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RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:47:15 am »



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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 11:20:41 am »
Now there has been a lot of discussion about the recent replacement of YouTube's old comments system with the Google+ comments system. While I agree with several points:

 - The manual spam review UI looks well broken.
 - The fact that there's no way to view all comments on your channel, except for manually setting up a Gmail filter to nicely group all comment notifications into a separate label, a kludgy and inferior solution.

These are all backwards steps, the hallmarks of a rushed release, and it's ridiculous and unnecessary, and it's valid to get angry. The things on the list above, though, look fixable, the first is a bug, and the second seems like a indefensible situation, etc.

However, what really concerns me is some of the sheer tin-foil hat paranoia that accompanies these complaints. This is leveled at Fran's video, but a good deal of the rhetoric leaks into Dave's as well. Let me (not word-for-word) quote some directly incorrect statements:

- Fran: "I use Mozilla, so I can't use Google+." Absurd.
- Fran: "What sort of reacharound are you willing to accept when doing something stupid like making a comment on a video, while Google is going into your computer to get whatever it wants?" Um, if you log into Google+ to make a comment on a video, the only thing added to the "tracking net" is that comment. Where's the tin-foil hat?
- Fran: Quoting from an article, "Google is cross-leveraging Search, Gmail, Maps, Android and everything else, [+YouTube] tying them together with Google+". Can you name a service on that list that wasn't logged into using a Google account before.

Dave shadowed the last point in his video too, and it's a particularly perplexing. We were all using Google accounts before this change. A Google+ identity is just a tag within your Google account, a location on the Google+ site, yet another profile page. A pass to use Google+, the social networking site. Where does this magical new ability for Google to track you come from? It was all Google before, it's still all Google now. What is everyone getting so hysterical about? You realise Google bought YouTube back in 2006, about a year after it was created, right?

At the end of the day, you type things into your computer, it goes out to the Internet. A fair lot of it lands in Google property. They use it to customise advertising to make it as relevant as possible to you. Call it tracking if you want, and yes, it makes them a lot of money. But they only make money by showing advertisements that are relevant to the users, the advertisers' wouldn't pay if no sales ever came from the advertising. But we're talking about a site here that lets you upload multi-gigabyte video files, and serves them with outstanding reliability and speed to anyone who's willing to watch. One would have to be a monumental, spoiled and unreasonable idiot to think that it's reasonable to get this for free. Analysts estimate bandwidth costs alone for YouTube run into $360 million per year. So yes, there will be advertising. And I'd rather have a small amount of likely-to-be-of-interest-to-me, high-cost-per-click-to-the-advertiser, well-targeted advertising than pages and pages of penis-enlargment pill advertisements. Any other point of view is perplexing to me.

Dave, why do you want to uncheck the "post to Google+" box when you post a comment? If you don't want to visit/spend time tending your Google+ page, that's perfectly reasonable, but what negative consequence befalls you if you failed to untick that box? Any replies made on your Google+ page also find their way into the YouTube comments stream; they're one and the same, that, if anything, is the whole point of this revamp. There's going to be a tiny percentage of your users who actually use Google+, who would prefer that you leave it on; the rest are utterly unaffected.

I would go on but this is all I'm calling for here -- a bit less hysteria and a little bit more well-founded, thought out argument. These videos seem to be a fascinating mix of perplexing hysteria and very validly pointed out annoying bugs. I heartily encourage the latter, but find the former absurd. If I'm wrong, or if I've missed some specific point, please correct me.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2013, 12:04:00 pm »
- The fact that there's no way to view all comments on your channel, except for manually setting up a Gmail filter to nicely group all comment notifications into a separate label, a kludgy and inferior solution.

I tried that and look what happens:


That's for ONE comment, so if my inbox has a thread with a couple of hundred of these comments, then I have the scroll down through all that huge wastage to read the message.
 |O
The old Youtbe inbox was pretty shitty, but at least it was better than this.

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Dave, why do you want to uncheck the "post to Google+" box when you post a comment?

The same reason as for Facebook.
I have a Facebook page for the blog that my videos get auto-uploaded onto, but apart from that I don't touch it. I don't read comments there and I don't interact with my audience there, and I wouldn't want people to think that I do by having all of my Youtube comments cross-posted there. Same thing with Google+. I chose not to use it, so I don't want my comments to end up there, I want them only on Youtube where I intended them to go.

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If you don't want to visit/spend time tending your Google+ page, that's perfectly reasonable, but what negative consequence befalls you if you failed to untick that box? Any replies made on your Google+ page also find their way into the YouTube comments stream; they're one and the same, that, if anything, is the whole point of this revamp. There's going to be a tiny percentage of your users who actually use Google+, who would prefer that you leave it on; the rest are utterly unaffected.

I have not verified that is the case myself.
There may indeed be zero consequences, but until I investigate that myself, I do not want my youtube comments cross-posted outside of youtube.
Also, there is the simple principle of it. If I don't like Google+ then I should be easily able to set that myself.
My problem is that it's switched on by default, and there does not appear to be a way to default it to off if I so chose.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 12:10:12 pm »
rs20, it's pretty naive to proclaim that distrust of Google's mission to gather, track and analyze every available scrap of data about every connected individual on the planet is 'hysteria', particularly given their documented collaboration with the likes of the NSA.

You may well feel that the convenience of having Google know all about your habits, interests and preferences so that they can deliver "targeted content" is worth the irrevocable loss of privacy which that entails, but some of us are less keen.

As Dave said, Google are being 'Evil', and given that they are an American corporation one could say that is inevitable. There is a strong argument that modern corporations are legally required to act in a psychopathic way. What responsibilities they have are largely to their stockholders, not their customers, and they are compelled to enrich the former at the expense of the latter by whatever means possible. Read Joel Bakan's book on the subject - or watch the movie. I wonder if it's available on Youtube...
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 12:19:12 pm »
One little correction to something mentioned in the video. This change is not about tracking. They've been able to track you, and have done so, ever since you had to use your Google account (not plus) to sign in to Youtube. (At one point you could create a YT account without being signed up to Google.) This change is only about pushing G+ as a social network.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 12:29:17 pm »
There is a strong argument that modern corporations are legally required to act in a psychopathic way. What responsibilities they have are largely to their stockholders, not their customers

Essentially true. It's called fiduciary responsibility.
In the states it's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_judgment_rule

Of course you can do all that without being evil dicks and listening to your customers/users.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 12:31:41 pm »
One little correction to something mentioned in the video. This change is not about tracking. They've been able to track you, and have done so, ever since you had to use your Google account (not plus) to sign in to Youtube. (At one point you could create a YT account without being signed up to Google.) This change is only about pushing G+ as a social network.

Many commentators don't agree with that, and I suspect as much as well. There seems to be much more to it than the simple dumb-arse pushing of G+, because that alone doesn't make sense, it's not worth the huge risk they took (and they knew it).
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 12:35:24 pm »
One little correction to something mentioned in the video. This change is not about tracking. They've been able to track you, and have done so, ever since you had to use your Google account (not plus) to sign in to Youtube. (At one point you could create a YT account without being signed up to Google.) This change is only about pushing G+ as a social network.

Not directly about tracking, but all part of their mission. As their login page says "One account. All of Google."

They want you to stay logged in and do everything online in their space. Presumably they think that if they make their social media system omnipresent, people will start using it through sheer inertia. Hey, it worked for Microsoft. Until it didn't.



 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 12:39:43 pm »
- The fact that there's no way to view all comments on your channel, except for manually setting up a Gmail filter to nicely group all comment notifications into a separate label, a kludgy and inferior solution.

I tried that and look what happens:


That's for ONE post, so if my inbox has thread with a couple of hundred of these comments, then I have the scroll down through all that huge wastage to read the message.
 |O

Fully concur, it's ridiculous to have each comments laid out in a separate email/page, instead of a easily browse-able list. I'm astonished that they thought this was acceptable.


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Dave, why do you want to uncheck the "post to Google+" box when you post a comment?

The same reason as for Facebook.
I have a Facebook page for the blog that my videos get auto-uploaded onto, but apart from that I don't touch it. I don't read comments there and I don't interact with my audience there, and I wouldn't want people to think that I do by having all of my Youtube comments cross-posted there. Same thing with Google+. I chose not to use it, so I don't want my comments to end up there, I want them only on Youtube where I intended them to go.

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If you don't want to visit/spend time tending your Google+ page, that's perfectly reasonable, but what negative consequence befalls you if you failed to untick that box? Any replies made on your Google+ page also find their way into the YouTube comments stream; they're one and the same, that, if anything, is the whole point of this revamp. There's going to be a tiny percentage of your users who actually use Google+, who would prefer that you leave it on; the rest are utterly unaffected.

I have not verified that is the case myself.
There may indeed be zero consequences, but until I investigate that myself, I do not want my youtube comments cross-posted outside of youtube.
Also, there is the simple principle of it. If I don't like Google+ then I should be easily able to set that myself.
My problem is that it's switched on by default, and there does not appear to be a way to default it to off if I so chose.

Again, I more-or-less agree, having that selection persist is a reasonable feature to want.

On a side note, the interesting thing is that YouTube, as it was, was just a sequence-of-videos, you couldn't post text, or a link, or anything like that. Just a whole new video, with its isolated collection of comments. (If one wants to keep using YouTube that way, you just make a random anonymous Google+ page and post away, just like before, no change.)  Yes, you can post to Facebook, Twitter, etc, but then you get some comments here, some comments there, it's all a very fractured experience. I guess the sad thing for me is I can sort of see the vision that Google is going for here; I could go to the (e.g.) EEVBlog Google+ page and see the videos, little upcoming event text announcements, links to websites that you think are cool, etc etc. And I could see the real YouTube comments right there and then, and not have to split out into the YouTube interface. Just visualise it -- twitter, with a non-retarded commenting system and the videos right there inline, all in one place. As much as I sort of feel the negative vibe against Google+, it's kind of a beautiful idea, and an experience that's impossible for any other company to match. Yes, if people flock to the idea, Google will make a crapload of money off it, but if you live your life trying to prevent people from making money off you, you're really living a rather vindictive tin-foil hat life. (This isn't directed at you, Dave, I know you recognise the financial aspect of this situation.)
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2013, 12:42:47 pm »


Popular YouTuber Cr1TiKaL created this video, calling the new system "soggy dog sh*t":
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2013, 12:48:01 pm »
rs20, it's pretty naive to proclaim that distrust of Google's mission to gather, track and analyze every available scrap of data about every connected individual on the planet is 'hysteria', particularly given their documented collaboration with the likes of the NSA.

You may well feel that the convenience of having Google know all about your habits, interests and preferences so that they can deliver "targeted content" is worth the irrevocable loss of privacy which that entails, but some of us are less keen.

As Dave said, Google are being 'Evil', and given that they are an American corporation one could say that is inevitable. There is a strong argument that modern corporations are legally required to act in a psychopathic way. What responsibilities they have are largely to their stockholders, not their customers, and they are compelled to enrich the former at the expense of the latter by whatever means possible. Read Joel Bakan's book on the subject - or watch the movie. I wonder if it's available on Youtube...

Where to start. First of all, this is a completely orthogonal discussion. How does clicking "yes, make me a Google+ page" suddenly give Google an increased ability to track you? It doesn't.

Also, again, don't even continue this discussion on this thread, it's off-topic as noted above, but NSA tapped Google, which Google is well pissed about it, and have now encrypted the internal channels that Google were using. Calling that "documented collaboration" is a bit rich. Yes, I'm trusting what they're telling me, silly me, but it's impossible to have a reasonable debate if your line is "don't believe anything you read". Just next time you're building a bomb, maybe don't plan it using Google+ private messages. In the mean time, chill out and enjoy the wonders of the internet.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 01:04:26 pm »
Also, again, don't even continue this discussion on this thread, it's off-topic as noted above,
Hey, don't tell me I'm talking bullshit and then forbid me to respond.

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but NSA tapped Google, which Google is well pissed about it, and have now encrypted the internal channels that Google were using. Calling that "documented collaboration" is a bit rich.
I wasn't. I was referring to the PRISM web surveillance program which was carried out with Google's full knowledge and cooperation.

As documented by The Guardian:

Newly declassified documents show that the spy agency paid Google millions of dollars to cover the costs associated with PRISM.


 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2013, 01:18:10 pm »
One little correction to something mentioned in the video. This change is not about tracking. They've been able to track you, and have done so, ever since you had to use your Google account (not plus) to sign in to Youtube. (At one point you could create a YT account without being signed up to Google.) This change is only about pushing G+ as a social network.

Many commentators don't agree with that, and I suspect as much as well. There seems to be much more to it than the simple dumb-arse pushing of G+, because that alone doesn't make sense, it's not worth the huge risk they took (and they knew it).

We can debate the purposes of the change all day long; as I mentioned in an earlier post, a page where videos, comments, text updates, featured links, bla bla bla all coexist on a single page is an awesome concept, maybe they still believe "build it and they will come". This change does make Google+ considerably better as a one-stop platform for a content creator. But whatever. The single most important thing to recognise is that clicking the "yeah, OK, I'll use Google+" button doesn't improve Google's ability to track you for monetization, or nefarious government spying purposes. There's two ways to look at it: the "Google is honest" way and the "Google is in bed with the NSA way":

Google is in bed with the NSA: The "yeah, OK, I'll use Google+" button does nothing. The comments and search habits arrive at the same servers they always have, and the NSA can do all the tracking they've ever been able to do. After choosing to use Google+, you're not typing any extra information into your computer, so the NSA doesn't have access to anything more, because it was all going to Google property before and it's still all going there now.

Google is honest: The way that the terms of service are worded may mean joining Google+ gives Google more latitude to legally, honestly, in accordance with the terms of service, mine more information about you and more precisely target ads and all the stuff they say they do in the terms of service. Yawn.

Again, if they want to break their terms of service and give all their data to the NSA, you flipping a freaking bit doesn't change anything. The Google+ comments change riot is not, repeat, is not a tracking and government spying issue. It's just a buggy and awkward switchover that needs urgent work.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2013, 01:30:59 pm »
One little correction to something mentioned in the video. This change is not about tracking. They've been able to track you, and have done so, ever since you had to use your Google account (not plus) to sign in to Youtube. (At one point you could create a YT account without being signed up to Google.) This change is only about pushing G+ as a social network.

Many commentators don't agree with that, and I suspect as much as well. There seems to be much more to it than the simple dumb-arse pushing of G+, because that alone doesn't make sense, it's not worth the huge risk they took (and they knew it).
What is the risk that they're taking exactly, though? Once they get the immediate bugs and problems ironed out (like the spam comment thing) the big grey mass will just keep using the site as they always have. I bet most people just clicked yes long ago in the continual nag screens, and don't even complain, let alone consider a more drastic action, like closing their account. The potential benefit however, is that people (again in the big grey mass) after a while discover their G+ page, all their friends are added, and they think, you know what, this isn't too bad after all. You hate it, I hate it, but most people are not nerds/power users like us. (By power users for your part I mean that something very specific, namely the comment feed, is broken.)
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2013, 01:32:27 pm »
Also, again, don't even continue this discussion on this thread, it's off-topic as noted above,
Hey, don't tell me I'm talking bullshit and then forbid me to respond.

Fair call, I shouldn't have instructed you not to respond. I'm just pointing out that the debate you and I are have right now is nothing to do with the video at the head of this topic.

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but NSA tapped Google, which Google is well pissed about it, and have now encrypted the internal channels that Google were using. Calling that "documented collaboration" is a bit rich.
I wasn't. I was referring to the PRISM web surveillance program which was carried out with Google's full knowledge and cooperation.

As documented by The Guardian:

Newly declassified documents show that the spy agency paid Google millions of dollars to cover the costs associated with PRISM.

Google do admit that they are legally required to reveal information in response to certain requests, and they have that transparency report thing to prove it. Furthermore, Google sent that open letter to the government requesting that they be allowed to be more transparent, and that they're pissed that they've got their hands tied behind their back with respect to what they can reveal. They also say that they push back when requests are too broad, etc, etc. Who knows that the word PRISM refers to, it's just an acronym, does it encompass these "legal" requests? But yeah, who knows what's going on. But Yahoo and Skype and Apple and Facebook are all in the same boat; like I said before, as I see it just keep your bomb-making plans off the internet, and in the mean time have fun and chill out. Fortunately I don't live in the USA, so I have no concern or ability to influence US policy, but all that aside, none of this has anything to do with comments moving from YouTube to Google+, sorry, from Google to Google.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2013, 02:22:29 pm »
Where to start. First of all, this is a completely orthogonal discussion. How does clicking "yes, make me a Google+ page" suddenly give Google an increased ability to track you? It doesn't.

Its ok for you to be clueless, but please stop trying to spread it on others.

http://www.abine.com/blog/2012/how-facebook-buttons-can-track-you-across-the-web/
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/11/01/facebook-to-silent-track-users-cursor-movements-to-see-which-ads-we-like-best/
from horses mouth 2 years ago 

Two years ago about ~25% of websites tracked you with AdWords, while Facebook Like button was on more than 33%.
Those dont overlap completely. Pushing G+ as a social network will let Google piggyback its +1 Button right next to Bookface Like button closing the gap.

Its all about tracking sheeple.



Also, again, don't even continue this discussion on this thread, it's off-topic as noted above, but NSA tapped Google, which Google is well pissed about it

Its as pissed as Germans, while at the same time Germany is one of the big NSA collaborators.
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2013, 02:56:33 pm »
I would go on but this is all I'm calling for here -- a bit less hysteria and a little bit more well-founded, thought out argument.

Seems some people can't see the thin end of a rapidly fattening wedge.

How long before Google require you to be logged in to Google+ for any service? You are already prompted on their search page. How long before Google require documentary evidence to support their Google+ real names policy? How long before Google know exactly who you are, where you live, where you are within a few feet from your android phone GPS, what you are looking at with your Google glass, read all your email on gmail, read all your documents on google docs, track all your usage of the internet through cookies, and google analytics?

I don't want anyone collecting and compiling that much information about me. I don't trust Google and anything Google have the US government will get on demand.

They will be able to do all this if enough fools let them.

 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2013, 03:01:08 pm »
Where to start. First of all, this is a completely orthogonal discussion. How does clicking "yes, make me a Google+ page" suddenly give Google an increased ability to track you? It doesn't.

Its ok for you to be clueless, but please stop trying to spread it on others.

http://www.abine.com/blog/2012/how-facebook-buttons-can-track-you-across-the-web/
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/11/01/facebook-to-silent-track-users-cursor-movements-to-see-which-ads-we-like-best/
from horses mouth 2 years ago 
That's something completely different. The way a like button can track you is because it's placed on another website and can "phone home" and tell Facebook you've visited that page. There is no magic involved here. If a page doesn't have a like button (or some similar mechanism) Facebook can't track your visit to that page.

There is nothing (except laws and regulations, and their terms of service) that stops Google from doing that already with Google ads, even if you don't have a Google account. (That is, just a GMail account or similar, not even a Google+ account).

If a lot of sites start putting up"+1" buttons all over the place, that lets Google join that game even more, and a larger user base for G+  But just you getting a Google+ account makes no technical difference at all to that. Maybe just a small legal difference.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 03:12:16 pm »
The day it happened I did a rant video and left Youtube.  A couple of days later I found one of my videos had been removed due to a robot on it.  I appealed their decision and they said they upheld their decision after reviewing my account.  I wrote them back saying I never had a blotch on my account and a viewer stuck a link of one of my videos on Twitter and away it went.  Considering it gave me 4k views and that "so called" robot made me exactly zero I was pissed.  I told Youtube off telling them what they already know that content providers can't make money with Adblock Plus and considering this was done by an outside source that I have no control over it will happen again for sure.

Since Youtube basically told me to go eff myself and couple that with this new G+ nonsense (every single time they tried to connect me to G+ I declined) I removed all of my videos and shut my channel down.  I would have deleted my account but Google doesn't allow that.

I just wish Youtube would finally die and a real content provider emerge.

P.S.  Google Plus has been around since 2011 and has been an absolutely dismal failure for them (even read articles about it) so instead of making people want it they just shove it down our throats instead.  Eff 'em.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2013, 03:16:50 pm »
What is g+ got to do with youtube, and forcing it down to everyone is totally not acceptable.  I think it is a worthy effort for microsoft or apple to take it up and force google back. 
 

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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2013, 03:27:46 pm »
I will be placing all my videos on vimeo and I will be pulling all my content from google. If I need to pay $200 per year for vimeo pro for my videos, so be it. I might not need to, but if it comes to that I will pay for the higher account.
 

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2013, 03:37:18 pm »
I cannot agree more with the Youtube changes, there wacked and a pain in the ass. I can't fix the commenting problems, but I can somewhat control the convoluted Youtube webpage with this handy Chrome extension. I have been using this for about a year now, and it's great! Total control over your page view and other annoying aspects of Youtube.

https://spoi.com/software/yto/

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2013, 03:39:35 pm »
I think I need to rethink vimeo. I have to grant them the right to use my videos for any use they want, and I get the privilege to pay for it too? Any ideas anyone?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2013, 03:40:58 pm »
I will be placing all my videos on vimeo and I will be pulling all my content from google. If I need to pay $200 per year for vimeo pro for my videos, so be it. I might not need to, but if it comes to that I will pay for the higher account.
I was just starting out as a content provider and was hoping to make enough money to buy some equipment to make even better videos but I couldn't on Youtube.  I investigated Vimeo and I know I would need pro as I believe it was 1 upload per day and the giga byte limit is pretty mean for free.  After you go up in plans it does get better but their partner (I forgot what they call it) program is sorely lacking imo but, then again, we have Adblock Plus keeping us from making any money (ironic that the producers of Adblock Plus are trying to sell advertising to advertise an advertising blocking plugin).
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2013, 03:42:21 pm »
So much rage in this rant.  It's hilarious, if a little hastily made.

There is no YouTube, and there hasn't been for years.  It's just another Google property.  Google's just bringing all their social content under a single umbrella.  This is going to be a bumpy process, because it means changing the user experience incrementally over time.

I've been using G+ for a long time now.  In fact I found out about the EEVblog videos through someone sharing one on G+ a year or so ago.  Ultimately, this will just bring more viewers.  G+ is far from a ghost town, or a failure.

At any rate, keep up the good work.
 


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