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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2015, 01:24:51 pm »
Would it be possible for Win to somehow sell these books directly to EEVblog members and pocket the money himself rather than paying Amazon (or whomever) a cut? 

I don't think book publishing works that way.

He might get a free copy or two from the publisher but all the big the piles of books will be in a warehouse where he doesn't have access.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2015, 01:26:23 pm »
Stupid question, if I will have the 3rd does it make sense to buy the 2nd too?

No. The 3rd will be an updated/revised version of the second. A lot of the content will be the same.

If was all new content it would be called "Volume 3" or something like that, not "3rd edition".
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2015, 01:33:04 pm »
Today Amazon.de schedule is 15-16 April for shipping.

No need to buy second edition, except for collectors. The digital part is completely obsolete (nearly 30 years old). French edition is in 2 volumes, one for analog, the other for digital and miscelaneous other things. The analog part is still a reference, even if a lot of indicated parts are no more available (transistors, opamps, ...)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2015, 02:56:41 pm »
Would it be possible for Win to somehow sell these books directly to EEVblog members and pocket the money himself rather than paying Amazon (or whomever) a cut? 

I don't think book publishing works that way.

He might get a free copy or two from the publisher but all the big the piles of books will be in a warehouse where he doesn't have access.

I have a few thoughts on this based on observations working with an author friend who has had a number of good sellers on Amazon. Typically the publisher will give you a handful of promotional copies to use to plug the book.  After that they all go to the distributor, typically Amazon, etc. they sell that quantity of books and based on sales they will either re press the book or let it sit out of stock for a while then wiat for orders to stack up before re ordering. When it feels like the "rush" is over they will re evaluate their inventory and if they or the publisher have more than a couple years worth of books on hand they will offer a large quantity of them to the author at a fraction of the cost,  otherwise they will destroy most of them for inventory control purposes and wait for another rush years later to repress. At this time you will see authors be able to cut great deals to people, but it has to be after the publisher/distributor makes all of their money after the initial Rush. After that things loosen up. My friend used to actually buy his own book by the case from Amazon and for a $20 hardback book would sign it, personalize it for whoever, and charge $25 for one of those coppies and told me he was making more money on that copy even after the shipping and labor thAn he was making per copy on the regular books. On the signed copy he calculated he Was making about $3 but the publisher was only paying pennies a piece. They take your advance for the book back out of the profits, then like the movie companies come up with all sorts of reasons not to pay you after that. But he keeps writing cause he likes it.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2015, 03:23:01 pm »
Today Amazon.de schedule is 15-16 April for shipping.

The book is currently at #1 on amazon.de and they haven't even shipped one yet!

 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2015, 07:40:13 pm »
Oddly conflicted this is happening.
I just got out of those 'broke college years' and my wife worked overtime to purchase the 2nd edition as my 2014 Christmas present. I can now afford purchasing the 3rd edition but i would feel bad not using the difficulty purchased 2nd edition.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2015, 07:52:30 pm »
From what other authors have told me.

They can actually make MORE MONEY from the commissions that Amazon pays if people purchase it via a link like Dave has setup for his little amazon affiliate store on the eevblog site.


Supposedly the affiliate pay from Amazon by providing merely a link to their personal web site to sell the book,  is much more than what they get per book from the publisher from having written the damn thing.

Kinda sad actually.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2015, 07:59:59 pm »
Oddly conflicted this is happening.
I just got out of those 'broke college years' and my wife worked overtime to purchase the 2nd edition as my 2014 Christmas present. I can now afford purchasing the 3rd edition but i would feel bad not using the difficulty purchased 2nd edition.

Is the dust cover the same size on both books...?   :-X
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2015, 08:04:56 pm »
They can actually make MORE MONEY from the commissions that Amazon pays if people purchase it via a link like Dave has setup for his little amazon affiliate store on the eevblog site.

Amazon commissions are no secret, they range from 4-8.5%:
https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/help/operating/advertisingfees

Considering that AoE is an incredible bestseller, I would expect that H & H are getting much higher royalty rates than that for this edition.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2015, 08:39:17 pm »
Oddly conflicted this is happening.
I just got out of those 'broke college years' and my wife worked overtime to purchase the 2nd edition as my 2014 Christmas present. I can now afford purchasing the 3rd edition but i would feel bad not using the difficulty purchased 2nd edition.
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

If you don't want to pay for a hardcover, you could wait for the International Edition to release (paperback, but same content). Suspect it would come in ~ $30 shipped.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2015, 08:51:51 pm »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2015, 10:05:41 pm »
Nice movie Dave,

The music used is not from the Stanley Cubrick movie but actualy from

Richard Strauss. It is named  "Also sprach Zarathustra" written in 1896.
You can read all about it on wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_%28Strauss%29
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2015, 10:25:04 pm »
Did you use gpu rendering for this video? Seemed like it had more visual effects than usual  ;D ;D

Some cross fades, real advanced stuff!

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2015, 10:43:16 pm »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

What the hell! Me!

I'm studying a two year electronics course at a vocational training school. We learn and mount circuits using. combinational and secuential circuits all the time on "microprogramable electronics" subject, soon we will learn to develop for Arduino too.

Despite it might look outdated, many teachers believe this classic style has a more didactic value to learn the grounds of basic knowledge, they are still used for easy circuits and many systems use software to do visual programming using them as abstraction (such as PLCs).

I disagree about removing them. I would make AoE all digital and live like with Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries. This way it can have no page limits and constantly updated. Paper versions would be like a selection of the most relevant parts of it. Some parts could have historical relevance, even for making replacements of old circuits.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2015, 12:31:22 am »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

What the hell! Me!

I'm studying a two year electronics course at a vocational training school. We learn and mount circuits using. combinational and secuential circuits all the time on "microprogramable electronics" subject, soon we will learn to develop for Arduino too.

Despite it might look outdated, many teachers believe this classic style has a more didactic value to learn the grounds of basic knowledge, they are still used for easy circuits and many systems use software to do visual programming using them as abstraction (such as PLCs).

I disagree about removing them. I would make AoE all digital and live like with Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries. This way it can have no page limits and constantly updated. Paper versions would be like a selection of the most relevant parts of it. Some parts could have historical relevance, even for making replacements of old circuits.

For an example of what happens when an author follows the continuous update route, look at Don Knuth and The Art of Computer Programming.  Volume 1 was published in 1968 - 47 years ago. Planned to be 7 volumes, but to date, due to revision of already published volumes, we have Vol 1, 3rd ed, Vol 2, 3rd ed, Vol 3, 2nd ed and Vol 4 being published in a series of fascicles, 5 currently published, I believe. 

Dr. Knuth is 77 years old or so, and hence it's extremely unlikely that the projected 7 volume series will be completed.

The Oxford dictionary staff is >> two people, and it's practical for them to publish a dictionary over an extended time, with annual updates.  And, after all, the first edition of the OED required 40 years (1888-1928) to publish the original 12 volumes. While later editions have been published on a somewhat faster cycle, it's still a slow process.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2015, 12:38:23 am »
Stupid question, if I will have the 3rd does it make sense to buy the 2nd too?

No. The 3rd will be an updated/revised version of the second. A lot of the content will be the same.

Win Hill advises otherwise, and recommends people keep their 2nd edition.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2015, 12:44:09 am »
Considering that AoE is an incredible bestseller, I would expect that H & H are getting much higher royalty rates than that for this edition.

Book authors typically get 10%, maybe 15% if you are lucky of the retail price for books published and distributed in the regular way.
The retailer is the one who makes the most money, then the publisher, then the distributor and author.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2015, 12:52:50 am »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

Your claiming understanding flip-flops is no longer needed? Just becouse you dont need something, docent mean there is not tons of people that do need it. And yes, i do sometimes still use humble flip-flops when microcontroller would be just too overkill complexity..
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2015, 01:14:22 am »
And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

Yes, because they are extremely useful, and MCUs are boringly limited. Try, for example, to get an MCU to do anything whatsoever with a 10Gb/s digital data stream (or even something 100 times slower, for that matter).

New devices (and indeed whole logic families) are still being introduced, e.g. the many 74*[1,2,3]g* devices. Have a look at one companie's 2015 logic catalogue http://www.nxp.com/documents/selection_guide/75017285.pdf
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2015, 01:59:29 am »
You must be worthy Dave, otherwise you would not have a pre-release copy-So we should all be supplicating to you now.

I'm special  ;D
Paul & Win are fans of the blog and contacted me and made sure it happened.



OK, now that you've repaid the favor by having a little fun and giving the book some not so insignificant publicity, is a considered review of the contents on the cards or can I just stop tuning into these discussions from now on with an expectation of potentially finding a reason to go ahead and buy a copy?

I think the AoE is a significant undertaking and a great book for a beginner, covering and introducing the reader to a large spectrum of the "art of electronics" design, but as a consequence of its breadth it doesn't cover any specific topic in particular depth and beyond the hype I find it of minimal use as an engineering reference. Heck, my collection of Prentice Hall editions from my TAFE days cover the theoretical basics of analogue circuit design in a order of magnitude greater detail than the AoE, making the latter, in that regard, pretty much redundant. If the 3rd edition is more of the same, just updated for the day, then I think I'll skip it. However the 3rd edition appears to come with a promise of a wealth of coverage of the arcane aspects of electronics design, which necessarily piques my interest. I honestly found none in the previous editions so details please.
 
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2015, 02:59:13 am »
Many year's ago an old bloke left me these, I'm now an old bloke...... :palm:

No CMOS or TTL here people.


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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2015, 06:43:23 am »
I would strongly advise against a teardown on this bit of kit.... :palm:


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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2015, 06:53:40 am »
OK, now that you've repaid the favor by having a little fun and giving the book some not so insignificant publicity, is a considered review of the contents on the cards

Yes.
I didn't do that video to "repay the favor", I did it because I thought it would be fun, nothing more, nothing less.
And FYI, in fact I had already done considerable work and secured an advance copy before H&H emailed me and said they'll make it happen.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2015, 07:19:28 am »
OK, now that you've repaid the favor by having a little fun and giving the book some not so insignificant publicity, is a considered review of the contents on the cards

Yes.
I didn't do that video to "repay the favor", I did it because I thought it would be fun, nothing more, nothing less.
And FYI, in fact I had already done considerable work and secured an advance copy before H&H emailed me and said they'll make it happen.



I'll take you word for it but FYI I think you've repaid the favor regardless of your intentions. No need to get touchy over perceived implied implications. I'm looking forward to the review.


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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2015, 07:54:35 am »
Many year's ago an old bloke left me these, I'm now an old bloke...... :palm:

No CMOS or TTL here people.


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I'd be concerned for myself if I knew for certain what your point is, but I am far from impressed by your volume dated 1947  :P

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