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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2013, 07:14:23 am »
I may have been a bit flippant but:
Is FTTN a half arse solution - it leaves the market to allow people to get fibre if they can afford it and want it. Fibre still exists.  And greenfields get it anyway.  So it is not a different direction, it doesn't seem to preclude at some later date FTTP ie you would have to replace any of the new infrastructure.

From my quick read the NBN is not symmetric

The coalition plan can get 25mb over copper.

There may be errors of fact in the coalition policy (who knows if they are trying to be tricky) all I was saying was that it isn't insane.  The main difference between the parties seems to be a difference of opinion about who should pay. Which is kind of what you'd expect.

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2013, 11:12:00 am »
According to my Belgian news radio here you'll get copper wire into your house. Abbott seems to have an unbridgeable lead in the vote counts now.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2013, 12:14:12 pm »
Only 25Mbps? I'd kill for 25Mbps.

Are you crappin me!!  25 Mbs is way beyond the reach of most consumers in the UK?   I am surprised.

You can get those speeds if you have cable or splash out for optical fiber. The majority of the UK is based on copper and very old copper at that. I get about 18Mbps and I don't know anyone on copper that gets close. As I said earlier, by my brother lives in London and gets 4Mbps if luck. As he lives in flats, they won't do fiber or cable broadband to his flat

I'm on copper and can get 63/17Mbps.

Yeah, and here in the UK, if you are in the areas with FTTC/VDSL2 rolled out, you can have upto 80/20 over copper. But the rest of us are on ADSL2+ if there's no cable.
That's sold as "upto" 18mbps. So 25mbps is a dream.

I'm on business adsl2+ (13/1) and Business cable (10/.768).
If I pay VMB £69 instead of £49 for the business cable, I can go from 10/768 + 1IP to 50/5 with some IPs.
Waiting for FTTC to go in, they have started to fit the cabs in this area, but the time between the physical cabs going in, and being able to get service from them can be upto 8 months. BTopenreach will fit a cab, then find that the ducting has collapsed when they try to blow the fibre to it. If there's not meny people on the cab, they'll just not upgrade it.
One client was in this position, they only got FTTC when someone stole the phone cables and BT had to relay the ducting, so they put the fibre in at the same time. If the cable hadn't been stolen, they wouldn't have bothered to wire in and equip the cab.

Had another client just order FTTC at home, because they have just added the dslam to the cabinet. Estimated VDSL2 speed: 25/5.
ADSL2+ speed atm? 160kbps/320kbps (yes, that's the right way around, 160kbps _down_).
Most of the this area is on really long lines. And there's not enough people to make it worthwhile putting the FTTC equipment in.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2013, 12:25:15 pm »
According to my Belgian news radio here you'll get copper wire into your house. Abbott seems to have an unbridgeable lead in the vote counts now.

Just read about it, Abbot got 2/3 of the seats. We'll have the same fun, i.e. election of the government, in two weeks. It's also choosing the lesser evil :-( And in Hessen (a federal state) we elect a new state parliament additionally.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2013, 02:28:52 pm »
Uh-oh. Does this mean you are now officially boned?
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2013, 02:51:38 pm »
Uh-oh. Does this mean you are now officially boned?
Yep... That's it, I'm going to start my own data carrier using pigeons. They should be able to carry a usb stick and as such I should be able to offer 128Mb per bird. That's 128Mbpb for the marketing department and I'm sure all the neo-luddites that have missed a golden opportunity will lap it up :)
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2013, 03:11:07 pm »
Sounds like a plan!  :-+ Only drawback is that packet drop can get fairly nasty.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2013, 03:35:20 pm »
Uh-oh. Does this mean you are now officially boned?

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But Mr Abbott, who enjoyed the strident support of Rupert Murdoch's newspapers,

Excuse me while I vomit - twice.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2013, 04:35:24 pm »

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But Mr Abbott, who enjoyed the strident support of Rupert Murdoch's newspapers,

Excuse me while I vomit - twice.

The Sun, Murdoch's biggest selling British paper, has backed the winner in the UK elections for as long as I can remember, certainly since Maggie's second term of office in 1983. Whether that is because they have so much influence, or because they prefer to ride the horse most likely to win is open to debate.

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2013, 04:57:55 pm »
Cut spending, reduce deficit, lower taxes.  That would probably get my vote. Nbn..Luxury!  My apartment is in cahoots with a satellite company who is our only choice for dsl and it seems to be capped where you pay to go over. So I'm still holding on to my Wimax box where I pay for about 10 Mbps and get a lot less due to signal. But there is no cap.

Anyway my opinion is the best thing a government can do is stay out of your lives. Personally, financially, etc. If you have to see your government official on TV is probably because they want to do something you won't like.

If helping the needy important to you then get off your ass and help them. Never trust the government to do a good job at anything.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2013, 05:07:13 pm »
Somewhat related (Any resemblance to real persons, living or douchebaggy, are purely coincidental):

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2013, 06:19:06 pm »


note: nothing is made/development in my country, all is imported.



You make aircraft--I just flew to Carnarvon & back in Embraer Brasilia aircraft,a distance of just under 2000km  for the round trip.
There are lots of these planes in Australia,USA,etc.

This is not true, all eletronic systems (avionic) and turbines/engines are imported.

The intellectual merit is not brazilian, i have many friends engineers working into embraer. :D

Congratulations to Australia that agreed with liberalism, this is the future, lean state/government and freedom economy.
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2013, 11:13:03 pm »
Haha,
In south America Liberalism means the opposite of what Liberalism means in North America.

In the USA liberalism = big government, big taxes, big brother, take from the rich give to the poor.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2013, 11:55:56 pm »
In Australia, Liberal and Labor aren't really that far apart in policies.  (as much as they beat each other around)  There's not the massive difference like I've head from many other countries.  So we may complain that the incoming guys are going to destroy the country, but in reality it doesn't pan out that way.  So many other (external) factors come into play as well.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2013, 12:09:08 am »
And the first cab off the rank in a downward spiral for this country, NICTA lose $42M in funding.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/coalition-to-slash-funding-for-top-tech-institute-nicta/4941838
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2013, 01:23:21 am »
And the first cab off the rank in a downward spiral for this country, NICTA lose $42M in funding.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/coalition-to-slash-funding-for-top-tech-institute-nicta/4941838

First two sentences from the article...
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NICTA (formerly National ICT Australia) is one of the key partners of the bionic eye project, building the electronics and developing vision processing techniques.


Hasn't helped my vision much.


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It also developed the crash-proof operating system that is in 1.5 billion mobile phones around the world.


Not in the Samsung GSIII. I have to reboot every time I need it to take me somewhere.

Nar, these things are just a drinking club.

 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2013, 03:35:20 am »
Haha,
In south America Liberalism means the opposite of what Liberalism means in North America.

In the USA liberalism = big government, big taxes, big brother, take from the rich give to the poor.

The USA is a semi-liberal country and even with some problems yet is a good place to live, can't compare with brazil.

In usa have efficient laws, army force equiped, freedom economy, decent schools, investment r&d, california, etc .. :D

In brazil not have california, investment r&d, good schools and freedom economy, in south america just have one liberal country that call the Chile (good place too).

The meaning of liberalism is the same in any part of world. :P
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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2013, 05:17:59 am »
The meaning of liberalism is the same in any part of world. :P

Mmm, nope, not really.  Simply describing a party (or person) as "liberal" does not convey anywhere near enough information in a global sense to determine their policies.

Does it mean socially liberal, "all drugs should be legal".
Does it mean economically liberal, "free market, make as much money as you can, low taxes, pay for all services yourself".
Does it mean both.
Does it mean neither.
Does it mean a bit of this and a bit of that, and if so, which bits and how much.

You see that just saying "I'm a liberal" means very little outside of the context of the political landscape in which that statement is made.

Some broad comparison can be made, for example Australia's Labor party can be comparable to the US Democratic Party, and their Liberals  (or "the Coalition") can be comparable the US Republican Party, but even at that, the comparison is VERY loose.

It can probably be said that in most countries these days, the trend is towards centrist parties in all regards, naturally of course, a party which wants to achieve and retain power must by definition have wide appeal, as our societies have become far more diverse the need for parties to "pick and choose" policies to make come up with a reasonable compromise has become much greater. 

Proportional representation can alleviate this at the party level somewhat with coalitions of more focused parties working together to form a government (as we usually have here in NZ with MMP), but the end result is the same, a government which is relatively centrist.



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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2013, 05:35:29 am »
First two sentences from the article...
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NICTA (formerly National ICT Australia) is one of the key partners of the bionic eye project, building the electronics and developing vision processing techniques.
Hasn't helped my vision much.

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Congrats, most ridiculous comment of the week award  :palm:
I can't believe someone on this forum would think that spending money on basic technology research is a bad idea.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #70 on: September 08, 2013, 06:06:04 am »
First two sentences from the article...
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NICTA (formerly National ICT Australia) is one of the key partners of the bionic eye project, building the electronics and developing vision processing techniques.
Hasn't helped my vision much.

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Congrats, most ridiculous comment of the week award  :palm:
I can't believe someone on this forum would think that spending money on basic technology research is a bad idea.

But that's unfortunately going to be the attitude of the razor gang that will answer to those who have been elected to find and eliminate waste. The researchers were asked to show something for their work so far and all they said was we need more time. And that was my point. Not much.

If you were placed in a similar position to critically evaluate the sheer cost expenditure you'd be lying if you couldn't find anything to shave. Or corrupt.

And further, some good kit will go on the auction market and some nut with an itch to scratch will buy it and maybe continue the work, perhaps with a little more motivation than those fed by an open check book.

Nar, they've had it good for a while and they will have it good again. In the meantime they can tighten the belt and work out how to pull something out of their arses with less. Because that is how the best discoveries are made anyhow if we're honest about it.

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2013, 06:17:44 am »
@sleemanj

I belive in the anarcho-capitalism (extreme liberalism, extinction of state and 100% economy and personal freedom), i know that's extreme think that, but i agreed too that a policy view centered is a good choice.
 

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2013, 07:02:44 am »
First two sentences from the article...
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NICTA (formerly National ICT Australia) is one of the key partners of the bionic eye project, building the electronics and developing vision processing techniques.
Hasn't helped my vision much.

 :o
Congrats, most ridiculous comment of the week award  :palm:
I can't believe someone on this forum would think that spending money on basic technology research is a bad idea.

But that's unfortunately going to be the attitude of the razor gang that will answer to those who have been elected to find and eliminate waste. The researchers were asked to show something for their work so far and all they said was we need more time. And that was my point. Not much.

If you were placed in a similar position to critically evaluate the sheer cost expenditure you'd be lying if you couldn't find anything to shave. Or corrupt.

And further, some good kit will go on the auction market and some nut with an itch to scratch will buy it and maybe continue the work, perhaps with a little more motivation than those fed by an open check book.

Nar, they've had it good for a while and they will have it good again. In the meantime they can tighten the belt and work out how to pull something out of their arses with less. Because that is how the best discoveries are made anyhow if we're honest about it.

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Re: OT: 2013 Australian Federal Election Rant
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2013, 08:06:46 am »
But that's unfortunately going to be the attitude of the razor gang that will answer to those who have been elected to find and eliminate waste. The researchers were asked to show something for their work so far and all they said was we need more time. And that was my point. Not much.

I'm not dumb or short sighted enough to know that a technology think tank like NICTA shold live or die by short terms goals.

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If you were placed in a similar position to critically evaluate the sheer cost expenditure you'd be lying if you couldn't find anything to shave. Or corrupt.

Ditto my above comment. Someone like NICTA (or the CSIRO, or the ABC et.al that they also want to slash) would be the last on my slash'n'burn list.
Top of my list would be shit like churches not paying any taxes for example.
We don't have many such organisations in this country, and they are vital to keeping our foot in the door in global technology development.
When you take money away from them, it just leads to less opportunities for employment of talented people with ideas, who will likely just piss off overseas. That list in this country is unfortunately long and distinguished.

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And further, some good kit will go on the auction market and some nut with an itch to scratch will buy it and maybe continue the work, perhaps with a little more motivation than those fed by an open check book.

Almost certainly won't be the case.
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