:13 am »
I have just tried this from my tablet and there is a few small issues. I can't select those entries with sub options that appear when the mouse hovers over it. For example the blog and shop entries
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2015, 04:06:31 am »
The menu that swishes down from the top would be annoying even if it worked correctly but for some reason it doesn't play well with Flash videos overlayed over it.
The less moving stuff there is on a website the better it is to navigate. Remember your audience. We're mostly nerds who like functional things that do what they're supposed to without extra flashiness.
 

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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2015, 04:25:06 am »
Looks nice, but now it is SLOW as hell.
 

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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2015, 04:37:16 am »
Looks great, Dave!

Haven't really noticed any speed issues here.  Though, I'm getting decent internet (for the US):  http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4597789662
Both my laptop and desktop are good gaming rigs--dunno if that's helping at all.

And as an artist, I must say I really like the background!
 

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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2015, 05:18:29 am »
I also has reasonable good speed on my connection ( http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4597891014 ), but the new site is annoyingly slow I'm sorry to say.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2015, 08:46:36 am »
And as an artist, I must say I really like the background!

I just added that one myself last night, it was part of the stock theme. I kinda like it.
 

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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2015, 08:49:38 am »
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2015, 09:39:29 am »
Why? What's so different from before?
for starters it was working before, now this is how it looks for me : https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/new-web-site!/msg735894/#msg735894

Looks fine for me on Opera.
 

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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2015, 09:53:02 am »
Looks good on desktop, though it does have a few bugs, for example:

This "about" link is obscured by a (totally useless, wtf, I have scrollbars and a home button!) "jump to top" button. I can't click it.

Ok, I've removed this.
 

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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2015, 09:59:22 am »
I've diabled "Responsiveness" on phone and tablets. Try that now. Looks like the regular website now to me on my Nexus phone.
 

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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2015, 10:01:38 am »
I guess i will never visit the Home page again. If same change will come to the Forum i will be left no options but unsubscribe.
I always say if you need to react you should not hesitate to overreact. The home page is "fresh" and "contemporary" but is slow and resource heavy in terms of continual cpu burn.

Why is it "burning the CPU" more than the old website did?
 

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« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2015, 10:10:58 am »
Just experimented with the EEVBlog logo and made the EEV part orange.
At the very least remove the square from the image with mismatched background color.

I fixed the logo colour, and added the hand logo. Looks much better now.
 

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« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2015, 10:12:27 am »
I've diabled "Responsiveness" on phone and tablets. Try that now. Looks like the regular website now to me on my Nexus phone.

Actually, sorry, had to change this back, as the Google mobile friendly test said it wasn't compatible. This is a big part of the site change, as google will now punish websites that are not mobile friendly.
https://www.google.com.au/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/
There are other mobile settings I can adjust in theme if needed, but I'm still learning what they mean.
 

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« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2015, 10:16:36 am »
What is the function of the search box? I tried "switchmode" "#110" and "eevblog" and got nothing.

Was working for me yesterday but now seems broken.

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Also as long as you have the rolling tweets you should know that on my Firefox browser if I return to the tab showing the eevblog home page it take quite a while to roll through the backlog that accumulated since I parked it. And my CPU goes to 50% whilst it does it before settling back to 2-3% between the spikes as each message rolls over.

Fine, I'll disable then and see if that makes things better for everyone.
 

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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2015, 10:23:08 am »
I actually like the way the site now works on my mobile, it's neat and tidy. Menu hidden top right and straight into the latest posts.
 

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« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2015, 10:40:17 am »
It is horribly slow, jerky, and crushes my iPhone Safari native browser. Mind I practically do not have any applications installed on my phone, I do not play games, nothing, just literally a bare OS. No, sorry, I am not "getting a better phone".

When I use my desktop, this template impedes my browsing. if it impedes my browsing I get irritated. If I get irritated I am not in a buying mood anymore. As the result, as I said before, I will not be visiting the Home page. Sorry to all the ad providers - you guys lost a customer as the result of this upgrade (I bought several times before).

Sure it is all Dave's business and he is free to do what he wants, I am not going to dispute that. Still, I do not understand what was wrong with the original site.
 

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« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2015, 10:43:54 am »
It is horribly slow, jerky, and crushes my iPhone Safari native browser. Mind I practically do not have any applications installed on my phone, I do not play games, nothing, just literally a bare OS. No, sorry, I am not "getting a better phone".

Sorry, I do not have an iPhone to test it on.
It works fine on my Android phone, near instant load, as it does in my browser as well, no slower than the old website.

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Still, I do not understand what was wrong with the original site.

The old website was not mobile compatible, that means that google now punishes websites that aren't compatible, not showing up in search results any more etc.
It also did not support drop down menus and other more flexible stuff including the shopping cart I want to use.
 

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« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2015, 10:51:22 am »
They are investigating the use of this plugin to consolidate the javascript files:
https://wordpress.org/plugins/bwp-minify/
Hopefully that will improve page load times. But like I said, it's no slower for me than the old site. On my desktop or phone.
 

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« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2015, 10:54:24 am »
Thanks. Even with a dozen eevblog tabs the CPU now flatlines down in the usual low single digits.

OK, thanks, that solves that.

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Not to want to beat up on you at this time but I think you should leave the tweets to your twitter followers.

The idea is that people might see tweet they find interesting and go follow me on twitter. Just a link doesn't do much in that respect.

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Maybe just put a static "follow Dave on Twitter" banner in place of the rolling tweets.

The old site had a static list of my last three tweets in the sidebar that loaded when the page loaded. Perhaps I can do that again.

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Although I am not on Twitter I do sometimes look at your twitter feed and it seems to me that a lot of your tweets are dominated by a photo. Which makes the text just a caption.

Yes, good point, I do tweet a lot of photos.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2015, 11:02:46 am »
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150820_RS_18FD/

10 seconds load time, 3.5mb for the front page. yep, this has to suck for people with older computers :(


Why? What's so different from before?
for starters it was working before, now this is how it looks for me : https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/new-web-site!/msg735894/#msg735894

Looks fine for me on Opera.

http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/themes/sahifa/style.css :
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#slide-out {
height: 100%;

by default aside tag "slide-out" (search bar) has a full page height declared, combine with z-index 1 and you get the result documented in my picture
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« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2015, 11:16:34 am »
10 seconds load time

It loads in well under 1 second for me.
4 seconds on my phone with just mobile reception which is very typical of websites. As fast or faster than most I visit.
 

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« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2015, 11:19:37 am »
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150820_RS_18FD/

From that same test, most of the size is images, just it's always been, so I don't think the new site is a huge amount bigger.
 

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« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2015, 11:20:23 am »
10 seconds load time

It loads in well under 1 second for me.
4 seconds on my phone with just mobile reception which is very typical of websites. As fast or faster than most I visit.

Cache, maybe? It is noticeably slow to load for me on a fresh browser, but after it's cached it's not so bad.
 

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« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2015, 11:22:41 am »
I have never used the site but may start using it... :-+

I went there with java disabled, picture below and then enabled it and refreshed, it's all good now.
 

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« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2015, 11:37:24 am »
It loads in well under 1 second for me.
4 seconds on my phone with just mobile reception which is very typical of websites. As fast or faster than most I visit.

10 sec is on a fresh browser with no cache

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150820_RS_18FD/

From that same test, most of the size is images, just it's always been, so I don't think the new site is a huge amount bigger.

-do you really really need custom fonts?
-css is a total mess right now, 12 separate files + bugs like the one with search bar 100% height. If someone goes thru them manually, prunes unused crap and consolidates into one file its going to make a lot of difference
-same for javascript
-not to mention there are 14 trackers (ghostery) :scared:
-images appear to be already optimized, you could maybe squeeze another 200-300KB converting to webp, so its rather pointless. their size and amount is another thing.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2015, 11:47:41 am »
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150820_RS_18FD/
10 seconds load time, 3.5mb for the front page. yep, this has to suck for people with older computers :(
Its more an issue of internet speed than computer speed. That said, the front page is presenting a number of videos, with a reasonable resolution image from each. Its not going to be a small page, and if you have trouble with its download speed, you probably aren't going to get very far with playing the videos anyway.
 

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« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2015, 12:13:32 pm »
Its more an issue of internet speed than computer speed. That said, the front page is presenting a number of videos, with a reasonable resolution image from each. Its not going to be a small page, and if you have trouble with its download speed, you probably aren't going to get very far with playing the videos anyway.

Oh ok, I get it now.
The old site had just the embedded video links, but the new sites has these as images that link to pages instead.
I've already asked if this can be changed back to embedded video links.
 

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« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2015, 12:44:50 pm »
Its more an issue of internet speed than computer speed. That said, the front page is presenting a number of videos, with a reasonable resolution image from each. Its not going to be a small page, and if you have trouble with its download speed, you probably aren't going to get very far with playing the videos anyway.

Oh ok, I get it now.
The old site had just the embedded video links, but the new sites has these as images that link to pages instead.
I've already asked if this can be changed back to embedded video links.

Seems that's not a good idea.
The developers said:
1. Mobile users hate this as it means they have to download the YouTube image and the multiple copies of the video player (hard for machines with limited RAM) and they may accidental start a video they did not want to watch when scrolling.
2. Google hates multiple YouTube embeds on a homepage.
3. Google dislikes it where you repeat the exact content of a post on your home page.

So it seems like the current format is best in terms of Google compatibility. So if you want to watch the
The post images don't seem to take up much bandwidth, 44KB or so each.
 

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« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2015, 12:53:13 pm »
Please get rid of the smooth scrolling. It looks nice... for the first five seconds. The it just gets annoying. On websites without that rubbish, the page scrolls with the scroll wheel, ie the page follows the scroll wheel/finger movement closely. On eevblog.com, it now feels like the page resists scrolling, as if the computer was lagging. Scrolling a longer distance down the page also becomes jerky.

Likewise, the dropdown menu has a fade/scroll in effect. Another thing that looks nice the first time but then gets annoying. Why should I wait maybe 200 ms extra for a menu to appear if I don't have to?
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« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2015, 01:00:55 pm »
Please get rid of the smooth scrolling.

I see no issues with the scrolling  :-//
 

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« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2015, 01:07:02 pm »
I see no issues with the scrolling  :-//
Maybe you're using a browser that does smooth scrolling natively so you're not noticing a difference from other pages, or maybe you're using a mouse/mousepad with a scroll function that makes this less noticeable. The js module is called "SmoothScroll for websites v1.2.1". Not sure if you had to add it manually or if it was part of the new theme by default.
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« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2015, 02:02:47 pm »
Hmmm, although I understand your motivation in terms of wanting to exploit the latest benefits of Google's search optimisation, do you have to make it so apparent that they seem to have the upper hand? Google has trancended just being a verb to some form of sentient being. It hates, it dislikes  it's alive!
OK, a bit dramatic I agree

Yes, way too dramatic.

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but it does make me wonder if you're on the right track and there isn't a better way. I have found that when you're onto something "right" the obstacles seem to fall away. It just doesn't seem to be right just yet.  Just saying. I don't know the answer. But the focus (however inadvertant or not) on meeting Google's needs just prompted the question.

I would be a fool not to have website that meets Google's requirements for SEO.
It's like people who hate Youtube and Google+ when that whole thing went down, and they told me to switch to Vimeo or something else instead. It's just an insane notion, I'd be out of business overnight, youtube is the only game in town just like Google is the only search game in town.

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I can live with the changes but it will be mostly by trying to bypass them as much as I feel I need to. Getting me off your home page asap must be a counterproductive outcome particularly if I am not alone.

Sorry, but no matter what I do, there will always be people who don't like the changes for whatever reason. It is impossible, not just hard, but actually impossible to have a website that pleases everyone and meets their needs and desires.

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Do you have current stats on what percentage of your viewers use a mobile device and how often they do if they use both mobile and PC?

I do somewhere I think, but if you don't use a mobile to view the site then it's not of a concern to you how it looks when rendered on a mobile. I actually think it works pretty well on my mobile. And now the site is mobile friendly and acceptable to Googles requirements.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2015, 02:12:23 pm »
Looks good ... and i did make few sites in my life :) .. better than before for sure.


Two small recommendations:


1) Current Video and Last Post are the same - it is basically taking the whole view of the first page with two images that are identical. So you end up displaying same info twice => real estate waste.


2) Move site options under Archives - last down on the right column. That unless you don't have that many ppls logging in ...


So far look OK to me, no visible bugs, in for Ffox and Chrome on Linux. 





 

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« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2015, 02:15:11 pm »
I've now turned Cloudflare back on with AutoMinify and RocketLoader options enabled. This should make the issues with all the Javascript files much faster.
Could take a little bit to start working.
 

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« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2015, 02:17:08 pm »
Looks good ... and i did make few sites in my life :) .. better than before for sure.
Two small recommendations:
1) Current Video and Last Post are the same - it is basically taking the whole view of the first page with two images that are identical. So you end up displaying same info twice => real estate waste.

Yeah, I know, that's kinda bugging me a little bit. Not quite sure what to do here yet. I like having the ability to feature a video like that though.
I can fiddle with all this stuff in the template, more experimentation required.
One big thing I want to do it categorise every single video and then have them available as categories. If you like teardowns, all teardowns can be listed etc.
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« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2015, 02:20:39 pm »
I've now turned Cloudflare back on with AutoMinify and RocketLoader options enabled. This should make the issues with all the Javascript files much faster.
Could take a little bit to start working.

The page is now loading practically instantly for me now. Seems much faster.
 

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« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2015, 02:25:12 pm »
Please get rid of the smooth scrolling.

Smooth scrolling is now removed.
Could still be in a cache somewhere though.
 

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Re: New web site! ---> LINKS
« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2015, 03:18:35 pm »
Links

Since this is a long post, I am not sure this has been said.

Clicking on links does not open a new tab.  It is easy to lose a site this way.  I like this forum, when you click on a link a new tab opens and you do not lose your original page.

Wordpress has an option to do it either way so it is a simple change to make
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2015, 03:39:57 pm »

For last video thing ... Here is one idea. Make the video smaller, put it on the right hand side under the facebook, twitter and youtobe counters with title Latest video and get rid of the past posts title.
Not 100% sure is gonna look good but it is an idea.
 

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« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2015, 04:00:50 pm »
Dave, the new, modernized style is très chic!

No problems on edge, IE11, chrome on my low power machine.

Windows Smartphone is also ok, I'm only missing your portrait / logo top left corner.

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« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2015, 04:05:58 pm »
Lookin' good.
 

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« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2015, 05:07:11 pm »
That "grille" pattern down the sides gave me a headache (literally :( ) within 15 seconds of seeing it. I had the same experience with the RS site. Fortunately both were easily removed using the AdBlock Plus "block image" feature. What's the source of the problem? Simple.

With real-world scenes the eyes move and focus so that images seen by each eye can be fused by the brain into a normal stereoscope image - and there is only a single eye position which allows that. If that isn't possible, the people have "double vision" that can sometimes be corrected by spectacles. I don't have such problems, and have been taking stereo pictures for, gulp, 31 years.

Where there is a repetitive "crystalline" image, there are many different eye positions that will allow the brain to mostly fuse the image, i.e. the eyes can lock onto adjacent repetitions of the pattern. Having your eyes pointing in different directions and the consequent subtle errors across the field of view is, unsurprisingly, extremely painful.

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« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2015, 05:13:14 pm »
That "grille" pattern down the sides gave me a headache (literally :( ) within 15 seconds of seeing it.

Sorry, everyone seems to like it. I like it.
 

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« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2015, 05:14:45 pm »
Windows Smartphone is also ok, I'm only missing your portrait / logo top left corner.

I have to tweak a few things I think for those new fangled smart phones, and Apple is special of course, have to upload a whole bunch of custom logo image sizes for that it seems.
 

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« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2015, 05:21:28 pm »
I clicked on the reflow video from the new main site and it starts playing at 720p, then if I click the play on Youtube from that video it also is at 720p but if I take my normal route it plays at 360p, no big deal it is probably the way you intended. https://www.youtube.com/user/EEVblog/videos

And the find chips banner halfway down on the left has no bottom border or black infill , for me on both IE and Chrome it seems to freeze whilst loading yet everything else below it looks fine, only once did it load with the full border and black infill after a about a minute and a refresh didn't help.

It just loaded but after a refresh it failed again using current Chrome, picture below....... :-//
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« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2015, 05:51:15 pm »
It just loaded but after a refresh it failed again...... :-//

This my friend, is the infamous Heisenbug. Nasty bugs they are, they alter their behavior when one attempts to study them.

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« Reply #80 on: August 21, 2015, 06:21:58 pm »
The horizontal scrollbar is back, thanks :)

But the page is fixed width (1045px). Can you revert it to dynamic, please?
 

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« Reply #81 on: August 21, 2015, 06:36:33 pm »
That "grille" pattern down the sides gave me a headache (literally :( ) within 15 seconds of seeing it.

Sorry, everyone seems to like it. I like it.

Clearly a false statement!

If you allowed you readers to choose the width that suited their display (as opposed to the site designers arrogantly defining that "what works for the designers will work for everybody"), then the problem would evaporate.

"Just say no to fixed width web pages"
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« Reply #82 on: August 21, 2015, 06:43:05 pm »
But the page is fixed width (1045px). Can you revert it to dynamic, please?

My website has never been dynamic size, always fixed.
 

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« Reply #83 on: August 21, 2015, 06:44:38 pm »
If you allowed you readers to choose the width that suited their display (as opposed to the site designers arrogantly defining that "what works for the designers will work for everybody"), then the problem would evaporate.

And create other problems.
Fixed width works well on blog based wordpress sites like mine.
That's how it's been for 6 years, and that's how it's staying I'm afraid.
 

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« Reply #84 on: August 21, 2015, 06:45:11 pm »
So no comments at all on the speed improvement?
If not then I will presume it's fixed.
 

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« Reply #85 on: August 21, 2015, 06:47:21 pm »
So no comments at all on the speed improvement?

Looks fine from here now Dave.

Edit: And from Sydney http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150821_7C_F2H/
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« Reply #86 on: August 21, 2015, 08:03:25 pm »
So no comments at all on the speed improvement?
Huge improvement.
 

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« Reply #87 on: August 22, 2015, 12:15:43 am »
But the page is fixed width (1045px). Can you revert it to dynamic, please?

My website has never been dynamic size, always fixed.

Sure, but with the previous version it didn't seem to matter because the essential stuff, as opposed to the advertising stuff, was slim on the left.
 

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« Reply #88 on: August 22, 2015, 12:20:21 am »
Not the web site per se but thr forum - has something changed there? When I click on the email notifications now I get sent to the right page but not the right position in the page. Could the cookie stuff have been affected by the new website?
 

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« Reply #89 on: August 22, 2015, 01:02:48 am »
Please get rid of the smooth scrolling.

I see no issues with the scrolling  :-//

imagine using a scope with smooth scrolling  :o

its a lot better today, you could even call it usable  :-+
css is still a mess (euphemism for garbage, but I try to be positive :P)
look at this file for example
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/bws-popular-posts/css/style.css

3 styles 250 bytes, but it adds another three way handshake and delays page load. Your site still loads FOURTEEN different stylesheets + inline CSS. 700 KB in CSS alone.

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http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/css/sociable.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/bws-popular-posts/css/style.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/contact-form-7/includes/css/styles.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/mobile-navigation/css/generated.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/simple-follow-me-social-buttons-widget/assets/css/style.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/simple-follow-me-social-buttons-widget/assets/css/icons.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/social-media-widget/social_widget.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/themes/sahifa/style.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/themes/newtonsChild/style.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/themes/sahifa/css/woocommerce.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/themes/sahifa/css/ilightbox/dark-skin/skin.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/jetpack/modules/widgets/image-widget/style.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/jetpack/css/jetpack.css
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/podpress/style/podpress.css

Then you have 'clever optimisations' like svg and FONT icons, except they are heavier than traditional gif icons because of base64 encoding  :palm:, >200 KB in icons alone, and instead of loading only a couple of ones you actually use your page forces loading ALL of them EVERY TIME ...


then there is js, size total 2.26 MB. javascript files blocking the rendering:
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http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/js/sociable.js
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/js/vuible.js
http://www.eevblog.com/.. /addtofavorites.js
http://www.eevblog.com/.. /front-widget.js
http://www.eevblog.com/wp-content/plugins/podpress/js/podpress.js


Cache expiry on most of the stuff set to 4 hours, means everyone downloads it every day every couple of hours.

The way HTTP intertubes* work:
device says 'hey'
-latency between the server and the client-
server says 'hey to you too'
-latency between the server and the client-
device says 'oh hey to your hey'
-latency between the server and the client-
device finally says 'give me goatpron.mp4'

this happens for every single separate file you fetch from the server. That is three times the latency between device and the server per file before even touching the file. Obviously caching helps, but it still adds up.


Its better today, page starts to render after 1.5-3 seconds, it could still be better.








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edit: search still doenst work, some weird/stupid plugin returns 404
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« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2015, 03:04:13 am »
this happens for every single separate file you fetch from the server. That is three times the latency between device and the server per file before even touching the file. Obviously caching helps, but it still adds up.

Doesn't your browser support  HTTP Keep Alive and Pipelining?

Both IE (11) and Chrome does, and loading the page uses 10 connections per full page reload, not one per file.
 

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« Reply #91 on: August 22, 2015, 04:04:18 am »
The speed issues for me are now fixed and I have a load time of somewhere between two and three seconds. A few MINOR cosmetic tweaks remain:

1) At the top of the page the Home button with the house icon is a little too tall and it overlaps by about 2mm on to the black area.

2) On the same line 'About' is hidden behind the search box depending on the zoom level.

3) In the bottom section 'Buy anything on Amazon & Dave gets 7%' has the text offset to the right by about 1cm.

No problems with the grill background (and I'm normally sensitive to this sort of thing as I have double vision corrected by spectacles).
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« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2015, 04:36:03 am »
then there is js, size total 2.26 MB.

Jesus Christ. JavaScript is text. Do you know how long you have to type to accumulate 2.26 MB of text?* That's just ridiculous. I thought Dave didn't like silly wanky crap that doesn't add anything useful. <voice type="Dave">Maaaaaaaarketing...</voice>

I don't even want to know how much longer it'd take me to load the page if AdBlock wasn't blocking fourteen external items.

Gah... it looks good, I'll give 'em that. I like the general style. They just seem to be impressively unskilled at the actual implementation part. They're decent designers, but they need to hire someone who knows which end of the keyboard goes up.


*I type about 100wpm on average - that's "standard" wpm where a word = 5 characters. It'd take me 284 ks = 78 hours to type it. Seriously?
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« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2015, 04:53:33 am »
Hmm... I like the design.
Though I do agree that your blueish logo doesn't really fit in there, sorry. Maybe do the change to orange(which I like very much) or maye go to a graphite-like color like your background grille(which I like as well, btw.)

One other thing: I believe(darn, I'm not even sure anymore) that the old site had your little "Spoiler links" always showing immediately on the front page. This way, to go to the forum post for a video, it's just one click and one new page load. Now, it's two clicks and two page loads. If you could get at least the forum link back to the frontpage, I'd appreciate it very much.

Speed is perfectly acceptable for me in Germany, both on Android via Mobile Internet and on my Desktop.

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« Reply #94 on: August 22, 2015, 05:24:38 am »
I don't even want to know how much longer it'd take me to load the page if AdBlock wasn't blocking fourteen external items.

Gah... it looks good, I'll give 'em that. I like the general style. They just seem to be impressively unskilled at the actual implementation part. They're decent designers, but they need to hire someone who knows which end of the keyboard goes up.

For added fun, use Ghostery, NoScript and PrivacyBadger as well. The site immediately becomes unusable, even if you allow scripts from the eevblog domain itself. Ghostery discards 8 nasty trackers, NoScript blocks JS from 12 additional external sites, and PrivacyBadger  drops 9 additional cookies from external sites.

All in all, the new site is a job well done to make it utterly unusable for people that care a bit about their security and privacy.

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« Reply #95 on: August 22, 2015, 05:41:31 am »
Both IE (11) and Chrome does, and loading the page uses 10 connections per full page reload, not one per file.

10 connections, ~140 separate objects

HTTP Keep Alive and Pipelining?

sorted by number of objects:
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eevblog.com
ads.supplyframe.com
pagead2.googlesyndication.com
fls-na.amazon-adsystem.com
pixel.mathtag.com
images.ads.supplyframe.com
s.gravatar.com
tpc.googlesyndication.com
apis.google.com
search.supplyframe.com
analytics.supplyframe.com
media.supplyframe.com
cm.g.doubleclick.net
google-analytics.com
ssl.google-analytics.com
cdn.flashtalking.com
googleads.g.doubleclick.net
z-na.amazon-adsystem.com
aax-us-east.amazon-adsystem.com
paypal.com
fonts.gstatic.com
s0.wp.com
cdnjs.cloudflare.com
servedby.flashtalking.com
keysight.com
stats.wp.com
ad.doubleclick.net
eevblog.disqus.com
a.disquscdn.com
paxinstruments.com
pixel.wp.com
cse.google.com
fonts.googleapis.com
picotech.com
google.com
ajax.googleapis.com
ak1s.abmr.net
saelig.com

43 Bytes 1 pixel spying beacon from paypal.com is one of my fav
btw 1/4 of site size comes from ONE saelig banner :bullshit:
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« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2015, 05:49:03 am »
WTF! I just typed in a LONG message explaining exactly what's wrong, clicked browse to attach screen caps, and the bloody message was GONE. The forum has changed, and not for the good :(

To recap (and I'm typing this once only - if it goes again it's too much hassle to help you out):

The three screencaps are:

Max - browser maxed.
Min-left - browser not-maxed as normal
min-right - min-left scrolled to the right

You can spot the problem with the youtube windows, particularly give the top one is playing. The old site never did that.

Next, on clicking 'new' in the forum I go to the right page, but always at the top. It's a drap scolling down trying to find the first new post, particularly on a busy thread. I'm losing the will to keep doing that.

Next, clicking the attached picture to a post used to make the picture bigger, but now just pops it  up on a blank page. The old way was better because you could read the message and see the other pictures at the same time you looked at the big one, but now it is view the picture OR read the text OR see another picture.

Some of this may be caused by the need to let google run its scripts: gstatic maybe? Cloudflare? (no, it seems to be Supplyframe) Makes no difference to me: the blighters are blocked and it is too much hassle temporarily allowing them on here just to make your now broken site work like it used to. No way are they going to be allowed a perma-unblock (which on earth do you think I use noscript and the like).
 

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« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2015, 08:35:27 am »
WTF! I just typed in a LONG message explaining exactly what's wrong, clicked browse to attach screen caps, and the bloody message was GONE. The forum has changed, and not for the good :(

The forum has not changed in any way.
 

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« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2015, 08:38:30 am »
But the page is fixed width (1045px). Can you revert it to dynamic, please?
My website has never been dynamic size, always fixed.
Sure, but with the previous version it didn't seem to matter because the essential stuff, as opposed to the advertising stuff, was slim on the left.

The ads are exactly the same size in exactly the same location as before  :-//
 

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« Reply #99 on: August 22, 2015, 08:42:30 am »
43 Bytes 1 pixel spying beacon from paypal.com is one of my fav
btw 1/4 of site size comes from ONE saelig banner :bullshit:

The Saelig banner has not changed, same as before, no one ever noticed it nor complained about it.
And it's only 84KB. Where do you get 1/4 of the site size from?  :-//
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« Reply #100 on: August 22, 2015, 08:44:42 am »
Gah... it looks good, I'll give 'em that. I like the general style. They just seem to be impressively unskilled at the actual implementation part. They're decent designers, but they need to hire someone who knows which end of the keyboard goes up.

They did not write it, it's an off-the-shelf Wordpress plugin called Sahifa.
 

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« Reply #101 on: August 22, 2015, 08:51:35 am »
But the page is fixed width (1045px). Can you revert it to dynamic, please?
My website has never been dynamic size, always fixed.
Sure, but with the previous version it didn't seem to matter because the essential stuff, as opposed to the advertising stuff, was slim on the left.

The ads are exactly the same size in exactly the same location as before  :-//

As you can see from the screenies, they are if you're using a browser window wider than the fixed width of the page. Which, presumably, would include you since you want to see your website at its finest, right? Try with a narrower window.

I am not aware that I said the adverts had changed. It's the page layout that has, isn't it? Are you honestly telling me that messing around with  the page code won't affect anything placed on that page? What's the point of doing it then?
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #102 on: August 22, 2015, 08:55:25 am »
FYI, I'm getting an eternal throbber on the forum today.  Like it never finishes loading.  Not sure what the holdup is, it looks full and normal to me.  Just an annoyance I guess?

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #103 on: August 22, 2015, 08:55:55 am »
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As you can see from the screenies, they are if you're using a browser window wider than the fixed width of the page. Which, presumably, would include you since you want to see your website at its finest, right? Try with a narrower window.

I don't get. it's a fixed width website, just like the old one. On a big (normal desktop/laptop) monitor like my 1920x1080 I get the bars down the side of the page just like before. On a smaller res monitor you get less of the bars.

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I am not aware that I said the adverts had changed. It's the page layout that has, isn't it? Are you honestly telling me that messing around with  the page code won't affect anything placed on that page? What's the point of doing it then?

All I've done is changed Wordpress themes, and I think it's a fraction wider fixed width. Nothing else has really changed.
 

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« Reply #104 on: August 22, 2015, 08:56:38 am »
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FYI, I'm getting an eternal throbber on the forum today.

What is an "external throbber".
No other complains, forum works fine for me.
 

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« Reply #105 on: August 22, 2015, 08:59:27 am »
I don't even want to know how much longer it'd take me to load the page if AdBlock wasn't blocking fourteen external items.

The number of ads and their location etc has not changed from the old site.
 

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« Reply #106 on: August 22, 2015, 09:01:47 am »
What is an "external throbber".
No other complains, forum works fine for me.
I've seen that too during the day. The page looks fully loaded and functional, but the browser still shows that is is not fully loaded. This is gone right now.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #107 on: August 22, 2015, 09:05:16 am »
What is an "external throbber".
No other complains, forum works fine for me.

External throbber might be some excitement for the missus... :-DD

"Throbber" being the spinny "please wait while the page loads" icon / animation, in Chrome specifically.

Hmm, seems to be an ABP quirk.  Sometimes it says "waiting for eevblog.com", others "waiting for adblock"?  Nevermind, I guess.

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« Reply #108 on: August 22, 2015, 09:19:30 am »
I don't even want to know how much longer it'd take me to load the page if AdBlock wasn't blocking fourteen external items.

The number of ads and their location etc has not changed from the old site.

No, but the irritation level of having to load them in addition to shovelfuls of JS has.
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Re: New web site! --->>> screen size does not fit
« Reply #109 on: August 22, 2015, 09:23:33 am »
Web page does not fit my screen size on a Dell laptop  1366x768

It is very rare this happens with other sites

I have to scroll left and right to see the page
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« Reply #110 on: August 22, 2015, 09:48:12 am »
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All I've done is changed Wordpress themes, and I think it's a fraction wider fixed width. Nothing else has really changed.

C'mon Dave - you're supposed to be a whizz at trouble shooting. Things are different now and the only thing that's changed is your theme. So you reckon the problem is somewhere else, or the theme is just like the old one?

Another thing that's changed is that now I need to allow cloudflare.com scripts in order to see the smileys and editing toolbars when commenting. Before the change, just allowing eevblog.com was enough. Nothing's changed here (seriously, nothing has changed here) but you have a new theme. That coincidence is being stretched rather thinly, I reckon.

 

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« Reply #111 on: August 22, 2015, 09:48:37 am »
No, but the irritation level of having to load them in addition to shovelfuls of JS has.

Is the load time a problem? or are you just offended by the size of it?
No one seems to be complaining about the speed any more.
Sorry about the size, but that's just the way it is with this template, and likely many of the big full featured Wordpress templates.
We had to pick something, so it is what it is.
Perhaps unused modules can be identified and removed, but that's about it.
 

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Re: New web site! --->>> screen size does not fit
« Reply #112 on: August 22, 2015, 09:50:31 am »
Web page does not fit my screen size on a Dell laptop  1366x768

How is this possible when the site is only 1045 pixels wide?
 

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« Reply #113 on: August 22, 2015, 09:56:51 am »
Another thing that's changed is that now I need to allow cloudflare.com scripts in order to see the smileys and editing toolbars when commenting. Before the change, just allowing eevblog.com was enough. Nothing's changed here (seriously, nothing has changed here) but you have a new theme. That coincidence is being stretched rather thinly, I reckon.

I've turned off RocketLoader on Cloudflare, see if that makes a difference. Might take a little bit to re-cache.
 

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« Reply #114 on: August 22, 2015, 10:17:05 am »
No, but the irritation level of having to load them in addition to shovelfuls of JS has.

Is the load time a problem? or are you just offended by the size of it?

Of course it's not a problem, who visits a home page? I've never gone to eevblog.com except /forum or to quickly check something... It's just daft, who needs 2MB of JavaScript to deliver content? If this were an application, sure, but content?

Obviously it doesn't hurt me, and I suppose I'll forget about it soon enough... but for now, I can't help but think it makes you look a bit silly :P
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« Reply #115 on: August 22, 2015, 10:26:23 am »
Of course it's not a problem, who visits a home page? I've never gone to eevblog.com except /forum or to quickly check something... It's just daft, who needs 2MB of JavaScript to deliver content? If this were an application, sure, but content?

Thanks, I can now ignore your comments as a non-user of the website.

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Obviously it doesn't hurt me, and I suppose I'll forget about it soon enough... but for now, I can't help but think it makes you look a bit silly :P

I don't care.
A lot of people say they like the upgrade.

Please, constructive feedback only on real issues that effect the usability of the site.
 

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« Reply #116 on: August 22, 2015, 10:30:18 am »
What is an "external throbber".
No other complains, forum works fine for me.

"Throbber" being the spinny "please wait while the page loads" icon / animation, in Chrome specifically.

Hmm, seems to be an ABP quirk.  Sometimes it says "waiting for eevblog.com", others "waiting for adblock"?  Nevermind, I guess.

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Spot on, I was getting it and chrome kept cycling, but I could still read the posts so it was no big deal to me. It's all good.
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« Reply #117 on: August 22, 2015, 11:00:06 am »
43 Bytes 1 pixel spying beacon from paypal.com is one of my fav
btw 1/4 of site size comes from ONE saelig banner :bullshit:

The Saelig banner has not changed, same as before, no one ever noticed it nor complained about it.
And it's only 84KB. Where do you get 1/4 of the site size from?  :-//

Hah, that must of been something on saelig side few hours ago
from automated scan log:
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http://www.saelig.com/images/saeligeev250.gif is resized in HTML or CSS from 750x750 to 250x250. Serving a scaled image could save 467.9KiB (88% reduction).

they were serving you 750 pixel version under 250 pixel link when I ran eevblog thru analysers, I even opened it in new window and it was indeed >500KB at the time :o

btw is it me or is it supposed to look like that when you click on one news item?:
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« Reply #118 on: August 22, 2015, 11:14:02 am »
Of course it's not a problem, who visits a home page? I've never gone to eevblog.com except /forum or to quickly check something... It's just daft, who needs 2MB of JavaScript to deliver content? If this were an application, sure, but content?

Thanks, I can now ignore your comments as a non-user of the website.

Because there's no way someone who doesn't use something regularly could have a valid opinion on it. I should keep that in mind when watching you review some "heap o' shit" multimeter that's not within the usual class of multimeters you'd use anyway.
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Re: New web site! --->>> screen size does not fit
« Reply #119 on: August 22, 2015, 11:46:42 am »
Web page does not fit my screen size on a Dell laptop  1366x768

How is this possible when the site is only 1045 pixels wide?

I have no idea ?  But maybe someday you can do a video on it.

The number came from my Control Panel and I tried this site

http://www.whatismyscreenresolution.com/

and it reported the same - see pic

Also included is a full screen pic - notice the scroll bar at the bottom

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« Reply #120 on: August 22, 2015, 04:54:34 pm »
Web page does not fit my screen size on a Dell laptop  1366x768

How is this possible when the site is only 1045 pixels wide?

He probably has the browser display size (or Windows) set to more than 100%.  I have this problem in work with old dears phoning support as there are "no buttons to click on the bottom of the screen".  It is always old dears the screen is question is about 720 and chances are their monitor is 1080....

Thanks for changing the Beer to Chocolate.  I gave it a try yesterday and it appeared to work without any problems.

So how about adding some armchair commenters/expert emoticons to the forum
 
 

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« Reply #121 on: August 22, 2015, 05:21:42 pm »
Another thing that's changed is that now I need to allow cloudflare.com scripts in order to see the smileys and editing toolbars when commenting. Before the change, just allowing eevblog.com was enough. Nothing's changed here (seriously, nothing has changed here) but you have a new theme. That coincidence is being stretched rather thinly, I reckon.

I've turned off RocketLoader on Cloudflare, see if that makes a difference. Might take a little bit to re-cache.

That's back to how it was, thanks - I just hit quote and everything is there as it should be.

And jumping to new messages goes to the actual message rather than just the page, so that's two things sorted  :-+
 

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« Reply #122 on: August 22, 2015, 05:27:02 pm »
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He probably has the browser display size (or Windows) set to more than 100%.

I bet this is it.  Sorry.  All the time I hit Ct-- and Ct+

Is there a setting that sets it to 100%

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« Reply #123 on: August 22, 2015, 06:04:22 pm »
Web page does not fit my screen size on a Dell laptop  1366x768

I tested it on my Dell 1366x768 laptop screen and no problems at all on Chrome and Firefox.
Sure you don't have webpage zoom enabled?
 

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« Reply #124 on: August 22, 2015, 06:08:02 pm »
Hah, that must of been something on saelig side few hours ago
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they were serving you 750 pixel version under 250 pixel link when I ran eevblog thru analysers, I even opened it in new window and it was indeed >500KB at the time :o

Yikes, ok, thanks. Don't want that happening. If they want to host images themselves then I have to trust them not to do silly stuff like that.
If I serve ads locally then I check that stuff when uploading it and compress/change format if required.
 

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« Reply #125 on: August 22, 2015, 06:10:22 pm »
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He probably has the browser display size (or Windows) set to more than 100%.

I bet this is it.  Sorry.  All the time I hit Ct-- and Ct+

Is there a setting that sets it to 100%

thanks

Assuming Firefox: Ctrl+0 (that's zero). Or View -> Zoom -> Reset. Or click the shitty menu on the right of the toolbar and click 100%.
 

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« Reply #126 on: August 22, 2015, 06:13:27 pm »
btw is it me or is it supposed to look like that when you click on one news item?:

Yes, it's supposed to do that, but of course it looks crap. I'll either have to disable that or modify it so it doesn't waste that space.
The template has option for this stuff, so easy to change.
 

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« Reply #127 on: August 22, 2015, 06:24:28 pm »
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Assuming Firefox: Ctrl+0 (that's zero)

Holy crap now I cannot read it  :-DD

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« Reply #128 on: August 22, 2015, 06:30:11 pm »
The developer checked into the javascript sizes:

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When I look (using Chrome inspection tools - telling you so you can recreate the test on your end) I get a total of 1.5MB on a download allowing the cache to operate. Of this 576KB is comprised of .js files and 14.2KB is style related.
If I empty my cache and hard reload it then I am still only up to 1.2MB so I have no idea where the 2.6MB is coming from. I tried to work out a way to make this happen but could not.
If I filter the results to JavaScript files with the word player in them then I find they 811KB of the 1.2MB remains. That is roughly 70% of the downloads are video / sound related.
The finding above is consistent with the Sahifa template page which shows < 100kb of minified JavaScript to support the page - even after emptying the cache and hard reloading (check at http://themes.tielabs.com/sahifa/).
My conclusion from this that we are not talking about a bloated template.

I believe that 70% images matches the pie chart posted earlier from the analysis.

So everything seems fine with this template. There are just a lot of images on my site, always has been.
 

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« Reply #129 on: August 22, 2015, 06:47:10 pm »
Some proof that the Sahifa wordpress theme we are using doesn't suck. In fact it's faster than the stock install Wordpress theme.
I hope that's put that one to bed.
https://www.maxcdn.com/blog/performance-review-10-popular-wordpress-themes/

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« Reply #130 on: August 22, 2015, 11:10:15 pm »
Some proof that the Sahifa wordpress theme we are using doesn't suck.

Something seems fishy with the exact theme that _you_ have on the EEVBlog main page. The original as seen on http://themes.tielabs.com/sahifa/ works just fine when i enable JavaScript only for tielabs.com (In fact, that is the only JS source it wants). Even with no JS at all it looks somewhat usable. Plus, it doesn't want a shitload of JS from external sites, places no nasty trackers, etc.

However, the EEVBlog main site is virtually unusable and unreadable, even with JS allowed for eevblog.com, google.com, ytimg.com and youtube.com. See screenshots below.

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« Reply #131 on: August 22, 2015, 11:34:31 pm »
However, the EEVBlog main site is virtually unusable and unreadable, even with JS allowed for eevblog.com, google.com, ytimg.com and youtube.com. See screenshots below.



No one else has reported seeing anything remotely like that.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #132 on: August 23, 2015, 12:26:54 am »
However, the EEVBlog main site is virtually unusable and unreadable, even with JS allowed for eevblog.com, google.com, ytimg.com and youtube.com. See screenshots below.



No one else has reported seeing anything remotely like that.

And something seems to have changed just now. Before, i got this list in NoScript:



Plus 8 items blocked by Ghostery, and 9 items blocked by PrivacyBadger.

Now i get this list in NoScript:



And only 7 items blocked in Ghostery as well as PrivacyBadger. Plus, the page is now usable. Hope it lasts...

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Re: New web site! --->>> Screen size FYI
« Reply #133 on: August 23, 2015, 06:22:24 am »
Hi

Just FYI pictures   Just interesting the zoom bar disappears in the last pic

The first picture is normal zoom -  interesting that you cannot see the video - it is below the
Related Articles because the widths conflict.

1 st pic - no zoom
2 nd Pic - CTRL + 
3 rd Pic - CTRL +   

4 th Pic -  CTRL +   scroll bar appears 

5 th Pic - CTRL +    scroll bar gets bigger
6 th Pic - CTRL +    scroll bar Disappears

Summary - when I look at the forum in the largest size without bar and switch to the web page there is a scroll bar -  so I think the two have different screen resolutions.  Does not bother me, just curious because of my original mistake.
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Re: New web site! --->>> Screen size FYI
« Reply #134 on: August 23, 2015, 08:53:02 am »
Just FYI pictures   Just interesting the zoom bar disappears in the last pic

this is "normal", as in responsive design is supposed to make all the content fit on your screen regardless the resolution and zoom level
obviously  this implementation is not exactly optimal, but moving right panel down is something that is suppose to happen
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #135 on: August 26, 2015, 03:51:47 pm »
However, the EEVBlog main site is virtually unusable and unreadable, even with JS allowed for eevblog.com, google.com, ytimg.com and youtube.com. See screenshots below.



No one else has reported seeing anything remotely like that.

I can only guess that the iNubs (The Bestest Web Designers) have changed something.

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #136 on: August 26, 2015, 04:16:36 pm »
Random Video? FFS

Even better, it's updated daily. Why daily? I've seen today's "random" video, so apparently this feature is useless to me for the day. Are they not even able to write <?php rand(1, N) ?> !?
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #137 on: August 26, 2015, 04:20:56 pm »
They just customized a template. They're not web devs. They've probably never written a line of anything in their lives. Of course they can't.

The iNerds are basically that kid you know who "knows some HTML", and happen to have a somewhat decent eye for design.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #138 on: August 26, 2015, 04:53:51 pm »
They just customized a template. They're not web devs. They've probably never written a line of anything in their lives. Of course they can't.

The iNerds are basically that kid you know who "knows some HTML", and happen to have a somewhat decent eye for design.
That's crazy if true. It's like someone assembling Ikea furniture and calling themselves a "carpenter", even though they can't use a saw or a drill.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #139 on: August 26, 2015, 04:57:56 pm »
Even better, it's updated daily. Why daily? I've seen today's "random" video, so apparently this feature is useless to me for the day. Are they not even able to write <?php rand(1, N) ?> !?

I added that page, they didn't write anything for it.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #140 on: August 26, 2015, 04:59:48 pm »
c4757p please leave this thread, you are no longer welcome here when you insult people who have worked hard to build me a new website.
I warned before but you did not listen. It will no longer be tolerated.

To All Others: Please, only constructive posts about the new website. Anything else will be deleted.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #141 on: August 27, 2015, 05:20:53 am »
c4757p please leave this thread, you are no longer welcome here when you insult people who have worked hard to build me a new website.
I warned before but you did not listen. It will no longer be tolerated.

To All Others: Please, only constructive posts about the new website. Anything else will be deleted.

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #142 on: August 27, 2015, 09:25:08 am »
To All Others: Please, only constructive posts about the new website. Anything else will be deleted.

How about observing that the front page still shows the same video twice, and that once you click through to any article the video itself is still pushed down 'below the fold' by the related articles?  Having the site's entire raison d'être - the actual content - demoted to second place by cramped design strikes me as the sort of weird compromise you might call 'a bit how-ya-doing' if you encountered similar in a piece of gear during a teardown, so I'm not sure if that counts as constructive or not!
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #143 on: August 27, 2015, 09:35:34 am »
I added that page, they didn't write anything for it.

Genuinely sorry.

How about observing that the front page still shows the same video twice, and that once you click through to any article the video itself is still pushed down 'below the fold' by the related articles?  Having the site's entire raison d'être - the actual content - demoted to second place by cramped design strikes me as the sort of weird compromise you might call 'a bit how-ya-doing' if you encountered similar in a piece of gear during a teardown, so I'm not sure if that counts as constructive or not!

I suspect that the reason the videos are "below the fold" is because loading up 15 video embeds would involve a huge amount of bandwidth and lag, each video is 300kB or so. Google+ uses a workaround where it shows a lightweight thumbnail, but when you click it, it replaces itself with a video on autoplay. So the download of all that video player code is delayed until you actually click the video, and you don't need to go out to a separate page. Details on how to do this are at this link: http://www.labnol.org/internet/light-youtube-embeds/27941/
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #144 on: August 27, 2015, 09:53:54 am »
How about observing that the front page still shows the same video twice, and that once you click through to any article the video itself is still pushed down 'below the fold' by the related articles?

I suspect that the reason the videos are "below the fold" is because loading up 15 video embeds would involve a huge amount of bandwidth and lag, each video is 300kB or so.

Yes, but I'm talking about the individual video pages - once you click on one in the 'latest posts' list.  I see a page with the video title, the usual few lines of blurb, then a ruddy great blank space because the video is shoved down the page by the 'related articles' links on the right.  It just seems peculiar that they're given greater priority in the layout than the actual content the user has clicked on to view.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #145 on: August 27, 2015, 10:26:37 am »
When on this page

http://www.eevblog.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

I was not able to get back to the main page - there is no link to Home
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #146 on: August 27, 2015, 01:01:53 pm »
How about observing that the front page still shows the same video twice, and that once you click through to any article the video itself is still pushed down 'below the fold' by the related articles?

I suspect that the reason the videos are "below the fold" is because loading up 15 video embeds would involve a huge amount of bandwidth and lag, each video is 300kB or so.

Yes, but I'm talking about the individual video pages - once you click on one in the 'latest posts' list.  I see a page with the video title, the usual few lines of blurb, then a ruddy great blank space because the video is shoved down the page by the 'related articles' links on the right.  It just seems peculiar that they're given greater priority in the layout than the actual content the user has clicked on to view.


https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/new-web-site!/msg737307/#msg737307

btw is it me or is it supposed to look like that when you click on one news item?:

Yes, it's supposed to do that, but of course it looks crap. I'll either have to disable that or modify it so it doesn't waste that space.
The template has option for this stuff, so easy to change.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #147 on: August 27, 2015, 09:10:48 pm »
When on this page
http://www.eevblog.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
I was not able to get back to the main page - there is no link to Home

That's because the Wiki has nothing to do with the Wordpress site at present.
i know that needs to change too.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #148 on: August 27, 2015, 09:27:28 pm »
I suspect that the reason the videos are "below the fold" is because loading up 15 video embeds would involve a huge amount of bandwidth and lag, each video is 300kB or so.

Yes. As I mentioned before, the old web main page that had 5 embedded videos on it in each post is (so the developers tell me) bad design and will be punished by google in the ranking. Google doesn't like more than one embedded video per page, hence the new layout of having an image and short description with the link, and only the latest highlighted video on the main page.
This of course leads to the conundrum of having the latest embedded video, and then the exact same image from the blog post below it.
The old site would just show a test blog post if it was was my last entry. So now it's better having a videos always right at the top under the menu ready to play, because, well, this is a video blog after all.

Yes, but I'm talking about the individual video pages - once you click on one in the 'latest posts' list.  I see a page with the video title, the usual few lines of blurb, then a ruddy great blank space because the video is shoved down the page by the 'related articles' links on the right.  It just seems peculiar that they're given greater priority in the layout than the actual content the user has clicked on to view.

Fixed. I just changed that in the template settings, easy.

Next major step is going though at categorising every single video, so they can be sorted on the menus etc. Big job, perhaps for David2.
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #149 on: August 28, 2015, 11:07:36 am »
When I try to use the search function I only get a "404 not found" error message (sorry if it's already been mentioned, I only skimmed through the tread.)

It would be nice with a way to search through all the episode descriptions (and possibly tags), that would make it easy find all episodes related to a certain topic or item. But maybe the search function is intended to do just that?

EDIT: Other than that the new site looks great
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #150 on: August 28, 2015, 11:57:17 am »
Next major step is going though at categorising every single video


even bad speech-to-text is better than no annotation
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #151 on: August 28, 2015, 09:07:21 pm »
Next major step is going though at categorising every single video


even bad speech-to-text is better than no annotation

Really? Do you ever watch YouTube videos with auto-captions showing? I'm deaf and can't hear anything at all, yet I play most videos with subtitles disabled because they have zero meaningful content but get in the way of what you're watching, and when they're not doing that they're just distracting.

And, come to think of it, not-so-bad speech-to-text is actually worse than the really bad stuff, because it can tell you someone said something they didn't and you wouldn't know. You want to try watching TV news with real-time subtitles sometimes - it's a good job libel laws don't apply!
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #152 on: August 29, 2015, 04:08:38 am »
My categorization idea:

I find it very difficult to find a video on YT from this forum.   For many months I did not even know there was a link at the bottom.  The very last place it should be.  Since this forum is a "canned" program, means have to be found to work within it to make links to YT.

If you please open another Tab and open this forum and follow along it would make it easier to understand what I say.  I will do the same.  Just to be sure, hit the Home button.

At the top I see a banner ad.  Below that

EEVblog Electronics Community Forum

Under that is info and links.  Any links to YT in this area would be mixed in with other links and be small font and not good.  Next

Electronics 

And this is where I want to start.  Under Electronics is Beginners.  (I will call this a section title)

When I first come to the Main Forum page, I can see Beginners.

My suggestion is to add a section title above Beginners right under Electronics.  The title of this new section to be "EEVblog Youtube Videos"  (or something similar)

In this section  one or a few posts that have sorted links to the videos.

One method of sorting in the post is using the "Playlisit"  and one sort could be by number.  Other ways to sort could be found.

This post would have to be locked and controlled only by Dave or his representative.  This would not be a discussion page only a page of links.

This sort of setup would allow someone to get from this forum to a selected video in a couple of clicks.   Being at the top it would be seen by everyone.

For example:
Say I am deep inside a topic and while reading Reply No. 74 I want to see if Dave has a related video.  I hit Home - EEVblog Youtube Videos - Playlist

(I do not know if it would take 3 or 4 hits to get to the playlist) 

This can also be done to find his main site and sections of it.   Twitter and Facebook - I do not know.

This way we could search around both his YT channel and Main Site via this Forum.

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #153 on: August 29, 2015, 04:21:32 am »
Next major step is going though at categorising every single video


even bad speech-to-text is better than no annotation

Really? Do you ever watch YouTube videos with auto-captions showing? I'm deaf and can't hear anything at all, yet I play most videos with subtitles disabled because they have zero meaningful content but get in the way of what you're watching, and when they're not doing that they're just distracting.

And, come to think of it, not-so-bad speech-to-text is actually worse than the really bad stuff, because it can tell you someone said something they didn't and you wouldn't know. You want to try watching TV news with real-time subtitles sometimes - it's a good job libel laws don't apply!

I'm not sorry why, but automatic YouTube captioning sometimes works better than expected. Depending on the accent and such, they are quite correct.

I would like to be able to fix them for my preferred electronics videos, but it seems doesn't provide this kind of crowdsourcing feature. There are some tools out there, I and others already posted about this on the forum.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/subtitle-for-eevblog-multiple-languages/


https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/eevblog-videos-had-better-add-english-subtitle/

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/dave-add-some-subtitles-to-your-videos/msg149168/#msg149168

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/international-sections-spanish-french-japanese-chinese/msg645993/#msg645993

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/transcripts/msg399782/#msg399782

There's some subtitles in Polish...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-317-pcb-tinning-myth-busting/msg165414/#msg165414

http://www.amara.org/en/videos/0LhxB9LXw8py/info/eevblog-373-multimeter-input-protection-tutorial/

We could use Amara.org. Dave could configure it, we do the crowdsourcing effort of transcription and syncing subtitles ;)

If there's interest, we could do a formal proposal to Dave and ask if more people would be interested in it.

I'm bad at listening English, formal English classes bore me a lot. But my English listening are improving by watching subtitled videos of my topics of most interest (electronics, computing... ). I keep motivated following them.

Afrotechmods do nice subtitled videos, for example. And he's very easy to understand, but his videos are scripted and take care of dubbing them.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #154 on: August 29, 2015, 04:39:45 am »
Subtitling is really hard. My understanding is that for real-time live subtitles (such as we see on BBC News, which are actually very good in both accuracy and latency), three people are required. For non-realtime you can obvioulsy get away with fewer people, but it's an indication of the effort that has to go into it.

I am not saying it can't be done or shouldn't be - indeed, I am immensely grateful for the people who do do it (and here I'd like to make a special mention of the Parts and Vendors authors who had proper scripts for all their training videos and, when approached, provide same by return). However, the supposition was that any text is better than none, and I just wanted to point out that it isn't the case.

Specifically concerning the eevblog, though, I think it would be counterproductive to do a half-arsed version. The reason being that if there is nothing, someone might do something whereas if it already exists there is no incentive to reinvent it. Either do a proper job or let someone else do it.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #155 on: August 29, 2015, 10:52:28 am »
Presently on vacation and browsing with a Windows phone 8. Some kind of periodic refresh, approx every 5 sec, makes it almost impossible to scroll the front page. The page loads, start to scroll, reload and back to the starting position. Did not see this behavior on Firefox or Chrome on my laptops. No AdBlock or similar plugin installed on my phone.
Apart from that I kind of like the new looks of the site.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #156 on: August 29, 2015, 11:25:58 am »
real-time live subtitles

 we dont need those

However, the supposition was that any text is better than none, and I just wanted to point out that it isn't the case.

even bad speech-to-text is better for SEARCH tagging than no tagging at all. Furthermore you can pass same episode audio thru few different speech-to-text engines and automatically filter out most errors.


Specifically concerning the eevblog, though, I think it would be counterproductive to do a half-arsed version. The reason being that if there is nothing, someone might do something whereas if it already exists there is no incentive to reinvent it. Either do a proper job or let someone else do it.

Yes, just look at wikipedia!
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #157 on: August 29, 2015, 08:23:25 pm »
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you can pass same episode audio thru

OK. I kind of thought Google was state of the art,  but maybe they're happy to to show off how rubbishy they can be.

Tagging pretty much random text wouldn't give your search a decent set of results. You might as well pick some episode at random and save on processing.

 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #158 on: August 29, 2015, 09:38:41 pm »
My categorization idea:
I find it very difficult to find a video on YT from this forum.   For many months I did not even know there was a link at the bottom.  The very last place it should be.  Since this forum is a "canned" program, means have to be found to work within it to make links to YT.
If you please open another Tab and open this forum and follow along it would make it easier to understand what I say.  I will do the same.  Just to be sure, hit the Home button.
At the top I see a banner ad.  Below that
EEVblog Electronics Community Forum

This thread is not about the forum, the forum is not the website, they are two entirely different things.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #159 on: August 29, 2015, 09:40:10 pm »
Presently on vacation and browsing with a Windows phone 8. Some kind of periodic refresh, approx every 5 sec, makes it almost impossible to scroll the front page. The page loads, start to scroll, reload and back to the starting position. Did not see this behavior on Firefox or Chrome on my laptops. No AdBlock or similar plugin installed on my phone.

Ok, first report of that, thanks. I don't have a windows phone to verify.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #160 on: August 30, 2015, 05:29:39 am »
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Otherwise it looks good so far, the layout could be made wider, lots of free space on wide screen monitors.


My suggestion is make it the same as the forum so the size would be the same when switching back and forth

This can be done with one setting change in Wordpress

To reviewers:
It would help to include screen shots - I cannot understand many replies - see my two examples
showing the two different screen sizes 

(ps  I hope Dave does not reduce the forum page ha ha ha)

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #161 on: August 30, 2015, 05:39:11 am »
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Otherwise it looks good so far, the layout could be made wider, lots of free space on wide screen monitors.
My suggestion is make it the same as the forum so the size would be the same when switching back and forth
Conventional wisdom of the typesetters of yesteryear is that a text column should be so wide that you have on average 10 words per line for best readability. You could fill the empty columns on the sides with other things (like menus) but avoid making the lines of text too long.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #162 on: October 11, 2015, 10:57:46 pm »
Just trying to drag myself into the 21st century. I tried accessing the forum on my Windows phone and got a message saying "Message from Webpage   This forum is iPhone Native! Click OK to learn more about Tapatalk for iPhone."

I'm not really sure I want to do that. Why can't the website be nondenominational. I have a religious aversion to embracing things Apple.

I "know" Apple rules the smartphone world but still.  Can't I just go forward in baby steps?

And the bl**dy ThumpAWhinge abortion insists on treating my full HD tablet as if it was a tiny phone :(

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #163 on: February 06, 2016, 11:22:05 pm »
Will we ever see the forum design change aswell?
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #164 on: February 06, 2016, 11:40:34 pm »
Will we ever see the forum design change aswell?

It was part of the plan, but nothing has really eventuated.
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #165 on: February 07, 2016, 04:01:39 am »
Will we ever see the forum design change aswell?

It was part of the plan, but nothing has really eventuated.

I kinda got inspired :D. A bit of tweaking in a fresh tab with Chrome devtools, and I restyled the top part to begin with.

click for a slightly bigger pic


What do you think? This does however, seem to break the profile, messages and calendar dropdowns, since they are built a bit willy-nilly, but that's to be expeced, given that I had just the devtools to tinker with. I'm sure that can be avoided with a proper way to edit themes.

PS: Dave, If you want, I'd be hapy to give the rest of the forums a makeover :D. Just give me access to the theme thingy on SFM, so I can do this properly..
 

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Re: New web site!
« Reply #166 on: February 07, 2016, 09:33:27 am »
Please replace the current background image with the one I attached to this post. I trimmed the image so it looks seamless when you tile it. The seams are driving me nuts. :scared:
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« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2016, 03:51:43 pm »
Please replace the current background image with the one I attached to this post. I trimmed the image so it looks seamless when you tile it. The seams are driving me nuts. :scared:
+1  :-+ Yes please!
 

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« Reply #168 on: February 07, 2016, 03:56:29 pm »
Please replace the current background image with the one I attached to this post. I trimmed the image so it looks seamless when you tile it. The seams are driving me nuts. :scared:

Done.
 

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« Reply #169 on: February 07, 2016, 03:59:00 pm »
I kinda got inspired :D. A bit of tweaking in a fresh tab with Chrome devtools, and I restyled the top part to begin with.

click for a slightly bigger pic


What do you think? This does however, seem to break the profile, messages and calendar dropdowns, since they are built a bit willy-nilly, but that's to be expeced, given that I had just the devtools to tinker with. I'm sure that can be avoided with a proper way to edit themes.

PS: Dave, If you want, I'd be hapy to give the rest of the forums a makeover :D. Just give me access to the theme thingy on SFM, so I can do this properly.


Thanks that looks quite good.
I'm just using the standard default Curve that comes with SMF. Nothing, except the background now, is custom.
It's got to work with dropdown, as they are used by user, and more extensively by admins.
If it's available as a theme I can simply switch it over with a single mouse click.
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« Reply #170 on: February 07, 2016, 06:29:43 pm »
Is there a way to turn off the hokeydots?  They look silly here and I prefer it without...

Just personal preference, of course!  YMMV!  :)


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« Reply #171 on: February 07, 2016, 06:51:01 pm »
Is there a way to turn off the hokeydots?  They look silly here and I prefer it without...

Sorry, it's deliberate and it's staying. It's part of integrating the look of the website.
 

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« Reply #172 on: February 07, 2016, 08:06:29 pm »
I figured out what classes I messed up with yesterday. Can confirm that I'm able to get the dropdowns working aswell! Guess, I'll set up a test environment sometime soon and get cracking?
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« Reply #173 on: February 07, 2016, 09:15:29 pm »
Is there a way to turn off the hokeydots?  They look silly here and I prefer it without...
Sorry, it's deliberate and it's staying. It's part of integrating the look of the website.

Or disintegrating. That bloody image makes my eyes go squiffy, just like the RS image.

The problem is that, as someone that has been doing stereoscopic photography for >30 years (gulp), my eyes naturally "lock on" to homologous points - even when they aren't homologous. So, left eye locks onto one pimple, right eye locks onto the adjacent pimple, and ouch.

Fortunately it takes all of 10s in AdBlock Plus to remove the offending image, and all is well.
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« Reply #174 on: February 07, 2016, 09:42:11 pm »
Or disintegrating. That bloody image makes my eyes go squiffy, just like the RS image.

Sorry, but there will be always be complaints with any change, there will be some that don't like it, I can't please everyone.
I like it, and the website has used that images for a while now with zero complaints, so that's the new background.
 

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« Reply #175 on: February 07, 2016, 09:43:58 pm »
I figured out what classes I messed up with yesterday. Can confirm that I'm able to get the dropdowns working aswell! Guess, I'll set up a test environment sometime soon and get cracking?

If you have a theme I can just install then it's easy to do an A/B switch and test it live and see what people think.
I wouldn't want to make any changes without using a proper theme.
 

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« Reply #176 on: February 07, 2016, 10:22:47 pm »
I figured out what classes I messed up with yesterday. Can confirm that I'm able to get the dropdowns working aswell! Guess, I'll set up a test environment sometime soon and get cracking?

If you have a theme I can just install then it's easy to do an A/B switch and test it live and see what people think.
I wouldn't want to make any changes without using a proper theme.

No theme yet, as I'd have to build that first :D. There is a way, however to do the theme development on the eevblog live system - clone the default theme into a new one, but not set the new one as default during development, therefore people who want to test it, would have to manually change their theme from their settings page, any any1 else would still get the default. Once done, the new theme could then be set as the default for everyone.
 

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« Reply #177 on: February 07, 2016, 10:49:42 pm »
« Last Edit: February 07, 2016, 11:53:30 pm by Dave »
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« Reply #178 on: February 07, 2016, 11:00:53 pm »
No theme yet, as I'd have to build that first :D. There is a way, however to do the theme development on the eevblog live system - clone the default theme into a new one, but not set the new one as default during development, therefore people who want to test it, would have to manually change their theme from their settings page, any any1 else would still get the default. Once done, the new theme could then be set as the default for everyone.

Should be possible to install SMF locally and simply clone the Curve theme and modify and save as a new one?
 

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« Reply #179 on: February 07, 2016, 11:02:56 pm »
Why not use the same theme as the main server? What am I missing here?

One uses Wordpress, the other uses Simple Machines forum. Entirely different programs, they don't share the same themes.
To make the forum look similar to the website it all has to be done manually, every little thing needs to be edited to look the same.
 

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« Reply #180 on: February 08, 2016, 12:09:56 am »
No theme yet, as I'd have to build that first :D. There is a way, however to do the theme development on the eevblog live system - clone the default theme into a new one, but not set the new one as default during development, therefore people who want to test it, would have to manually change their theme from their settings page, any any1 else would still get the default. Once done, the new theme could then be set as the default for everyone.

Should be possible to install SMF locally and simply clone the Curve theme and modify and save as a new one?

should be. I'll try that, XAMPP's been acting weird.. will try in the evening(GMT+2)
 

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« Reply #181 on: February 08, 2016, 01:20:33 am »
Or disintegrating. That bloody image makes my eyes go squiffy, just like the RS image.
...
Fortunately it takes all of 10s in AdBlock Plus to remove the offending image, and all is well.

Lol, that's exactly what I did.  Adblock Plus' filtering to the rescue once again....

If we don't get a choice in theme, at least I can still block that nasty, noisy, distracting image at this end.  :)

Since I only ever visit the forum part of the website directly, I hadn't noticed how horrible it looks until now.
 

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« Reply #182 on: February 08, 2016, 01:29:51 am »
A question: how many of you actually use the collapse arrow top-right?
It's an ugly image and servers next to no purpouse. I'd personally remove it, but if any1 finds it useful, I'll just change it to a sharper one.
 

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« Reply #183 on: February 08, 2016, 02:11:24 am »
A question: how many of you actually use the collapse arrow top-right?
It's an ugly image and servers next to no purpouse. I'd personally remove it, but if any1 finds it useful, I'll just change it to a sharper one.

Only unwittingly, and then had to ask how to recover :(

I hate light text on a slightly darker background, in a small font. Classic example is supermarket pasta, where there's one piece of information you need: the cooking time. Of course it is on the back, writ small, in uncontrasting colours. Yes Sainsburys, I'm thinking of you.

Make it more obvious, preferably with some text so we don't have to guess what it might or might not mean.
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« Reply #184 on: February 08, 2016, 02:17:31 am »
One uses Wordpress, the other uses Simple Machines forum. Entirely different programs, they don't share the same themes.
To make the forum look similar to the website it all has to be done manually, every little thing needs to be edited to look the same.

Don't bother. We're not here for the "branding experience".

You aren't peddling Snickers/Marathon ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snickers ) nor Jif/Cif ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/4257582/Jif-a-suitable-case-for-treatment.html ).

Resist the opportunity to donate to "branding executives' " pensions :)
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« Reply #185 on: February 08, 2016, 06:28:18 am »
A question: how many of you actually use the collapse arrow top-right?
I do and keep it collapsed all the time. Otherwise actual content starts below the first screen. That's a lot of scrolling and looking at the same static (and mostly useless) information every time.
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« Reply #186 on: February 08, 2016, 08:10:56 am »
A question: how many of you actually use the collapse arrow top-right?
It's an ugly image and servers next to no purpouse. I'd personally remove it, but if any1 finds it useful, I'll just change it to a sharper one.

 Ha, never even noticed that until I read this. I've given up on computer displays less than 1080 high so the difference in space makes no real difference to me. I even (at my own expense) replaced the LCD in my work laptop with the higher res model because it was too darn small.

 

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« Reply #187 on: February 08, 2016, 10:01:33 am »
I've given up on computer displays less than 1080 high so the difference in space makes no real difference to me.
You probably have a fast Internet connection as well, so you won't mind if each page refresh came with a 1 MB picture of a kitten?

Simply because you have resource, does not mean you need to waste it. Won't you like to see more useful information on your upgraded monitor? Is not upgrade just to see the same amount as you used to is a sign of bloat?
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« Reply #188 on: February 08, 2016, 10:59:18 am »
Simply because you have resource, does not mean you need to waste it. Won't you like to see more useful information on your upgraded monitor? Is not upgrade just to see the same amount as you used to is a sign of bloat?

What's the problem?
The forum is using the same 95% screen width utilisation setting it always has for the last 5 years. Nothing has changed.
 

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« Reply #189 on: February 08, 2016, 11:01:47 am »
What's the problem?
No new problems here.

This discussion is about that big collapsible header on top of each page. As long as it stays this way, we are OK.
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« Reply #190 on: February 08, 2016, 12:27:45 pm »
 Maybe we're not talking about the same thing - when I click that arrow in the upper right, the header collapses by one bold font line that says "Hello <username>" and 3 normal text lines with 2 links to unread and new replies and the third line is the date and time. And a slight amount of white space.
 Hmm, let me see what happens in another browser. Nope, same thing in Chrome. Maybe it's because I use adblock and I don't see the huge ad at the top.


 

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« Reply #191 on: February 08, 2016, 07:07:50 pm »
one bold font line ... and 3 normal text lines ...  And a slight amount of white space.
We are talking about the same thing. I know my username already. None of this information is particularly interesting and extra space is annoying.

So I keep this thing collapsed all the time.

Ideally, I'd like to read the entire forum in print mode all the time. Just the useful information and no extra junk.
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« Reply #192 on: February 08, 2016, 11:06:20 pm »
Quote
I know my username already

That can be useful info - if it doesn't appear you are not logged in, and maybe if it says someone else you should be a bit circumspect.
 

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« Reply #193 on: February 08, 2016, 11:58:58 pm »
 Oh I'm all for simplifying things with short or non-existent CSS and a nice plain well-formatted text layout. I hate HTML emails. Yes, I'm one of those old "get off my lawn" kind of guys I guess - I am not a huge fan of how HTML has become the medium of delivery for all sorts of content including video now. It's like computers - ever notice that even the latest servers with quad 10 core CPUs take just as long to boot as an old original IBM PC XT? The internet is like that - you get a faster connection but it takes just as long to load a page as id did under dialup because the page has a zillion graphical elements and what would be a 1K text file in notepad is a 50MB HTML.
 Heck my first computer had a whopping 91 instructions. I STILL remember most of them, but a modern processor? Forget ever programming it in assembly. x86 has more than 91 instructions just to add two numbers.
 

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« Reply #194 on: February 09, 2016, 05:57:12 am »
Why not use the same theme as the main server? What am I missing here?

One uses Wordpress, the other uses Simple Machines forum. Entirely different programs

Are we safe from the latest TeslaCrypt ransomeware Wordpress vulnerability that encrypts user data and which i am reading all over the Net?
 

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« Reply #195 on: February 18, 2016, 12:07:07 pm »
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Re: New web site!
« Reply #196 on: February 18, 2016, 04:37:07 pm »
I am struggling to search thru previous blogs and hoping someone can help me search for past CRO reviews, first impressions etc.

I am sure this was easier in the past, but now it seems you only get 5 previous blogs per screenful.  I thought in the past there was all the previous blogs with a brief description of each Blog.

The search feature gives me Error 404.

The "videos" drop down sub menu list is still not populated (I would remove it if it is never going to be finished)

The search forum options returns a massive number of un-related hits.

The http://www.eevblog.org/video/ is useful albeit a little too terse.

Any pointers much appreciated.


 

 
 


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