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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2013, 03:19:48 am »
I seriously can't understand why anyone would vote for him apart from the "I'm sick of labour" vote.
This is the thing I don't get. Why hasn't labour and anyone else, for that matter, pointed out the we have not had a true labour government for the past three years. The people elected a hung parliament which was held together by support from minor parties. As such claims of broken promises and lies are unfounded. Its like being upset with an elected member of the opposing party for policies being brought in by the ruling party and then calling that opposition member a liar and breaking promises because he/she was elected :palm:

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This says it all really:
http://dontbeafuckingidiot.com/
This pdf on that web site
http://dontbeafuckingidiot.com/MediaStatement.pdf
If the guy isn't making the harassment up it should be front page news... Here are the liberals espousing the virtues of freedom of speech with regards to inflammatory coverage of the labour campaign, whilst in the background they have their minions working hard to supress  true freedom of speech. To suggest that web page would be torn down if names, addresses and phone numbers were not given up is astonishing and seems to me to indicate what we have to look forward to
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2013, 03:47:42 am »
But then again,it's only 3 years!
At the present rate of rollout,nothing much will happen anyway.

On a related vein,I've wanted to put the following out somewhere:

What Kevin Rudd won't do if he wins the Election:-

He won't appoint himself Prime Minister for life.

He won't send people who oppose him to the Gulags.

He won't "stop the boats".

What Tony Abbott won't do if he wins the Election:-

He won't appoint himself Prime Minister for life.

He won't send people who oppose him to the Gulags.

He won't "stop the boats".

On balance,we are better off than many countries. ;D

What if Clive Palmer holds the balance of power in the Senate,or Pauline Hanson?
 

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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2013, 04:03:27 am »
But then again,it's only 3 years!
I swear I heard something along those lines when Howard got in :)
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2013, 04:12:19 am »
I'm actually more concerned about us committing to yet another war in the middle east... Though it's quite clear that the outcome of this election isn't going to make any difference there.
 

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2013, 05:40:49 am »
But then again,it's only 3 years!
I swear I heard something along those lines when Howard got in :)

Or Bob Menzies! ;D
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2013, 06:12:31 am »
Governments world wide are such a mess today and the problem won't be solved until people stop thinking about today and start thinking about the future. 
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2013, 08:29:21 am »
Only 25Mbps? I'd kill for 25Mbps.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2013, 09:12:48 am »
I'm actually more concerned about us committing to yet another war in the middle east... Though it's quite clear that the outcome of this election isn't going to make any difference there.

Already committed as far a Syria is concerned I'm afraid  :(

AUSTRALIA will stand alongside the United States on military strikes on Syria with Australian spies now confirming the Syrian regime?s use of chemical weapons on civilians.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/australian-spies-confirmed-chemical-use-on-civilians-by-syrian-regime/story-fnihslxi-1226712499077
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2013, 11:59:51 am »
From here in NZ the coverage of the AU elections has basically been comprised of "unfortunately Kev doesn't have a chance, but eh, Abbot's got a wife from Wainuiomata, so perhaps hell will freeze over and our expats over there will get a fair go".

Unfortunately it appears to me, and did right from the get go, that Gillard held on too long, for Kevin Rudd to have pulled Labor up to an election winning form in such a ridiculously short period of time was always going to be a feat not short of miraculous.

If he'd rolled her successfully a year ago they could have pulled things together to present a better (in the terms of the public, more stable) option than Abbot, but a couple months - impossible, the unwashed masses must still see Labor as a powder-keg of instability, at least subconsciously; they've gone from "party in a shambles, no confidence, replace the pm" straight into "hey, vote for us again".

Unfortunately for Kevin Rudd, I think his... self confidence... has been his personal undoing, what he should have done was sit on his hands and left Julia Gillard to lose this election, then when she did, "you have failed, I'll take the job of leading the opposition" and spend the next few years rebuilding credability.

As it is now, if (when?) they lose, I can't see him keeping the leadership through to the next election.


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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2013, 01:02:26 pm »
Two things.


what he should have done was sit on his hands and left Julia Gillard to lose this election, then when she did, "you have failed, I'll take the job of leading the opposition" and spend the next few years rebuilding credability.



He would never go back to being an opp leader after being a PM. It's just not done here. Once you've held the high office, you don't have to do anything since we keep our PM's on good pay forever.

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As it is now, if (when?) they lose, I can't see him keeping the leadership through to the next election.

Looks like he will lose his seat to a very  aggressive candidate so the whole thing ends tomorrow. Bye bye Rudd. Nice knowing ya.

 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2013, 01:03:01 pm »
Only 25Mbps? I'd kill for 25Mbps.

yeah, down here, 25mbps is just to the closets DMUX then all bets are off
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2013, 02:48:23 pm »
Dave, what your country really needs (and mine maybe even more) are politicians that have more knowledge about technology and don't get fooled by lobbyists.

Here are just a few examples of government driven projects in Germany:

In the early 90s in the former GDR fibre was brought to almost every house but due to the lack of technology or its price, it could not be used. Later on they did not even get ISDN or DSL because the remaining copper lines still laying in the streets were too bad. What a fail...  :--

Few years ago, I think it was 2008 the federal government promised to bring broad band internet (it was defined as 10MBit+ AFAIR) to every home (95%+). So they forced the big telcos by forbidding them to expand their broadband connections in the cities unless 95% were covered by 10MBit+. I was having 1Mbit in a small town and could be lucky because others had only 384Kbit and I thought "Yeah! I'm getting a faster connection." I don't know if our politicians were just too stupid - it definitely can't be because of a lack of lawyers in politics - but they did not include the word "flatrate" in their law. So in the end the "smart" telcos brought "broadband" by just upgrading their cell towers in smaller towns and countryside regions to LTE. So right now you can get LTE with up to 100Mbits in almost every village while you do not get it in bigger towns. Isn't that beautiful? No politician and certainly not the telcos mind that there is no flatrate and 30GB/month cost 80€ while 30GB is the most you can get.  |O

Two years ago in my home town in the middle of nowhere in the west of Germany, the local government started a project with surrounding towns to bring broadband internet (25Mbit+) to every home. They did not define by what technology and just wanted to make a tender. Just a few weeks after they started the project the Deutsche Telekom, our ex state owned telco, announced that they had a new technology, called vectoring that would allow much higher bandwidth (100Mbit+) with the existing copper infrastructure and so the project was scrubbed.  :--

Vectoring is a technology that lowers the cross talk by regarding the whole wiring harness. The only problem is that at least in bigger towns and cities this harness is not owned by one company alone because in addition to the Deutsche Telekom other companys have their distribution boards in those white boxes and the Telekom is forced to rent their infrastructure to their competitors. In smaller towns and villages that is usually not the case because the competitors are not interested in installing extra distribution hardware for so few customers. The problem is that the Deutsche Telekom says they would need to take back the control over the whole harness to implement vectoring while the competitors of course do not want that at all because they fear that the Deutsche Telekom becomes a monopolist again. So what happens? Nothing. Vectoring could be at least implemented in those small towns but it will not until they have found a compromise for the whole country. What a bummer...

Right now I really must not complain because I just moved to a bigger town and I've got 100Mbit via cable for 25€ and I could even get 150Mbit. But if I visit my parents at home there is no such thing like full-HD youtube videos unless I wait for hours and it makes me angry not to be able to watch even 480p without lagging. In the future I will definitely not move anywhere where I can not get a proper broadband connection (whatever it will be like then) and I think that owners who let their houses or appartments will think about it, when young people ask for the speed of the internet and then say:"I really love the appartment but 1Mbit is definitely too slow." In the future having a slow internet connection will be like having a non-paved road to your home nowadays. Not always impossible but never really comfortable.

In my opinion the problem with slow internet connections will go on in every country until the politicians have realiced that the internet is the infrastructure of the 21st century like electricity had been in the late 19th and early 20th century. In Europe the baltic states show that there is a huge return on invest. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia have the fastest average speed and the highest coverage of broadband connections in europe and so it's no wonder that for example Skype was founded by Estonians.

Although being interested in politics I have to admit I did not even know the name of one australian politician (I only knew who is the de facto head of state  ;) ) but I wish for your country to get smart politicians after the election who know what they're doing and doing it right.

 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2013, 04:56:04 pm »
My father gets less than 2Mbps although he does live reasonably in the country.
My brother get about 4Mbps - he lives in this small little tiny place called London.

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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2013, 05:39:34 pm »
There are two major problems with democracy, the first is that the people making the decisions on who should win aren't knowledgeable enough to make those decisions and the second is that the skills required to get elected are completely different from the skills required to do the job.

Now that democracy is so mature, we've run into a third issue of career politicians and until we ban people that want to be politicians from being politicians we're going to suffer.


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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2013, 07:25:56 pm »
Only 25Mbps? I'd kill for 25Mbps.

Are you crappin me!!  25 Mbs is way beyond the reach of most consumers in the UK?   I am surprised.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2013, 07:48:48 pm »
Only 25Mbps? I'd kill for 25Mbps.

Are you crappin me!!  25 Mbs is way beyond the reach of most consumers in the UK?   I am surprised.

You can get those speeds if you have cable or splash out for optical fiber. The majority of the UK is based on copper and very old copper at that. I get about 18Mbps and I don't know anyone on copper that gets close. As I said earlier, by my brother lives in London and gets 4Mbps if luck. As he lives in flats, they won't do fiber or cable broadband to his flat
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2013, 08:24:32 pm »
FTTN draws more power, each node eats up a new set of SLA batteries every 3 years (heat kills them), the nodes don't like flood water*.
The copper solution is going to cost more the maintain, up the 10 times more, even the current $1 billion a year maintenance budget doesn't keep up.

By comparison FTTH only uses electronics in the home and the exchange, the much smaller cabinets (bar fridge size) contain patch cables and don't even need cooling fans.

The technology mostly used for FTTH is PON (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network for more details). And talking about water there's a surprising problem with glass fiber, it's not water proof. Yes, that's right! Over time the glass would resorb some water and change it's optical characteristics. First the transmission performance is degraded and then the fiber becomes unusable.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2013, 10:50:22 pm »
i belive in the anarcho-capitalism and liberalism, the death of state this is the solution - imho, but how the peoples will to do it is other problem (big problem).

I live in a socialism/comunism country that follow the cuban method, i'm really scared with the brazilian government and the politics not represent the peoples.

Really bad situation in my country and tomorrow have a protest (fight against the police).

bandwidth in socialism country

3g (not have 4g) = 100 kbps lol - represent 50% of connections
internet spot in rich places = up to 30 Mbps - represent 15% of connections
internet spot in poor places = 1 mbps up to 10 Mbps - represent 25% of connections
10% not have internet, for example amazonia jungle.

import taxes in socialism country = 78%

note: nothing is made/development in my country, all is imported.

I would be very happy if i can live with my family and friends on the liberal country.

singapure
hong-kong
australia
chile
sweden
canada
usa
etc
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2013, 12:46:24 am »
Interesting to read the policy document http://goo.gl/8jfsUz, doesn't really sound bat shit crazy. For instance they do admit that FTTP is the best but FTTN is probably going to suit most people.  It'd be interesting to get some stats eg: how many people will use the NBN to steal movies faster vs upload content.  Personally i'd be happy with 10Mbit symmetric consistently (we do have 10 Mbit today I just checked).
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« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2013, 01:03:25 am »
Dave, what your country really needs (and mine maybe even more) are politicians that have more knowledge about technology and don't get fooled by lobbyists.

The problem is most politicans are just that, career polticians. They studied law or political science or some such thing.
The real practical world doesn't exist for them.
What pisses me off is that minsters get appointed who know nothing about their porfolio. So the police minster has never been a cop, the education minster has never been a teacher, the science minister has no science or engineering background etc.
Their are rare exceptions like having Peter Garret minster for arts and the environment.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2013, 03:03:45 am »


note: nothing is made/development in my country, all is imported.



You make aircraft--I just flew to Carnarvon & back in Embraer Brasilia aircraft,a distance of just under 2000km  for the round trip.
There are lots of these planes in Australia,USA,etc.
 

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« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2013, 04:02:45 am »
Interesting to read the policy document http://goo.gl/8jfsUz, doesn't really sound bat shit crazy.

Unless you actually take it in context. This is one of the biggest basic infrastructure projects in Australia's history, that will cost an absolute fortune by any measure (for either plan), and define our communications future in ways we haven't even thought of yet. When you look at the big picture like that, there is absolutely no valid argument for penny pinching and technical compromises. You do it once, you do it right.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2013, 05:10:24 am »
I think they should have rolled out Wimax (due to Australia being so large and sparsely populated).  Given up on laying cable, that seems to be old tech even if fiber.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2013, 06:22:34 am »
Only 25Mbps? I'd kill for 25Mbps.

Are you crappin me!!  25 Mbs is way beyond the reach of most consumers in the UK?   I am surprised.

You can get those speeds if you have cable or splash out for optical fiber. The majority of the UK is based on copper and very old copper at that. I get about 18Mbps and I don't know anyone on copper that gets close. As I said earlier, by my brother lives in London and gets 4Mbps if luck. As he lives in flats, they won't do fiber or cable broadband to his flat

I'm on copper and can get 63/17Mbps.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2013, 06:53:27 am »
I'm also on copper and get 40Mbit / 10Mbit.  (VDSL2 cabinet at the bottom of the road which someone recently took too with a spray can).

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