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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2012, 09:52:06 am »
some estimates: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/EEVblog/

10 million views in another 150 days, can't wait!
BTW, I can tell you that that their upper estimate is way over-estimated.

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2012, 04:19:29 pm »
+1. I'd happily pay ~ 2€ for in depth videos.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2012, 05:23:38 pm »
Dave, linear projection........ Probably only 50% too optimistic, but you may be lucky.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2012, 02:07:25 am »
I would not be so enthusiastic about a general "premium content" channel that is deemed exclusive for some unknown reason.

I would not want such a channel either, especially one that was subscription based and I was forced into having to produce regular content for it.
I like the idea of producing extra non-blog content "whenever I get around to it" as a one-off, and then perhaps selling that though.

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As a hobbyist with no formal training in electronics I'd gladly pay for any extensive content that will help me understand the basics better and solve some mysteries!

I agree. Though I am not a complete beginner, there are still tons of things that I plainly just don't understand about electronics.

I would totally be down for a lesson type series. You would pay for a book to learn something, right? So why not a video?

Of course this is my opinion, but I think these videos would be of most value to those who are trying to learn fundamentals. Atleast, those are the ones that are probably going to get the most attention, and therefore $$$.

Some ideas off the top of my head-

-BJT/FET amplifiers
-Op-amps
-TTL Logic
-PCB Layout

I'd probably be willing to pay $20 for a good in-depth explanation of these topics.

I love EEVBlog, but yes you are right, there's only so much you can expect out of a free video series. Though Dave does make a living off of it, you can't possibly expect him to put out world class material free of charge. That's just not fair!
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2012, 06:39:16 pm »
I would say enough talking about it, just give it a try. I would pay $ 2 for the right subject and if it is entertaining.
The only way to see if this concept would work is to give it a try, what do you have to loose (besides time)?
 

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« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2012, 11:00:21 pm »
I would say enough talking about it, just give it a try. I would pay $ 2 for the right subject and if it is entertaining.
The only way to see if this concept would work is to give it a try, what do you have to loose (besides time)?

(and money)  ;D

But I agree. Just give it a shot. Perhaps a nice detailed explanation of something fundamental yet mysterious.

I'd expect a good reaction to it. Probably would make some good money off of it, provided it's good.
 

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« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2012, 09:07:36 am »
Have you considered having some type of 'big picture' plan?

For instance, you could sell premium tutorials that can be combined into a course. You edit all the tutorials into a course you sell.

Or for hardware, you sell a baseboard that has a processor, display, etc. and then plug-in modules that add functionality. There are several ways they could interconnect and use the baseboard for the HMI.

Anyway, just a thought.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2012, 11:38:49 am »
I would happily pay money for any content about pcb design and layout. Particularly about how best to figure out part placement for the best layout and also routing and placement when you have specific goals in mind for the design. Maybe you should start a poll or something for what people want to see.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2012, 03:25:48 pm »
+1 for paid one-off in-depth design videos!
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2012, 08:07:27 pm »
Dave,

You have to ask yourself, who is your audience and what will they pay for?  I know, you just tried to ask us - good start.  Problem is, you have guys here who range from me (just bought a Tek 2225 based on your opinion) who know next to nothing, up to folks with some serious chops.  I for one would pay (preferably through paypal) for some serious instruction on how to go from an Elenco power supply to a moderate-sized project with some exposure to new basics.  The next person wouldn't necessarily pay for that.

Your sustainable competitive advantage ( business school, sorry) is your video personality and your existing website members.  I'd whiteboard half a dozen or a dozen video projects you'd be willing to do for a fee, and solicit feedback here.  As one of my best professors said repeatedly - "Do it!  Now! Now! Now! (He was an excellent teacher and motivator!  :D )
 

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Re: Premium Content EEVblog #254 - KiCAD PCB First Impressions
« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2012, 09:05:20 pm »
I did have a big hope for the "PCB First Impressions series"


That was for me a big disappointment. For me it seemed to stop at the same time the "sponsor" / partner deal with Diptrase got in place. I am sure that was not the case but i did sit back with that feeling.

So we still need a somewhat more thorough examination and perhaps a selection of the best open / free PCB software.


How many dollars do we need to gather for that you would make such a series to release on YouTube ?


I can only speak for myself but it is something that I would very much like to pay money for. My feeling is that it not will take a long time to gather enough money.


But for me it is important that it is being released for all and not just "Premium members"
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Re: Premium Content EEVblog #254 - KiCAD PCB First Impressions
« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2012, 11:56:27 pm »
I did have a big hope for the "PCB First Impressions series"
That was for me a big disappointment. For me it seemed to stop at the same time the "sponsor" / partner deal with Diptrase got in place. I am sure that was not the case but i did sit back with that feeling.

That had absolutely nothing to do with it.
BTW, I've made precisely ZIP from adding that up there.

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So we still need a somewhat more thorough examination and perhaps a selection of the best open / free PCB software.
How many dollars do we need to gather for that you would make such a series to release on YouTube ?
I can only speak for myself but it is something that I would very much like to pay money for. My feeling is that it not will take a long time to gather enough money.

The issue is not money, it's time. Doing such a thing takes a massive amount of time. I would have to stop all content on the blog (and other projects and things) for quite some time in order to get it done.

The "first look" videos were easy, because they literally were a one-take, no-edit "first look". Anything more than that and the complexity of producing it goes up several orders of magnitude.

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2012, 03:10:44 am »
Well perhaps you wouldn't have to stop all. Perhaps not as frequent or as in depth. But I think professional-level tutorials would bring EEVBlog to another level.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #63 on: September 27, 2012, 02:44:39 am »
I am not quite sure if I would pay for content like that. Generally I find that internet content that I have purchased didn't help me much. I had to continue to find free information to solve my problem. But I might give it a try. Your videos are somewhat different.

I don't know how you would choose to distribute "Premium Content", but one requirement for me to consider paying would be that I can download the video in a DRM free way.
 

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« Reply #64 on: September 27, 2012, 02:53:23 am »
It is hard to release Premium Content I think, especially in the internet age because there is SO MUCH information on the internet, it's ridiculous. To be blatantly honest, you could learn the A-Zs of electronics entirely off the internet. The information is all there! It's just not compiled nicely. That's the problem. Premium Content has to be reeaallly good quality because the fact is: I could find all this information for free somewhere else! The difference is: Premium Content would organize all of this information into an easy to understand "curriculum".

It's hard to justify buying it since you could potentially find the information for free. However, if it is done well enough, people will appreciate the service because it will make their lives easier. Less painstaking Google searching etc. etc.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2012, 05:23:54 am »
Personally I'd go more into physical domain - open source hardware, tutorials as books/booklets you can use without computer [in bathtube for example :D], selling stuff Dave no longer needs... This is what I would pay for.
On-line premium stuff, in my opinion would have to be very in depth, or on subjects that were not filmed by other blogers. There is allot of tutorials on simple stuff like op amps, 555 timer, eagle PCB and every one of those is for free.

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Books are not easy though, it can easily take >1year to produce a book.



I like both alana's idea and jucole's forest mim's idea even though they are in slight contradiction. One easy option to consider is the approach taken by MR.pete222 or Tubalcain as he is known on youboob. He simply amalgamates his video's on physical media and sells those, although he doesn't know how to send stuff outside of the U.S.!  One important difference is that he is a veteran shops teacher and it shows, he has been instructing inbred morons how to build stuff and not break the machine since the time of the dinosaurs  ;D That kind of instructive content has a much longer lifetime and greater value ( as others have indicated here) versus rants and other typical youtube fare.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2012, 09:46:08 am »
IMO those wanting 'premium' content would surely be better off subscribing to journals from the IET or IEEE, or even just reading the free journals and design notes from almost all semiconductor manufacturers.

I do not really see the point in Dave having to do more work for those who are too lazy to use the wealth of information already printed, unless Dave actually wanted to publish premium content for his own reasons. A one stop shop is undoubtedly going to miss some information out or dilute it, or take a lifetime to cover every topic.

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« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2012, 11:30:58 am »
I do not really see the point in Dave having to do more work for those who are too lazy to use the wealth of information already printed, unless Dave actually wanted to publish premium content for his own reasons.

I think Dave asked, because he wants to make some money from premium content. Nothing wrong with that. Only that in these times it won't take an hour until the premium content, if in electronic form, would be ripped-off and put on a torrent. And that would be it with making money.

If you read some past discussions, you will see that even Dave's forum has some people heavily advocating stealing / "pirating" content, and I don't think there will be any mercy with Dave's content.

So, premium content in electronic form would be a difficult thing if Dave wants to make money from it. Writing a book and distributing only paper copies has a slightly larger chance of surviving unpirated for some time. But eventually someone will run it through a scanner. And, as already discussed, writing a book is a time-consuming task, and even without it being pirated doesn't pay off.

Maybe Dave giving courses or doing some lectures for a fee, arranging fan meet and greats for a fee, anything that requires his presence would be a better way to deliver premium content.
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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2012, 12:24:46 pm »
Maybe Dave giving courses or doing some lectures for a fee, arranging fan meet and greats for a fee, anything that requires his presence would be a better way to deliver premium content.

I think the key there is that it would be for 'fans'. I would think that any lectures would pose problems in terms of target audience. Anyone already serious in electronics would most likely self learn or get a proper outfit in and only go to the lectures for entertainment unless the lecture went deeply technical, yet beginners are going to get lost after 15 minutes unless the lecture is aimed at them.

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2012, 05:26:16 pm »
Hi Dave.
Rather than have premium paid for content what about having an EEV blog club or society with an annual membership fee, something that I would find easier to do than pay on an add hoc basis.
With a club or society format you could make membership more attractive with tee shirts and members cards and discounts on merchandise etc, and have the access to the extra content that you are proposing.
I have looked at the flatter button, not quite sure how it works but I have the idea that it takes a sum of money from me and then trickles it in very small amounts to any web site that I go to which has a flatter button, quite frankly I would rather send you some money direct and know that you have and not leave money in some bother bank account to gather interest for god knows who.
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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2012, 04:42:33 am »
Hi Dave.
Rather than have premium paid for content what about having an EEV blog club or society with an annual membership fee, something that I would find easier to do than pay on an add hoc basis.
With a club or society format you could make membership more attractive with tee shirts and members cards and discounts on merchandise etc, and have the access to the extra content that you are proposing.

Only problem with that is that it's yet another thing that needs to be managed etc.
If there is an online thing that can take care of it all for me, then I'm open to suggestions.

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I have looked at the flatter button, not quite sure how it works but I have the idea that it takes a sum of money from me and then trickles it in very small amounts to any web site that I go to which has a flatter button, quite frankly I would rather send you some money direct and know that you have and not leave money in some bother bank account to gather interest for god knows who.

I put the Flattr button there to because a few people asked it.
Have still yet to see a cent from that actually end up in my account.
I prefer PayPal donations, but of course the evil PayPal empire take a big chunk of it, but at least almost everyone has PayPal.

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2012, 07:21:27 am »
PayPal would be a necessary evil for premium content. Very hard to run a one man band If you are chasing work you are not doing what you already have on the books and when you have done that work you are chasing payment, its a vicious circle, then there is all the book work for the government which if you rely on the accountant doing for you costs a bomb and is never done on time so collects penalty charges. Been there done that.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2012, 06:42:01 pm »


I have no idea what the best way to sell video content is, or what platform to use.
Youtube has a content "shop" option that can handle Amazon or Google Playstore content.

Dave.

Might want to look at some of the paid video tutor sites for ideas. I don't know of any that do electronics right now, you could be the pioneer of the industry!
Start a site yourself and maybe get others to contribute with in depth topics and leave the EEVblog for the 1 hour topics.
I would pay for in-depth content on topics like RF receivers or transmitters, FPGA , board layout.  Some people have issues with using paypal, I don't, and there are other payment processing sites that may be more friendly to international viewers.

Some of the video tutorial sites I have used:

http://www.lynda.com/

http://www.digitaltutors.com

Digital tutors started as a pay per tutorial site and then progressed to a monthly fee, full access site.

 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2012, 06:49:07 pm »
I do not really see the point in Dave having to do more work for those who are too lazy to use the wealth of information already printed, unless Dave actually wanted to publish premium content for his own reasons.


So, premium content in electronic form would be a difficult thing if Dave wants to make money from it. Writing a book and distributing only paper copies has a slightly larger chance of surviving unpirated for some time. But eventually someone will run it through a scanner. And, as already discussed, writing a book is a time-consuming task, and even without it being pirated doesn't pay off.



I don't agree with that at all. It is true that people will download and copy videos and just about anything else that can be copied, but that doesn't mean you still can't make money. The part of the equation that is being left out is the people that really like the content.  The old shareware software was a good example of this. Shareware started off as more of a donation ware , send what you can or think it is worth, maybe Dave would consider that option as well. To prove that he does have people who value the content enough to spend money look at what people send in the mailbag segments. Sending stuff international isn't cheap and people willing to do things like that are more common than most think.

If the content is good and people like it, they will contribute to keep it going. It is when the content isn't worth the money when charge for content fails.
 

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Re: Premium Content
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2012, 06:55:25 pm »
IMO those wanting 'premium' content would surely be better off subscribing to journals from the IET or IEEE, or even just reading the free journals and design notes from almost all semiconductor manufacturers.

I do not really see the point in Dave having to do more work for those who are too lazy to use the wealth of information already printed, unless Dave actually wanted to publish premium content for his own reasons. A one stop shop is undoubtedly going to miss some information out or dilute it, or take a lifetime to cover every topic.

The difference in using journals or IEEE site is it is boring , it doesn't hold my interest very long. There are a lot of people on youtube about electronics , but Dave brings a little entertainment and style that is unique and that is the reason I and many others watch the videos.  It is like the difference in good and bad teachers, it is the same material but with a good teacher students understand the material.

 


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