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OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« on: September 05, 2013, 06:24:13 am »
Dave rants about the 2013 Australian federal election this weekend, September 7th.
It's all about the National Broadband Network, how bat shit crazy Tony Abbot's policies are, how the Senate might be the only hope for the future of the country, and how Wikileaks will throw a spanner in the works.
Check your Senate voting preferences here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2013/guide/gtv/

 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2013, 06:45:31 am »
Don't know much about Ozzie politics Dave but you could not be more correct that we need to instill the fear of the populace in the government.

For years it has been about playing the voters off each other to where people become so 'in the bag' for their chosen party that they literally get angry at the other party.

A 3rd, 4th and 5th viable party is what we all need, so that each party can think intelligently about issues rather than just taking the opposite stance to the other party is on any given issue.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2013, 07:16:38 am »
Hi Dave,

Nice speech. We here in Slovakia have a long (relatively) history of going for the lesser evil in the end, unfortunately, the last time the greater evil prevailed. And yeah, slowly not really good stuff is happening more often. And your comment on sheeple applies here as well   >:( Mind you - I don't know enough about Australian politics to judge who the lesser evil would be there.

We're years/decades from anything like your National Broadband Network (neat idea).

I agree with Corporate, that the government needs some serious fear of the general population - right now here we have corrupted bastards on so many layers of the government that it makes me sick. And what's being done (or rather what's NOT being done) will lead eventually (if something serious is not done) to a shitstorm of epic proportions.

Good luck in Australia!

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A 3rd, 4th and 5th viable party is what we all need, so that each party can think intelligently about issues rather than just taking the opposite stance to the other party is on any given issue.
In the last elections here, 26 political parties were available, 6 made it into the parliament (got more than 5% of voters), one with 44%, the other five divided 36% preferences amongst them. We have the opposite problem - too many parties - in the end you'll still choose between a side that precisely addresses your specific set of opinions (but has less than, say, 1%) and a party that's broadly in your general set of opinions, but has an actual chance of getting to some power (say, 6%). The lesser evil.

And that's not mentioning that a lot of the winning parties are the same kind of %&@*$#!, just with a different logo.

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2013, 07:34:50 am »
A 3rd, 4th and 5th viable party is what we all need, so that each party can think intelligently about issues rather than just taking the opposite stance to the other party is on any given issue.

That's what go the liberal party into the mess it's in on the NBN.
They couldn't say scrap it because they know everyone wants better internet. But they couldn't agree with current governments (technically perfect) FTTH solution, because, well, that's not good politics, so they were forced to come up with some stupid half arse policy of FTTN that costs almost as much.
Rather than the sensible solution of, "we'll do the exact same NBN, but we'll manage the cost better" or something like that.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2013, 07:52:40 am »
I count myself lucky - got the NBN 3 weeks ago.  :) :) 100/40
But that was after 3 years of crappy copper over 4Km from an exchange 2.8mb down and 300k up on a good day. ( much less when it rained)
This is a new-ish estate -  but shitty old copper in the ground, all spare pairs faulty or worse that what I had - believe me I hounded Telstra who promised to fix it - nothing.
Sorry but that what happens - the are a sharemarket listed company - only  motive is max profit

I am IT pro for a medical imaging practice and do lot of work at night It sucked as side from the speed I had constant VPN drop outs.

The NBN is infrastructure for growth, this country dies on the vine without it. The one far sighted thing the US did was build freeways - infrastructure of the age of mass production. Most of the world is now an information/ service economy. An NBN is the infrastructure of today's world .
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2013, 08:11:17 am »
As an outsider, obviously infrastructure is very important for a countries development, education & business. How can any one get in their minds that 25Mbit anno 2013 is 'fast'? We have middle-sized internet ISP subscription here for like 10 years, and have been getting 20Mbit since 2005. |O |O |O
Upload however, was like 0.5Mbit though.

However, in the Netherlands we have retarded politics as well. I guess I was repeating my self there, as politics carries the meaning of 'retarded' on it's own.
Last dutch elections were marginally won by the Liberal party won and formed a cabinet with their greatest rival: The Labor Party.

Jolly! So we now have worst of both worlds. Income leveling + gov budget cuts. Ministers constantly being corrected after a couple of days for their opinions, because they 'did not fit the cabinets statement' :palm:
Moreover, what's equivalent to 'a sensate' consists greatly of parties that are in the opposition. Result: constant party hugging from the cabinet with opposition parties. "Would you please vote yessss?"

Some column writers say that Belgium is better of than Netherlands, although it had no 'active' government for over a year. In the netherlands we seem to do everything opposite of good. If we need to invest in the economy, we cut gov budget. If we need to invest in education, we will cut into bursary of all students. Etc.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2013, 09:21:00 am »
I find it funny the Wikileaks party retweeted my video, but it's now been removed. I guess someone higher up didn't want to be associated with my rant  :-//
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2013, 10:12:29 am »
Ok, WTF, my election rant video I uploaded 4 hours ago is now the #1 search result on Youtube (out of 3,810,000 results) for the search term "election".
Wow  :o
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2013, 10:21:46 am »
Ok, WTF, my election rant video I uploaded 4 hours ago is now the #1 search result on Youtube (out of 3,810,000 results) for the search term "election".
Wow  :o

here's hoping it sinks in. couple of hours ago Libs announced an internet filter policy - a few minutes ago Turnbull said it was a mistake. Didn't Abbott actually say last election he'd do anything but sell his arse to get in ? hmmm For sale signs up everywhere

 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2013, 10:33:57 am »
here is to hoping it hits no.1, then you'll really be needing all that extra bandwidth  :-DD

great work dave
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 11:31:12 am »
As for the Senate, if you don't like the preferences of any party, vote below the line numbering every box.

http://belowtheline.org.au explains it  - note the ballot editor feature
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2013, 12:18:53 pm »
Ok, WTF, my election rant video I uploaded 4 hours ago is now the #1 search result on Youtube (out of 3,810,000 results) for the search term "election".
Wow  :o
It's a sign. You should go into politics.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2013, 12:23:09 pm »
hahaha, replacing old copper with new copper.  That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

They installed fiber to the cabinet then used VDSL2 over old copper for the last 100m in NZ as a temporary fix a few years back.
Replacing the last 100m with fiber to the home is going to take a long time but at least they have started.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2013, 12:33:17 pm »
They installed fiber

It will be 2050 before I see any fiber to my house, I live in the country, I could stack dead bodies in the front lawn and nobody would notice for weeks.

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2013, 12:42:00 pm »
I have found simple solution for not having fast enough internet, that is moving where I can get fast internet. If phone/internet company has already ran fibre and the house has modern wiring, it is just simple plug and play. I could pay more or less in rent (depends how you look at it) for some place which only has ADSL2+ capability or sometimes not even that. I know this not an option for everyone because of <insert excuse here>, but for everyone else it might be worth it, if you want it really bad. 

It's always the same thing when people are promised new things, talk is cheap. Atleast people get their hope, some people wait for the second coming of Jesus Christ, others wait for their fast internets.

I still remember that crappy adsl at the end of 5km line, on the good days speeds were 4Mbit down and the line was stable. On the bad days, which was half of the year, it was dropping consistently because water was getting into connections. I remember getting my courage together and calling the internet provider, they just said that nothing can be done.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2013, 12:52:07 pm »
We're years/decades from anything like your National Broadband Network (neat idea).

I was shocked when I arrived to Sydney five years ago -- $50 per month for slow (several mbits) and data limited (like 20GB/50G peak / off peak) ADSL. Back home, in Slovakia, I had 100mbit or 1gbps at home or work respectively (both 1:50 aggregation).  Anyway, Slovakia is always in top 10: http://go.bloomberg.com/tech-blog/2012-04-19-whos-fastest-google-measures-web-speeds-around-the-world/
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2013, 07:06:18 pm »
KRudd is a UN puppet and Abbot is a fool.

Great range of choice there.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2013, 09:27:41 pm »
Few things dave didn't mention.

FTTN draws more power, each node eats up a new set of SLA batteries every 3 years (heat kills them), the nodes don't like flood water*.
The copper solution is going to cost more the maintain, up the 10 times more, even the current $1 billion a year maintenance budget doesn't keep up.

By comparison FTTH only uses electronics in the home and the exchange, the much smaller cabinets (bar fridge size) contain patch cables and don't even need cooling fans.

Abbott's so called solution is the most insidious form of government waste, specifying an out of date solution that isn't practical in the real world, when spending a few dollars more would be cheaper for everyone in the long run. Most the phone technicians and engineers want FTTH, the remainder like the Liberal plan as they will make more money fixing up all the scrap that passes for the current cables.

* see Telstra's own queensland flood photo collection for flooded or near flooded nodes (aka CMUX)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/telstra-corp/sets/72157625841011142/
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2013, 09:31:51 pm »
This is what happens when accountants who read a white paper and then google for 30 minutes for information  then make decisions
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2013, 12:52:08 am »
Dave,
thank you for speaking out and standing up for a future not returning to the past.

 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2013, 12:53:34 am »
I was shocked when I arrived to Sydney five years ago -- $50 per month for slow (several mbits) and data limited (like 20GB/50G peak / off peak) ADSL.

Huh. I'd feel right at home with that. :(
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2013, 01:22:48 am »
Ok, WTF, my election rant video I uploaded 4 hours ago is now the #1 search result on Youtube (out of 3,810,000 results) for the search term "election".
Wow  :o
Lets hope it gets picked up by main stream media and played on telly... Although highly unlikely. Make you wonder if somebody at google (vested interest?) shot it to the top
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2013, 01:44:34 am »
Make you wonder if somebody at google (vested interest?) shot it to the top

Nope, it's just the ridiculously complicated youtube algorithm doing it's thing.
It knows elections are topical news, so ranks recent ones higher.
It knows my channel is reputable and long standing and producing frequent content, so ranks it higher.
It knows my video has been getting X hits/minute consistently for the last X hours, and X comments/minute so ranks it higher as being more "popular".
Plus lots of other magic secret sauce.
It all adds up to my video becoming #1
This actually happens all the time with my videos, but in this case I was rather surprised because of the incredibly generic search term and that there is so much other recent content out there.
It's now at #6 for "election" though.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2013, 02:07:25 am »
I feel so helpless in seeing these events unfold and not a thing I can do about it and as such I want to sincerely thank you for that video :-+

I just don't understand this policy as it goes against their mantra of building a stronger economy and the main stream media not doing their job and picking them up on it.
The level of infuriation in this matter has risen to a point where I can no longer watch the news without getting indigestion :palm:
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2013, 02:33:40 am »
I feel so helpless in seeing these events unfold and not a thing I can do about it

Yep, we have just one vote and one voice, including the shepple.
Resigned to that fate, I'd feel better if Abbott had at least one or two worthwhile policies, at least something that would make me feel like the next 3 years won't be all downhill. But I haven't found a single glimmer of hope yet... :palm:  |O  :(
I seriously can't understand why anyone would vote for him apart from the "I'm sick of labour" vote.
This says it all really:
http://dontbeafuckingidiot.com/
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