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Offline ivaylo

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2013, 08:27:44 am »
Hmm, I would just ask for my money back. Oh wait, it was free... And they actually drive traffic to your sites so you can sell ads. Or am I missing something?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2013, 09:10:34 am »
Hmm, I could just live with it. Oh wait, there are laws against it... They tell that you may not do whatever you want if you have a monopoly.

These Laws are the reason Windows does not require you to install Internet explorer, and there is even a Windows version N being sold without the mediaplayer.

Somehow the anti-monopoly laws until now only have hit microsoft. I would love to see what happens when google or apple are hit by them.
Some ruling like " You cannot shove G+ up the ass of your users just because you are the biggest video sharing platform" would be appreciated.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2013, 09:18:13 am »
If you move to a video service that does not do commercials first, or host them yourself (and embed your own hosting on your mainpage)

I can assure you that hosting video myself is not an option in any way. It's barely a workable option for the 640x360 podcast version I have now, let alone with full HD and 20+ times as many viewers.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2013, 09:55:36 am »
been watching all this G+ integration since it started last week... tbh i hardly ever posted a comment on YT as i just thought it was a crap system, all the comments were just pointless and it was hard to navigate. Though i think it could have been improved they didnt need to integrate it like this.

I have G+ account but never use it, pretty much like everyone else.

Given how much backlash there is from this i might expect some backtrack, but then it is google, which makes me think of this slightly altered quote from THX1138

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Us: I just bought one of these yesterday, and it doesn't fit my consumer, and the store doesn't have any of the other kind.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2013, 05:45:30 pm »
Even one of the Youtube founders, Jawed Karim, made a re-appearance on Youtube since very long time, only to post his opinion on the matter: "why the f*ck do i need a google+ account to comment on a video?"
https://www.youtube.com/user/jawed/feed

 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2013, 06:02:53 pm »
If you move to a video service that does not do commercials first, or host them yourself (and embed your own hosting on your mainpage)

I can assure you that hosting video myself is not an option in any way. It's barely a workable option for the 640x360 podcast version I have now, let alone with full HD and 20+ times as many viewers.

It might be possible with h265, but that's still at least 6 months to a year away.  You can basically do the same quality in about half the size (or more if it's a lot of low motion stuff), so you might be able to encode 640x360 in as much disk space as a high quality MP3 file  (256-320 kbps)
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2013, 11:08:59 pm »
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Even one of the Youtube founders, Jawed Karim, made a re-appearance...

Yup, I know the guy (worked at PayPal with him). A bit duplicitous of him too. That acquisition made him a multimillionaire, now he is inconvenienced too?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #82 on: November 13, 2013, 01:32:38 am »
What's really happening here is Google's war on anonymity. There was already an uproar a year ago when Google started forcing a strict real name policy on G+. Lots of people left G+ then.

Now they're forcing G+ identities onto Youtube, therefore forcing a strict real name policy onto Youtube.

F-ed up UI issues aside, that's what is really happening here. No more nicknames on any Google product. All this crying about everything else is just a red herring.

Separation of your online identity from your offline identity is now STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Have a nice day!
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #83 on: November 13, 2013, 02:24:54 am »
Put wireshark on your connection while using anything made by Google.

You will be shocked and if you have any sense be smashing it into pieces with a sledge. If you have a chromecast get rid of it right now. All of your info short of your SSN is being transmitted in plaintext.

Do you want to tell the nsa your home address, GPS location, phone number, full name, email, all relevant serial numbers, webpage url (in tab mirror), inferred related user IDs
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #84 on: November 13, 2013, 02:31:57 am »
Here's some insight into how the YT changes affect a more mainstream channel. It's far worse than anything I've seen on any channels I subscribe to.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #85 on: November 13, 2013, 03:32:50 am »
Nothing sums up this giant, smelly fart better than the comments on that guy's video. Wow, if you thought the YouTube comment section was a wretched hive before... it's gone from "wretched hive of scum and villainy" to "pathetic hive of trolls and puerility".

You'd think by 2013 we'd have figured out how not to fuck up this whole "ranking comments" thing. It's like they are sorting by I.Q. of poster, ascending.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2013, 07:43:33 am »
As one that doesn't want Google to "know everything" , i use startpage.com and/or https://duckduckgo.com/ as my search
engines. And have g-analytics tamed also .... (noscript + hostfile).

So i hope i can watch the videos wo. a G+ account , and i will just comment here.

If i can't watch the videos wo. G+ , i will miss Dave's performance.
But will have to live with that decision :-(

I fear the worst , but hope for the best ....
Even though $$$ rules this world and soon all of the "net"

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #88 on: November 13, 2013, 08:44:36 pm »
I know that from my subscribed users "Skallagrim" and "Aussie50" both did also a video about this nonsense. First one even provided the same link for this petition that I also signed.
What kind of dislodged mind takes to make such a mess that frustrates such a variety of people? I never seen anything so badly designed and wrote site than Google+. Looks like a work of an 5 year old kid.
I managed to keep my YouTube ID as DjResR though, suck on it google  :P .
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2013, 01:43:59 am »
:o
People with 15 mil subscribers are turning comments off. This has to send some message to Google.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2013, 01:49:23 am »
I'm not sure about a message. I refuse to believe that managed to become this huge without employing lots of people with the foresight to see this coming. No, they knew this would happen, but something else was more important.

They know G+ is a failed shitstain.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2013, 02:00:53 am »
Google did this because they have firm grip over peoples throats, people that invested many hundreds of hours building viewer base.
At this point all that needs to happen is FB offering revenue sharing Video platform and YT will dry up overnight. You know its bad when people with 15 MILLION (:o) subscribers turn off comments and sent people to Reddit instead.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2013, 07:12:29 am »
Dave, maybe time to look at another service, must be something out there that isn't designed by committee and programmed by trained chimps.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #94 on: November 14, 2013, 07:20:36 am »
The clowns in the Google marketing dept. all got together, brainstormed, and came up with this camel of a comments system/Google+ integration. It's why they earn the big bucks.
If they wanted to improve the comments system in Youtube, they could certainly have done that without going anywhere near G+. They didn't need G+ to introduce a nice nested/threaded comments design. And there are better ways to limit spam. The spam now is worse than it's ever been, and a lot of the genuine comments aren't getting through the retarded spam filter.
And what on earth made them think doing this would reduce anonymity? It's just as easy to be anonymous on G+/broken Youtube as on Youtube "classic".
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #95 on: November 14, 2013, 07:21:29 am »
Dave, maybe time to look at another service, must be something out there that isn't designed by committee and programmed by trained chimps.

Looking at current circumstances, I don't see Dave can easily dumps youtube and jumps ship, and I guess he has to live with it for a while.  :-//


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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2013, 07:36:22 am »
And finally this is where Google plans to end:

http://tinyurl.com/kf4pvlg

Now, for all us WW2 history aficionados, what does that remind you of ?
Maybe in the future it will not be Google+ but Auschwitz-Birkenau+ !?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2013, 08:41:19 am »
People with 15 mil subscribers are turning comments off. This has to send some message to Google.

Who's that?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2013, 12:32:47 pm »
People with 15 mil subscribers are turning comments off. This has to send some message to Google.

Who's that?

https://www.youtube.com/user/PewDiePie/videos

btw I have no idea who this guy is and what are those vids about :D I think Im 'too old for that shit' to quote the classic.
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