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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2013, 03:42:56 pm »
I think I need to rethink vimeo. I have to grant them the right to use my videos for any use they want, and I get the privilege to pay for it too? Any ideas anyone?
WHOA!?!  I did not see that when I was investigating them as I stopped at the price but that is just wrong on too many levels.

I think we are just screwed and I know I will not return to Youtube with G+ being shoved up my ass and I am not sure if I will ever return unless they get a grip on the Adblock nonsense and implement something that will make content providers and viewers happy.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2013, 03:43:54 pm »
How to move YOUR data in and out of google products :

http://www.dataliberation.org/
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2013, 03:44:14 pm »
So much rage in this rant.  It's hilarious, if a little hastily made.

There is no YouTube, and there hasn't been for years.  It's just another Google property.  Google's just bringing all their social content under a single umbrella.  This is going to be a bumpy process, because it means changing the user experience incrementally over time.

I've been using G+ for a long time now.  In fact I found out about the EEVblog videos through someone sharing one on G+ a year or so ago.  Ultimately, this will just bring more viewers.  G+ is far from a ghost town, or a failure.

At any rate, keep up the good work.
Each to their own but you must be a pretty lonely tool in the tool bin since G+ has been a complete failure for Google.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2013, 03:48:09 pm »
I am not that concern about Google+ ability to track me and aggregate data, this is not new, we were already tracked before with every move we do on the internet. Install the Ghostery Chrome extension, it shows you the list of trackers on each page you visit, it's fascinating, this site for example seems to report every page visit to to Google Analytics.

My concern is that the Real Names trend that Facebook started and Google followed makes some of this aggregation public on 'my page' in conjunction with my real name. Teenagers like it and don't see any problem, I don't. That's why I stopped any contribution via  Youtube comments, Android apps ratings and Google Local restaurant reviews. Amazon still allows anonymity and so is this and similar forums and this where I provide feedback.

As for the usability regression Dave complained about, well, that's life, sometimes changes are great (e.g. Android keyboard swipe) and sometimes not (e.g. Gmail New Compose), nobody is perfect, and these decisions are often made by a not that senior product manager.

The most important thing when dealing with free services like these one is to adapt. Things change and will keep changing. Some changes we like and some we don't. When Google recently killed iGoogle I switched to Draggo and like it even more. Who Moved My Cheese is a recommended reading.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2013, 03:56:37 pm »
Well, at least now I don't have to worry about whether to start making videos for give-it-all-to-me-Google-pretty-please YouLube.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2013, 03:59:57 pm »
Each to their own but you must be a pretty lonely tool in the tool bin since G+ has been a complete failure for Google.

I'll ignore the personal slight, and just say that G+ has a thriving social community. 
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2013, 04:03:11 pm »
Each to their own but you must be a pretty lonely tool in the tool bin since G+ has been a complete failure for Google.

I'll ignore the personal slight, and just say that G+ has a thriving social community.
Compared to Facebook?  Every article I have read has said it was failing and at the last minute Google did this instead of pulling its life support.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2013, 04:04:31 pm »
I think I need to rethink vimeo. I have to grant them the right to use my videos for any use they want, and I get the privilege to pay for it too? Any ideas anyone?

Try Dropbox. You can get public links to folders and individual files and they don't even show your user name.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2013, 04:06:18 pm »
I think I need to rethink vimeo. I have to grant them the right to use my videos for any use they want, and I get the privilege to pay for it too? Any ideas anyone?

Try Dropbox. You can get public links to folders and individual files and they don't even show your user name.
I think he wants to make money from it and how does dropbox give you a following?  I only remember Dropbox from years ago as a place to grab a file (illegal and legal) and a bit surprised to see the name pop up.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2013, 04:11:49 pm »
I think he wants to make money from it ...

His post does not mention money.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2013, 04:14:30 pm »
I think he wants to make money from it ...

His post does not mention money.
Sort of inferred considering he has videos on Youtube and was willing to pay 200 a year to Vimeo.  If I am in error then so be it but you didn't say how it allows a following like Youtube and Vimeo do.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2013, 04:15:17 pm »
Correct, it is not MY intention to make money from my videos directly.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2013, 04:16:42 pm »
Correct, it is not MY intention to make money from my videos directly.
Ahhhh, but that leaves indirectly and you are willing to spend cash to host them?  I would love to see something from you.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2013, 04:27:07 pm »
Compared to Facebook?  Every article I have read has said it was failing and at the last minute Google did this instead of pulling its life support.

A full discussion probably wouldn't make sense in this thread, but in short, no.  G+ shouldn't be compared to Facebook, and thank God for that.  Ultimately the integration they're doing with their other properties will make it succeed in terms of sheer numbers (as this is ultimately the bean-counter definition of success), but it's been successful as a social site for quite a while now. 

If forced to compare G+ to Facebook as a user, I can only say that on G+ I get information about everything that matches my interests in tech, engineering, and a host of other areas before I ever see that stuff elsewhere.  On Facebook, the noise floor is just too high.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2013, 04:32:06 pm »
Compared to Facebook?  Every article I have read has said it was failing and at the last minute Google did this instead of pulling its life support.

A full discussion probably wouldn't make sense in this thread, but in short, no.  G+ shouldn't be compared to Facebook, and thank God for that.  Ultimately the integration they're doing with their other properties will make it succeed in terms of sheer numbers (as this is ultimately the bean-counter definition of success), but it's been successful as a social site for quite a while now. 

If forced to compare G+ to Facebook as a user, I can only say that on G+ I get information about everything that matches my interests in tech, engineering, and a host of other areas before I ever see that stuff elsewhere.  On Facebook, the noise floor is just too high.
Well, not a soul I know uses it AND, as I said, every article has said it was a failure since 2011 when it arrived on the scene.  G+ was supposed to be the Facebook killer but it failed miserably.  I am just saying that in the industry (probably those bean counters you mentioned) it has been a dismal failure.

Oh, did you know I also read where Google let it slip that Youtube was a failure and costing them money to run thanks to Adblock Plus, et. al., and what they let slip was beginning to charge a subscription for Youtube.  Most people feel that will not happen but something will since 70-90% of Youtube users use Adblock and Google can't make any revenue without ads (nor can we content providers).
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2013, 05:07:19 pm »
  If I am in error then so be it but you didn't say how it allows a following like Youtube and Vimeo do.

His post did not mention following either.

With Dropbox you share a link to a file or folder. It recognizes certain file types like videos and allow you to play online in a browser.  Here is an example https://www.dropbox.com/s/ow6ft1r8lwyqqud/sport_mode.mp4
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2013, 05:13:32 pm »
  If I am in error then so be it but you didn't say how it allows a following like Youtube and Vimeo do.

His post did not mention following either.

With Dropbox you share a link to a file or folder. It recognizes certain file types like videos and allow you to play online in a browser.  Here is an example https://www.dropbox.com/s/ow6ft1r8lwyqqud/sport_mode.mp4
So, nothing changed then but maybe he is one of those scammer types or those bloggers that post to Youtube and make it private?  I have no idea but most people don't just shove videos up on Youtube without wanting people to see them (hence the following I mentioned) but if he is one of those that just uses Youtube like a dropbox making the video private and linked on their blog then Dropbox could do it though it wouldn't open the video up on the page it would just be a link.

I personally feel Youtube was retarded for allowing videos of the private nature because people then use them like a drop box and Youtube is just a hosting site of the file. Far less potential for them to make money that way and if anything Google should disallow that practice since it doesn't really fit in with their growing community theme they are after.

Want to make a video private?  I can see some profit in it via forcing you to be a subscriber for pay.  So it would be like Youtube pro or something.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2013, 05:23:52 pm »
I`ll throw my suggestion into the mix/fire and grab some popcorn  :box:

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2013, 05:27:30 pm »
I`ll throw my suggestion into the mix/fire and grab some popcorn  :box:

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2013, 05:43:22 pm »
I make review videos of test equipment, mostly multimeters but others are coming. No scamming or making money from that.

I am also going to start publishing other types of videos and also to start showcasing some of my other multimedia services and work which are where I actually make money but not from showing them on the internet.

Youtube and google can die off for all I care. Youtube won't be getting any more of my content. Not that I am important or a big player but if everyone who doesn't make money from actually posting o youtube were to pull their content they would be in trouble I think.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2013, 06:03:09 pm »
Well,,, at least some people get money out of this.  >:D

 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2013, 06:27:39 pm »
David,
Lets face it... Google likes controlling our lives, and seems to have an agenda.   Bunch of self impressed Management, and software NOT written for users.   I bet the sucker engineers don't even bother to really test, or even give a damn about usability.  If any of my engineers had cut a corner to make it easy for them.. and not the user.. they would have road rash on their ass from skidding across the pavement as I kicked them out.
This is major upsetting... of all the content producers.. YOU are the only one I follow every single day, learn from often, see new equipment to consider, and yeah.. get a good chuckle often. 
I would just put at the top of the info for each video NOT to use the comments on Youtube but to comment here in the matching forum... fuck them.  Bypass the comments problem all together.   For those that don't read the note and use the Youtube comment then it is an automatic "Idiot Gauge" and their post is most likely  :bullshit: to begin with.
 
 
 
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2013, 06:32:02 pm »
That's something completely different. The way a like button can track you is because it's placed on another website and can "phone home" and tell Facebook you've visited that page. There is no magic involved here. If a page doesn't have a like button (or some similar mechanism) Facebook can't track your visit to that page.

Did I ever claim any magic? Im confused as to why you found it important to explain to me how it works. :o

There is nothing (except laws and regulations, and their terms of service) that stops Google from doing that already with Google ads,

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Google IS doing it from the start.

If a lot of sites start putting up"+1" buttons all over the place, that lets Google join that game even more, and a larger user base for G+ 

Wow, its almost like you retyped what I wrote :)

But just you getting a Google+ account makes no technical difference at all to that. Maybe just a small legal difference.

Its the other way around. Larger G+ user base, pumped artificially with mandatory Youtube integration, will MAKE third party sites think G+ is significant and add google's  +1 button.

YouTube had >300 million accounts in 2009. Currently google claims "More than 1 billion unique users visit YouTube each month", probably at least 2/3 are accounts. FB has ~1 Billion accounts.
Converting YT to G+ would make G+ userbase almost equal to FB overnight. Currently G+ is a JOKE and nobody serious uses it.
After YT integration it will be a joke with significant numbers, and sadly numbers rule (just look at all the fake twitter accounts).


My concern is that the Real Names trend that Facebook started and Google followed makes some of this aggregation public on 'my page' in conjunction with my real name. Teenagers like it and don't see any problem, I don't. That's why I stopped any contribution via  Youtube comments, Android apps ratings and Google Local restaurant reviews. Amazon still allows anonymity and so is this and similar forums and this where I provide feedback.

There is nothing anonymous if you have enough data, you can extrapolate and extract real identity by just leveraging big data.
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/shmat_oak08netflix.pdf
http://randomwalker.info/social-networks/ (sane author, one year later)
http://randomwalker.info/luther/kaggle-deanonymization/index.html
http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf

+ stylometry

http://youtu.be/oaiEZxOPS1Y?t=7m20s
http://randomwalker.info/publications/author-identification-draft.pdf
http://www.gizmag.com/identifying-authors-of-anonymous-emails/18091/




As for YT alternatives, I heard good things about twitch.
http://www.twitch.tv/p/partners
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2013, 06:35:01 pm »
The question is : do you really care ? i bet 99% of the comments appear on the forum.
I never read the comments on youtube.

As a content producer : simpy turn off commenting on the video and put a clear link to the forum below the video and mention it at the beginning of the video.
problem solved.

nobody needs to log in to a google+ account and the comments end up where they need to be.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2013, 06:44:14 pm »
As a content producer : simpy turn off commenting on the video and put a clear link to the forum below the video and mention it at the beginning of the video.
problem solved.

This is an excellent idea.  If a question, the viewer is likely to get a better more complete response here than the comments section of YT.  If a reasonable criticism, more likely to get noticed, and if it's just a jab or spam they are less likely to bother when they have to hit the forum or register to post.


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