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Offline ales22

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #275 on: November 07, 2015, 10:13:00 pm »
I buyed AoE 2nd edition hard cover for 6 USD few days before, from local second hand books seller. But the book is in "new" condition, probably never used.   :-+
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #277 on: December 11, 2015, 02:49:22 am »
Just to bump this thread  :)
Learning The Art of Electronics 3rd edition can be pre-ordered now.
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So based on previous experience... it should be ready, what... 30 years from now?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #278 on: December 11, 2015, 05:47:27 am »
April 22, 2016  :)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #279 on: December 11, 2015, 06:12:03 am »
How much money are you willing to bet?  $75 maybe?  :)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #280 on: December 14, 2015, 06:01:17 pm »

It may be an artifact of the binding process. Running my fingers over the page I can feel that they are slightly bumpy in the vertical direction as well so maybe they use hot glue to bind them which then shrinks a bit and puts the pages under slight compression.

Just catching up on some back reading here and I thought I'd clarify this.

You're completely right. Sadly what passes as a 'hardback' book nowadays is actually constructed just like a paperback but with some cardboard slapped around the outside. Instead of a proper, stitched spine using folded sections the back edges are cut and glued in what is known as a "perfect binding" and if you're lucky a strip of cloth gets added along with the glue which may be hot melt or may be a thick aqueous paste that's very similar to PVA/Elmers/White* glue.

In a few years hard use the glued construction collapses completely, whereas there are traditional stitched spine books around that are hundreds of years old and are still servicable. The glued construction is *much* cheaper to make than the traditional stitched construction, sadly this isn't reflected in the premium price the customer typically pays for a hardback edition versus a paperback edition.

*Or whatever you call PVA emulsion where you come from.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #281 on: December 25, 2015, 03:29:10 pm »
A note from the co-author: We've recently learned that there are *counterfeits* abroad in the land (we're shocked, shocked!).
They make nice collector pieces, but, hey, not a good deal if you want the Real Thing.
Some folks who bought "new" copies on Amazon (marketplace seller) recently, priced suspiciously low, have reported some amusing errors (and crappy bindings), for example ligatures (lingo for pairs like fi, ffi, fl) not rendering; so my co-author Winfield has lost a piece of his soul, right on the title page, becoming "Wineld" (and analogous weirdnesses with "filter" in the Table of Contents, etc.).
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #282 on: December 25, 2015, 03:48:55 pm »
That didn't take them long.  ::)  :--
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #283 on: December 25, 2015, 05:19:19 pm »
After unwrapping my copy under the tree this morning and seeing this note I just had to peak at the title page - phew, name spelled correctly, guess I got the real thing!  (from Amazon BTW)  :phew:
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #284 on: December 25, 2015, 07:42:55 pm »
Some folks who bought "new" copies on Amazon (marketplace seller) recently, priced suspiciously low, have reported some amusing errors (and crappy bindings), for example ligatures (lingo for pairs like fi, ffi, fl) not rendering; so my co-author Winfield has lost a piece of his soul, right on the title page, becoming "Wineld" (and analogous weirdnesses with "filter" in the Table of Contents, etc.).
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Yeah, cheap OCR software I guess  :--  Luckily my copy is genuine!
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #285 on: December 25, 2015, 07:58:51 pm »
At first I was surprised they even bothered to OCR rather than just "xerox" it. Why go to that extra effort?

But of course they may have then had it "professionally" typeset and mass published which would explain the OCR.

Well we now know there is a (crappy) digital version out there that is not kept out of the public domain by the original authors/publishers alone.

Of course the fraudsters will not release this as it would affect their own criminal sales and so they will hold onto the fruits of all the "hard work" they did copying the original like grim death...

So anyone looking for a .epub or .pdf version will be left wanting...  :-DD

...and you can all sing for my personally digitized version!
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #286 on: December 25, 2015, 08:06:35 pm »
...and you can all sing for my personally digitized version!

More details please! :-+

Does it have links to all the figures, sections and references ... like the  one I dream about? :clap:
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #287 on: December 25, 2015, 09:02:27 pm »
More details please! :-+

Does it have links to all the figures, sections and references ... like the  one I dream about? :clap:
But of course. There would be no point digitizing it all and OCR and then correcting it, applying the errata and making all the diagrams nice and hi resolution and fit so perfectly otherwise.

A lot of hard work, hence why I will keep it to myself thank you very much.  :-DD
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #288 on: December 25, 2015, 11:45:33 pm »
But of course. There would be no point digitizing it all and OCR and then correcting it, applying the errata and making all the diagrams nice and hi resolution and fit so perfectly otherwise.

A lot of hard work, hence why I will keep it to myself thank you very much.  :-DD

Thanks Macbeth,

It's refreshing to find others that go to extreme lengths to get things to work exactly the way they want them to! :clap:

For a while I thought that I may be the only nut that would consider taking on an elaborate task of this magnitude to produce a single copy for myself! :palm:

Including references to other books and publications! :-DD
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #289 on: December 26, 2015, 01:29:25 pm »
After saving my pennies my copy arrived today from WebStore2012 ordered from Amazon.  I didn't pay for a shipping upgrade, they could have sent int in a box vie media mail for about $2; yet they chose to shove it in a USPS Flat rate Envelope.  Not the padded one that about 25 cents extra, the half a mm envelope thats just about only good for mailing a few sheets of paper.  I use to sell on Amazon and I have sold quite a few items on ebay; quality, service, fast shipping and my reputation has always been paramount,  Large sellers just don't care nor does Amazon or ebay; Amazon is going to make twice the  money selling it twice as used, since their is not a significant difference in price. 

The completely unexceptionable damage aside, I must say I am a little disappointed with the quality of paper and ink.  No there aren't color photographs, but for the price I expected paper that wasn't see through in low light.  I documented WebStore2012's complete negligence reported it to them and just wanted to  quickly pass on the info and get down to reading. 

I don't even want to think about the negative aspects of the entire situation anymore today.  Tomorrow I will open the almost certain automated reply from webcrap2012; bypass them and go straight to Amazon. 

Unfortunately in 2015 the cost of everything is up, I don't know the ins and outs of the publishing deal so I'm not going to speculate,  I'm just going to read my tattered copy and insist a new one is sent before I return the old.  I'm not accepting anything else and I shall remain happy as a clam just having a physical copy,

Hey...

I'm sorry to say it, but you all have to much free time.

Proofread 1200 pages and remake each figure by one person? You all are lying to me or seriously have and extreme form of OCD and Asperger. Nothing wrong about that, but I highly doubt you could remake that big book in that obsessive way by yourself.

They used an entire team of Indians for that. Yes, your precious expensive book is made thanks to cheap labor from third world.

Of course, I put this to be read by the original authors too.
 
But of course. There would be no point digitizing it all and OCR and then correcting it, applying the errata and making all the diagrams nice and hi resolution and fit so perfectly otherwise.

A lot of hard work, hence why I will keep it to myself thank you very much.  :-DD

Thanks Macbeth,

It's refreshing to find others that go to extreme lengths to get things to work exactly the way they want them to! :clap:

For a while I thought that I may be the only nut that would consider taking on an elaborate task of this magnitude to produce a single copy for myself! [emoji14]alm:

Including references to other books and publications! :-DD
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #290 on: December 26, 2015, 01:59:46 pm »
A note from the co-author: We've recently learned that there are *counterfeits* abroad in the land (we're shocked, shocked!).
They make nice collector pieces, but, hey, not a good deal if you want the Real Thing.
Some folks who bought "new" copies on Amazon (marketplace seller) recently, priced suspiciously low, have reported some amusing errors (and crappy bindings), for example ligatures (lingo for pairs like fi, ffi, fl) not rendering; so my co-author Winfield has lost a piece of his soul, right on the title page, becoming "Wineld" (and analogous weirdnesses with "filter" in the Table of Contents, etc.).
Paul

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #291 on: December 26, 2015, 02:09:03 pm »
Is Win Hill still on sci.electronics.design usenet?  ;D

Yes, now that the book's been released, he's been posting infrequently again. 8)

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #292 on: December 26, 2015, 04:41:23 pm »
Nothing wrong about that, but I highly doubt you could remake that big book in that obsessive way by yourself.

I  don't blame you! :D

It's nuts! :-DD
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #293 on: December 26, 2015, 06:23:50 pm »
I wasn't happy with my epub and pdf version I made, so I did some more work and made an Apple iPhone Art of Electronics App! It's the dogs bollocks I tell you! it has animated video and I've also cross referenced all part numbers to manufacturers datasheets and youtube. All the circuits have been remade in an embedded custom SPICE app and I've built an easy hardware interface with the venerable ebay M328 Transistor Tester - put your component in and the relevant book page comes up on the phone.  ;D
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #294 on: December 26, 2015, 06:53:05 pm »
... <snip> and I've built an easy hardware interface with the venerable ebay M328 Transistor Tester - put your component in and the relevant book page comes up on the phone.  ;D

I have an improved version made for Android. I just take a photo of a circuit board and the components, and the application will create a schematics for it with proper links to the Book for each component, create a SPICE simulation model for it,  show the datasheets of all components, and create a Kicad project for the circuit and PCB layout with the BOM for Digikey component codes. For the multilayer boards the photo needs to be taken so that a bright light is placed behind the PCB to show all the traces in the middle layers. Varying the color of the light, the traces will be shown by a layer basis. ;)
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #295 on: December 26, 2015, 06:53:51 pm »
I find these supposed custom resources hard to believe; surely if you're going to that much trouble, you'd contact the publisher and say "hey, no copyright infringement intended, would you be interested in..?"

Then again, that's something like saying "no homo" on something, you're more than likely to be misunderstood and attacked for it. :P

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #296 on: December 26, 2015, 09:09:25 pm »
I thought I was nuts! :-DD

But after reading some of these comments I feel saner by the minute! :phew:
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #297 on: December 26, 2015, 10:43:46 pm »
... <snip> and I've built an easy hardware interface with the venerable ebay M328 Transistor Tester - put your component in and the relevant book page comes up on the phone.  ;D

I have an improved version made for Android. I just take a photo of a circuit board and the components, and the application will create a schematics for it with proper links to the Book for each component, create a SPICE simulation model for it,  show the datasheets of all components, and create a Kicad project for the circuit and PCB layout with the BOM for Digikey component codes. For the multilayer boards the photo needs to be taken so that a bright light is placed behind the PCB to show all the traces in the middle layers. Varying the color of the light, the traces will be shown by a layer basis. ;)

My Android version is similar, except mine goes the last few steps, orders the parts, has it built for you and it arrives by DHL 24 hours later. Of course it lets you tweet about it directly from the app, if you feel you need to.

I thought everybody makes their own AoE App!

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #298 on: December 26, 2015, 10:56:26 pm »
@Macbeth Are you serious? You must be kidding. Please put some video of it :D
@Kalvin Oh yeah, that's great. What kind of drugs do you use? ;)

@McBryce

How much for an app that does that and is given to you by a very hot EE woman that loves you?

@TomC


I have an old 2nd edition that a british oldie geek gave me too, it's nice stuff but a bit outdated.

I can afford the damn book with some effort,. I plan to buy it if getting it cheaper, and even more if  there's a errata fixed version along with "Learning..." if the new version gets really revised and pedagogically good for fools like me (bad at maths, physics, memory, etc).

I can't afford to wear that giant ebook. I have a laptop and an ereader to avoid a lot of weight and deadtrees.

If those efforts true, I admire it and it's kind of sad others aren't able to enjoy it. But it's a shame in 2015 they didn't consider to make a digital release. If they're scared about piracy, that's going to happen even if they only release it in stones.

With the digital edition, they could use Epub3 (embed vectorial images, videos, datasheets, hires images, etc). They could add the removed chapters and even pay for updates, not just erratas but really interesting ones. This way it will be a live book, instead need to wait for a new edition. We're in a digital world on top of an analog one, but digital makes very easy to do iterative improvements. Please don't use propietary crap and go to the Epub3 standard, Oxford University Press loves it and it's a shit to use it on alternate platforms.

@Paul Horowitz

Congratulations for your book. I hope to see a book for fools like me that are bad at maths and such. I would love to learn all the necessary stuff, but finding books and a proper foolproof methodology makes is very difficult for me.

I know you must stay neutral and this book is owned by a giant publisher, so not going to put you in a compromise. Just read it, don't give your opinion: I cried a bit when knew about how even technical labor in books is externalized to countries with lower wages. There's lots of unemployed geeks out there that would love to make that, and the review process would be extreme.

April 2016? Why taking so long? Even a bunch of "nuts" did their own version ;)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #299 on: December 26, 2015, 11:31:41 pm »
My Android version is similar, except mine goes the last few steps, orders the parts, has it built for you and it arrives by DHL 24 hours later. Of course it lets you tweet about it directly from the app, if you feel you need to.

I thought everybody makes their own AoE App!

McBryce.
Damn you! I was going to convert my Apple version to Android over the next few days and release it on New Years day. But now I know my version has a superior competitor I have lost all motivation. I don't even have an iPhone, I just thought all the Hipsters would like the AoE book in that format so you can understand what a slog it has been developing it on my Win 95 laptop.

However my April version will include all your stuff but deliver it for free by DHL 24 hours before you even think about ordering some parts. I'm using the latest version of mndrdr.lib from Urigeller labs for this.

Sorry guys, my new year release is on hold... late March/early April release now  ;)
 


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