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Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« on: November 25, 2015, 09:26:56 pm »
Just woke up to find my latst #823 Rigol teardown video has been taken down.
I cannot even get into my Youtube account without hitting acknowledge.
First time this has happened, what do I do now?
How do I find out why it was taken down? (I have an idea why and by whom)
Although it does mention spam and links to this page:
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973
So presumably that's the reasons why? If so it has to be an automated flagging mistake.
Should I hit "Acknowledge"?
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 09:30:14 pm »
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 09:31:31 pm »
Hopefully it was a mistake and not the other person again...
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 09:31:57 pm »
I don't like the wording of that with the Acknowledge button. Don't click, contact them.
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2015, 09:33:05 pm »
I bet it's the troll of Christmas past... We all know who it is  :palm:


Maybe Rigol forgot to blacktop/remark their FPGA/DACs in this one... Wouldn't want their competition finding out what off the shelf parts they use!
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2015, 09:34:56 pm »
Hopefully it was a mistake and not the other person again...

I hope so.
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 09:35:42 pm »
I don't like the wording of that with the Acknowledge button. Don't click, contact them.

I honestly don't even know how to contact them.
Might see if I can dig up a direct Youtube contact out of the archives.
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 09:36:05 pm »
As I heard said "Let's hope Rigol didn't just pull a Siglent"
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2015, 09:36:28 pm »
Can't see a problem with the acknowledge button - just indicating that you've read it.
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 09:37:07 pm »
Contact YouTube and find out what is going on.
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 09:41:28 pm »
Read this:
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2015, 09:42:25 pm »
That's stupid. There was nothing bad (reputation-wise) in that teardown.

I wonder how many votes from the "community" are required to do that to a channel.
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2015, 09:44:35 pm »
I'm pretty sure that if Sagan accidentally bashed the keyboard/mouse and clicked the Acknowledge button then it will not stand up in a court of law that you acknowledge anything.

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015, 09:46:07 pm »
Nobody wants it to go that far, though. Avoid making trouble for yourself.
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2015, 09:52:24 pm »
Google loves its one-choice dialogs.  They really give me the irks.

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2015, 09:52:40 pm »
I wonder if it was something as stupid as a false spam detection of multiple copies of the same content based on multiple matches of "rigol teardown"
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2015, 09:54:52 pm »
I wonder if it was something as stupid as a false spam detection of multiple copies of the same content based on multiple matches of "rigol teardown"

No, I don't think it could be that. There are many channels that have multiple videos with similar titles.
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2015, 10:03:46 pm »
From what I have seen to date, the marketing guys at Rigol are smart enought to not pull a move like this. But you never know. I would contact youtube no matter what, becuaee you need to learn what it was in the video that actually broke their rules, as it was clearly nothing obvious... For all you know you might unwillingly do it againand get yet another strike...
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2015, 10:10:00 pm »
I didn't get a chance to see the video, was there anything at all that someone could mistake for misleading or scammy words?  I wouldn't mind seeing it if a mirror exists (I haven't had a chance to watch this one myself).

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2015, 10:10:11 pm »
It's available again!  :-+
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2015, 10:12:29 pm »
Yeap, up again!
But someone made a good point abot Dailymotion before.

Dave, are you continuing to upload there as an alternative, or do they automatically pull it for you?

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2015, 10:14:24 pm »
Awesome! Now I can finish watching it. Dave, anything new on the reason why it was pulled in the first place?
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2015, 10:16:19 pm »
Aww, I knew she'll be alright! Bonzer! Total ripper! She's a bewdy! :-DD Chuck some chucks on the barby to celebrate!
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2015, 10:46:18 pm »
I was just thinking: Has Dave mentioned Dailymotion or and other Youtube competitors in the video?
What about these new "rules" Youtube laid out for content producers?
Wasn't there something basically like "Do not mention non-Youtube support networks" like Patreaon &Co
Or "Do not put your own advertising breaks into your videos" etc.

Maybe some minion at the youtube video reviewing department didn't get what was going on in the video and therefore hit the wrong button :palm:
All this could be a wakeup call to see if other video platforms would be as good as youtube is, and be suitable as a replcement/extension.
I use youtube a lot but I am not "married" to it (that makes more sense when you say that in german but I think you get what I mean).
And I would watch the video on any other platform as well. Most important is that the content creators get a fair share of the amount the platform makes from ads.

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2015, 11:05:17 pm »
Wasn't there something basically like "Do not mention non-Youtube support networks" like Patreaon &Co

If that's the case then half the prominent Youtubers would be taken down.

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Maybe some minion at the youtube video reviewing department didn't get what was going on in the video and therefore hit the wrong button :palm:

I doubt a human was ever involved, except to write the automated code.

Anyway, it's magically back up, and I have no idea why.
Account restored, I never had to hit Acknowledge, and no mention of it anywhere ever happening!  :-//
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2015, 11:13:32 pm »
Maybe some minion at the youtube video reviewing department didn't get what was going on in the video and therefore hit the wrong button :palm:


But somebody had to file a complaint before they took action and pulled it off yt...



So the questions are, who did it and why?  :-//
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2015, 11:16:31 pm »
Maybe Rigol wasn't happy that you called them out on those CapXon caps.  ::)

CapXon? CapXoff.

Thankfully, I get my EEVBlog fix through BitTorrent. Problems like this are why I don't like YouTube. They don't care about the users and they REALLY don't care about the content producers. They probably won't even tell you what you supposedly did wrong until you've already clicked the accept button. I have my doubts that a real person has even glanced at the case.

Google puts too much faith in their automated systems.
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2015, 01:05:01 am »
 :scared:

We can't have missing EEVblog episodes! Please keep us updated Dave on your progress.

Could you perhaps re-upload it as "#823 - The Episode that wasn't" so we can download it? :-)
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2015, 01:20:06 am »
Presumably Google just automatically take videos down after x complaints. (for x > 0)
Because the video was new the stats would look bad - i.e. 10 views and 1 complaint = 10%

Then they review them manually and restore them - which obviously takes a bit of time.

I think its just crowd-sourcing - i.e. why have a super fancy 'naughty/bad video checker' when they can get their users to do the work instead?
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2015, 02:54:49 am »
I am quite surprised at the symbol on the button at the upper right of the LCD screen.
That is quite simply the famous logo of the CBS (Columbia Broadcasting System) here in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if that symbol got "revised" in subsequent builds of this product.
It might not even be beyond the realm of possibility that was the "offense" that triggered the take-down?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS#Logos
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2015, 06:19:52 am »
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Anyway, it's magically back up, and I have no idea why.
Account restored, I never had to hit Acknowledge, and no mention of it anywhere ever happening!  :-//

I am glad that it kinda resolved itself. But it feels like a failure in a circuit board that shows once, just to disappears by itself without repair or chance to diagnose it. You won't trust that circuit board anymore.
Same for Youtube. So easy for them to take away an important part of your income.
It shows that content creators are basically at their mercy and they could do whatever they want. Scary!
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2015, 06:25:04 am »
Maybe Rigol wasn't happy that you called them out on those CapXon caps.  ::)

Rigol won't be nearly as popular as it is without Dave.

They are not stupid.
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2015, 06:51:12 am »
So it turns out that Dave has some fans working at Google and they got the issue escalated.
In the end it seems to be resolved without a trace it ever happened.

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2015, 06:53:04 am »
Maybe Rigol wasn't happy that you called them out on those CapXon caps.  ::)

Rigol won't be nearly as popular as it is without Dave.

They are not stupid.

Merely a joke. Besides, I think that Dave showed the signal generator in a very favorable way.

I am quite surprised at the symbol on the button at the upper right of the LCD screen.
That is quite simply the famous logo of the CBS (Columbia Broadcasting System) here in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if that symbol got "revised" in subsequent builds of this product.
It might not even be beyond the realm of possibility that was the "offense" that triggered the take-down?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS#Logos

I've heard of YouTube's automated systems flagging music, but apparently it's capable of flagging imagery as well.

"Everything from imagery to music gets flagged,"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/nasa_dmca_takedown/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/nasa_dmca_takedown/

Sounds plausible. But Dave's message clearly says that it was flagged for "spam".
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2015, 09:18:02 am »
In the last time i've seen that some "bigger" youtuber and streamer at Twitch get targeted by "Report" bots to get videos and or channels down.

At the same time the video of Dave got down, a sub-chanel of one of the biggest german youtuber / streamer got striked down.

I think there is rolling a big hate- / troll wave at the moment.
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2015, 09:27:10 am »
So it turns out that Dave has some fans working at Google and they got the issue escalated.

Really? Far more likely the normal process worked and service was restored. Occams Razor.

Escalating anything at a big organisation is a slow process. This video was down for a few hours at most. Not a big deal...
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2015, 09:32:12 am »
That's stupid. There was nothing bad (reputation-wise) in that teardown.

I wonder how many votes from the "community" are required to do that to a channel.

They clearly are too big.
Shameless the way how they take down the video and then send the maker in some labyrinth of pages and/or phonecentral.

Makes me think of all other organisations that are too big, monopolists or false-competition.

They could at least have given the specific reason and the used logic.

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2015, 09:49:49 am »
So it turns out that Dave has some fans working at Google and they got the issue escalated.

Really? Far more likely the normal process worked and service was restored. Occams Razor.

Escalating anything at a big organisation is a slow process. This video was down for a few hours at most. Not a big deal...

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2015, 09:55:53 am »
So it turns out that Dave has some fans working at Google and they got the issue escalated.

Really? Far more likely the normal process worked and service was restored. Occams Razor.

Escalating anything at a big organisation is a slow process. This video was down for a few hours at most. Not a big deal...


Wow, thanks - I stand corrected.
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2015, 02:41:16 pm »
I noticed the CBS logo on that button right away, but it wasn't until after I made the post that it occurred to me that it could have been the reason for the video to be taken down.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-823-rigol-dsg815-rf-signal-generator-teardown/msg807796/#msg807796
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2015, 04:45:25 pm »
I am quite surprised at the symbol on the button at the upper right of the LCD screen.
That is quite simply the famous logo of the CBS (Columbia Broadcasting System) here in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if that symbol got "revised" in subsequent builds of this product.
It might not even be beyond the realm of possibility that was the "offense" that triggered the take-down?

https://comiccongeek.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cbs-eye-con-icon-logos-header.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS#Logos
Heh, good spotting. I'll bet someone thought "we should put an eye symbol on the button", then put "eye symbol" into google image search and that came up.
 

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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2015, 07:36:08 am »
Could you imagine if this happened to say...pewdiepie...

"we have confirmed reports of...nuclear detonations outside the Youtube headquarters. It appears to have been caused by the buildup of anger converting into matter according to the equation E=mc2 where E is entropy, m is madness, and c2 is crap squared" :p
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Re: Rigol Teardown Video TAKEN DOWN
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2015, 06:01:23 pm »
Maybe some minion at the youtube video reviewing department didn't get what was going on in the video and therefore hit the wrong button :palm:


But somebody had to file a complaint before they took action and pulled it off yt...



So the questions are, who did it and why?  :-//

You know eevblog has its own obsessive troll who follows any mention of eevblog all over the internet and posts spam about it, right? You could make a pretty safe bet exactly who is filing complaints.

And commenters demanding Dave give up his source of income to assuage their offense at a video temporarily being taken down and then restored is rather...short sighted.

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