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The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« on: March 26, 2015, 10:38:06 am »
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2015, 10:44:17 am »
Well that was informative  ::)
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2015, 10:50:25 am »
Well that was informative  ::)
I hate Stanley Kubrick.

Lighten up, dude .... Jeez.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2015, 10:55:33 am »
but is the book size the squares of 1,2,3  (1 by 4 by 9)  ?
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2015, 11:10:57 am »
No but if "Dave" opens it he will be transformed.  HiHi.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2015, 11:18:33 am »
Yes my dear sir, thou art worthy
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2015, 11:20:38 am »
:)  :-+
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2015, 11:24:12 am »
Question is: do u have it........?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 11:25:12 am »
Makes me cringe and laugh at the same time. :)  :-DD :(
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2015, 11:30:39 am »
For the true 2001 experience Dave and Seppy need to circle around it on all fours throwing rocks. I wonder what happens when sunlight strikes it for the first time?

Oh yes, and a lot of us DO like the movies of Stanley Kubrick
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 11:42:49 am »
Well that was informative  ::)
I hate Stanley Kubrick.

Lighten up, dude .... Jeez.


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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2015, 11:46:23 am »
For the true 2001 experience Dave and Seppy need to circle around it on all fours throwing rocks.


Believe it or not, after the first 5 seconds that is entirely what I was expecting to see.

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2015, 12:32:36 pm »
Received an email from Amazon (UK) yesterday saying I will get my copy April 16 2015 - April 18 2015

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2015, 12:36:02 pm »
Question is: do u have it........?

Do you think I edited an image into the video?  :-//
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2015, 12:54:42 pm »
I would strongly advise against a teardown on this bit of kit.... :palm:


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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2015, 01:03:39 pm »
I don't see any copies of the second edition going cheap. That would be useful to me, since I seem to be surrounded by old components.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2015, 01:21:51 pm »
but is the book size the squares of 1,2,3  (1 by 4 by 9)  ?
It's the coffee table edition 1, 9, 81....
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2015, 01:36:14 pm »
Who is the 'extra'?   Is he the same guy who turned the scope upside-down?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2015, 01:49:12 pm »
Who is the 'extra'?   Is he the same guy who turned the scope upside-down?

I didn't go back and check, but I think so.  Must be the intern Dave was looking to hire.

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2015, 02:29:06 pm »
I would strongly advise against a teardown on this bit of kit.... :palm:


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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2015, 02:45:10 pm »
I just ordered mine! Apparently an online-bookstore in Sweden claimed to have it in stock, surprising since not even amazon has it yet...
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2015, 02:59:01 pm »
I don't see any copies of the second edition going cheap. That would be useful to me, since I seem to be surrounded by old components.
You could opt for the International Edition, which is the same content in a paperback. Example.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2015, 03:10:16 pm »
1) so.... is it good?


and


2) Thank <insert diety>!  Now we can FINALLY be done with the "OMG when is Win going to get that book done, I am so angry that he didn't finish it yet!!!!"
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2015, 03:13:11 pm »
I ordered it on BookDepository at the beginning of this month and it said the expected delivery should be April 30th.
Today I received an email saying that the package is on the way. ;D

They now claim to have it in stock, but the price is significantly higher. :)
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2015, 03:15:46 pm »
It is close to April 1, ya know...
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2015, 03:25:03 pm »
You must be worthy Dave, otherwise you would not have a pre-release copy-So we should all be supplicating to you now.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2015, 03:34:23 pm »
My Amazon preorder US  says May 13-16 delivery

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2015, 03:38:23 pm »
The 2nd edition was translated to Russian in 1993 and printed in large volumes. This is how it looked: large format with soft cover in 3 volumes. Each volume had the cover in its own bright color.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2015, 03:45:20 pm »
I just downloaded a pre-release copy off The Pirate Bay. I give it two thumbs up.  :-+  :-+

Much better than the previous version...

 

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2015, 03:50:33 pm »
It is close to April 1, ya know...

I definitely checked the date before clicking on the video.
 

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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2015, 04:04:12 pm »
My Amazon preorder US  says May 13-16 delivery
Hmmm...  My pre-order (from January) doesn't have a delivery date yet.  But Amazon is listing the release date as March 31.
 

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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2015, 04:11:37 pm »
I just downloaded a pre-release copy off The Pirate Bay. I give it two thumbs up.  :-+  :-+

Much better than the previous version...

I pre-ordered my copy today. Surprisingly the price was OK even here. What is new there ? I happen to have a PDF version of the 2nd edition and realized that I need a  paper version very soon.

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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2015, 05:05:32 pm »
When Amazon announces an earlier than expected delivery date:


When the book is finally delivered:
 

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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2015, 05:41:01 pm »
Photoshop....
If they can fake the moon landing in the 60s they can fake this too. 

Wouldn't it be great if it was a giant scam and Winfield and Hill took all these pre-orders for the last 25 years and then disappeared.
 

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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 06:12:05 pm »
I just downloaded a pre-release copy off The Pirate Bay. I give it two thumbs up.  :-+  :-+

Much better than the previous version...

I pre-ordered my copy today. Surprisingly the price was OK even here. What is new there ? I happen to have a PDF version of the 2nd edition and realized that I need a  paper version very soon.

 I happen to have a pdf version as well, hoverer I always feel that reading pdfs especially technical stuff is very difficult compare to a real book. maybe it's just me. Ordered a copy today as well.
 

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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2015, 06:24:09 pm »
This needed to end with a multimeter being thrown spinning up into the air...
 

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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2015, 06:51:46 pm »


Imagine that same picture with a Fluke 27 photoshopped in!   :-DD

(No, I can't be bothered to do it...)
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2015, 06:58:38 pm »
Great video Dave  :-+

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« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2015, 07:17:12 pm »
I've pre-ordered my copy from Waterstones, post free. Expected date 30th April.

Oh! This reminds me of pre-ordering Harry Potter books just before publication dates.
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« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2015, 07:18:39 pm »
Now that's definitely in my to buy list... Sadly i had no money to preorder so will have to pay regular price.

Like someone put it: were not worthy....  :-DD

All we need now is video of Dave going over whats changed...
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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2015, 08:00:47 pm »
Now that's definitely in my to buy list... Sadly i had no money to preorder so will have to pay regular price.

If only you had known they don't take the money until dispatch day :palm: Even then I have another month to settle the credit card before interest racks up.
 

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« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2015, 08:24:33 pm »
yay for Dave finally joining YT network (Warner Music Group)  :-DD
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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2015, 08:30:08 pm »
I don't see any copies of the second edition going cheap. That would be useful to me, since I seem to be surrounded by old components.

https://www.adafruit.com/products/309

Cost more than the new one.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2015, 09:33:44 pm »
there's an Indian print version for people who can't afford expensive hard covers. (the 2nd ed., that is)
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2015, 09:45:27 pm »
Amazon Germany seems to have a reasonable price:

The Art of Electronics
Horowitz, Paul,Hill, Winfield
Verkauft von: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.

EUR 66,32
(oder weniger)

Ordered it yesterday morning (2015-03-25 07:44 CET).

...

Wait, it's priced EUR 75,95 now (39 hours later) :-/ I'll have to keep an eye on my credit card charges.
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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2015, 09:53:39 pm »
This needed to end with a multimeter being thrown spinning up into the air...
totally !  :-+
 

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« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2015, 10:22:52 pm »
there's an Indian print version for people who can't afford expensive hard covers
Books in Soft covers always tell me how serious the authors were about their books.
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« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2015, 11:19:12 pm »
I still didn't get any email. I ordered on amazon feb 2nd.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2015, 01:26:38 am »
yay for Dave finally joining YT network (Warner Music Group)  :-DD

yeah, they auto-flagged the music.
Where does it say that publicly?
 

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« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2015, 01:30:14 am »
You must be worthy Dave, otherwise you would not have a pre-release copy-So we should all be supplicating to you now.

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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2015, 01:38:16 am »
Books in Soft covers always tell me how serious the authors were about their books.

I don't know what you mean. The Cambridge University Press India is specifically printing on the cheapest paper, and of course soft cover, to save cost for the end user. What makes you think the two blokes weren't serious about their book?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
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« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2015, 05:58:26 am »
As of right now Amazon has it available prime (free shipping) for $110 and change. A bit of a sticker shock for an electronics book, but I had to remind myself they are basically going more after text book type markets and that is typical if not downright reasonable pricing in that market.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2015, 06:46:02 am »
Ooh, so Alice Cooper was in your lab? ;) Hmm, nerds making a TV show from their basement... ok, close enough anyway :D

Unsure though why that old-fashioned conglomerate of plant fibers is obstructing the view :D Ohh wait, I think I get it: ;)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2015, 06:54:06 am »
Did you use gpu rendering for this video? Seemed like it had more visual effects than usual  ;D ;D
 

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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2015, 08:01:59 am »
If anyone wants a hardcover copy of the SECOND edition, I will send it for the price of postage once my third edition arrives.
 

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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2015, 08:05:33 am »
That's a very nice offer Dubbie.
I might be very interested. Where are you located?

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« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2015, 08:06:15 am »
New Zealand

I'd prefer to give it to someone who will read it, not just someone looking to resell it.
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« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2015, 08:36:12 am »
" And presented in Dave's unique non-scripted overly enthusiastic style! "

Hmm, non-scripted?? Ok, it is a short video so I guess the idea was born only a few minutes before shooting this video. ;) Most important thing, you brought a smile to my face  :D
 

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« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2015, 09:43:26 am »
Isn't this for the eevBLAB? Funny video anyway!
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2015, 10:16:43 am »
Just pre-order it.
Shipping is free only inside Germany. Ordering from France, I have to pay the shipping, OK, but the book is sent from the European store in France... Anyway, at the end the price is 25% less in Germany!

Amazon Germany seems to have a reasonable price:

The Art of Electronics
Horowitz, Paul,Hill, Winfield
Verkauft von: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.

EUR 66,32
(oder weniger)

Ordered it yesterday morning (2015-03-25 07:44 CET).

...

Wait, it's priced EUR 75,95 now (39 hours later) :-/ I'll have to keep an eye on my credit card charges.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2015, 10:49:09 am »
Just pre-order it.
Shipping is free only inside Germany. Ordering from France, I have to pay the shipping, OK, but the book is sent from the European store in France... Anyway, at the end the price is 25% less in Germany!

Yep, Germany seems cheaper for some reason.

So much for the "Euro Zone" eliminating price differences between member countries...

 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2015, 11:25:30 am »
I cannot see why Warner should be involved where the opening of '2001' is concerned. The movie was distributed by MGM which is now part of Sony and anyway it's a classical music piece which should be out of copyright.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #65 on: March 27, 2015, 11:34:28 am »
Did you use gpu rendering for this video? Seemed like it had more visual effects than usual  ;D ;D

Some cross fades, real advanced stuff!
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #66 on: March 27, 2015, 12:26:34 pm »
I just downloaded a pre-release copy off The Pirate Bay. I give it two thumbs up.  :-+  :-+

Much better than the previous version...
Care to PM me a link to the torrent? Searching TPB and Google in general only brings up the 2nd edition. It's also not on several private sites I'm a member of.
Ditto to what timb said!

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2015, 12:28:59 pm »

I just downloaded a pre-release copy off The Pirate Bay. I give it two thumbs up.  :-+  :-+

Much better than the previous version...
Care to PM me a link to the torrent? Searching TPB and Google in general only brings up the 2nd edition. It's also not on several private sites I'm a member of.
Ditto to what timb said!

I think you have both been trolled hard  :-DD I took the original post as a joke, maybe it's that British humour we are famous for?

I enjoy British humor and didn't take the post that way, but maybe you're right. Then again someone else mentioned having a download too.

(For the record I've pre-ordered the book, but I want a copy for my iPad as well.)


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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2015, 12:36:56 pm »
I just downloaded a pre-release copy off The Pirate Bay. I give it two thumbs up.  :-+  :-+
Care to PM me a link to the torrent? Searching TPB and Google in general only brings up the 2nd edition. It's also not on several private sites I'm a member of.
Ditto to what timb said!
I think you have both been trolled hard  :-DD I took the original post as a joke, maybe it's that British humour we are famous for?

I particularly enjoyed all the "link please!!! OMG!!" PMs....  >:D
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2015, 12:38:04 pm »

I just downloaded a pre-release copy off The Pirate Bay. I give it two thumbs up.  :-+  :-+
Care to PM me a link to the torrent? Searching TPB and Google in general only brings up the 2nd edition. It's also not on several private sites I'm a member of.
Ditto to what timb said!
I think you have both been trolled hard  :-DD I took the original post as a joke, maybe it's that British humour we are famous for?

I particularly enjoyed all the "link please!!! OMG!!" PMs....  >:D

So you basically trolled yourself then? Good job!


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« Reply #70 on: March 27, 2015, 01:08:24 pm »
I particularly enjoyed all the "link please!!! OMG!!" PMs....  >:D
So you basically trolled yourself then? Good job!

Which part of the word 'enjoy' didn't you understand?

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« Reply #71 on: March 27, 2015, 01:14:00 pm »
Having my inbox clogged up and notifications going off constantly would annoy me, but maybe you're a masochist? To each their own.

(No, I don't type the signature every time. It's part of Tapatalk. I didn't remove it because typing on my phone or tablet sometimes generates weird words to to autocorrect, also genital spelling and gramophone Miss steaks. The signature lets people know I'm not completely retarded.)


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« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2015, 01:17:36 pm »
You must be worthy Dave, otherwise you would not have a pre-release copy-So we should all be supplicating to you now.

I'm special  ;D
Paul & Win are fans of the blog and contacted me and made sure it happened.

Dave,

I am not well versed in how well authors get paid, but I've known Win (electronically) for years and he has been immensely helpful to me and incredibly generous with his time and advice to everyone I've ever seen ask him questions.   

Would it be possible for Win to somehow sell these books directly to EEVblog members and pocket the money himself rather than paying Amazon (or whomever) a cut? 

Or perhaps the margins in the book industry do not make this worthwhile?  If the margins are fat, he could even perhaps arrange a group-buy below MSRP and he'd get alot more profit and we'd all get a small discount.

Possible?
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« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2015, 01:21:00 pm »
Having my inbox clogged up and notifications going off constantly would annoy me, but maybe you're a masochist? To each their own.

Oh, I see.

I'm still part of the generation who doesn't carry a beeping/vibrating box around with me 24/7.

I woke up this morning and noticed there were some emails in my inbox after I opened my email client. Didn't disturb me at all...

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« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2015, 01:22:41 pm »
Preordered the 3rd edition on amazon.de (ETA 3 May 2015 here in Germany)

Stupid question, if I will have the 3rd does it make sense to buy the 2nd too?
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« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2015, 01:24:51 pm »
Would it be possible for Win to somehow sell these books directly to EEVblog members and pocket the money himself rather than paying Amazon (or whomever) a cut? 

I don't think book publishing works that way.

He might get a free copy or two from the publisher but all the big the piles of books will be in a warehouse where he doesn't have access.
 

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« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2015, 01:26:23 pm »
Stupid question, if I will have the 3rd does it make sense to buy the 2nd too?

No. The 3rd will be an updated/revised version of the second. A lot of the content will be the same.

If was all new content it would be called "Volume 3" or something like that, not "3rd edition".
 

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« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2015, 01:33:04 pm »
Today Amazon.de schedule is 15-16 April for shipping.

No need to buy second edition, except for collectors. The digital part is completely obsolete (nearly 30 years old). French edition is in 2 volumes, one for analog, the other for digital and miscelaneous other things. The analog part is still a reference, even if a lot of indicated parts are no more available (transistors, opamps, ...)
 

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« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2015, 02:56:41 pm »
Would it be possible for Win to somehow sell these books directly to EEVblog members and pocket the money himself rather than paying Amazon (or whomever) a cut? 

I don't think book publishing works that way.

He might get a free copy or two from the publisher but all the big the piles of books will be in a warehouse where he doesn't have access.

I have a few thoughts on this based on observations working with an author friend who has had a number of good sellers on Amazon. Typically the publisher will give you a handful of promotional copies to use to plug the book.  After that they all go to the distributor, typically Amazon, etc. they sell that quantity of books and based on sales they will either re press the book or let it sit out of stock for a while then wiat for orders to stack up before re ordering. When it feels like the "rush" is over they will re evaluate their inventory and if they or the publisher have more than a couple years worth of books on hand they will offer a large quantity of them to the author at a fraction of the cost,  otherwise they will destroy most of them for inventory control purposes and wait for another rush years later to repress. At this time you will see authors be able to cut great deals to people, but it has to be after the publisher/distributor makes all of their money after the initial Rush. After that things loosen up. My friend used to actually buy his own book by the case from Amazon and for a $20 hardback book would sign it, personalize it for whoever, and charge $25 for one of those coppies and told me he was making more money on that copy even after the shipping and labor thAn he was making per copy on the regular books. On the signed copy he calculated he Was making about $3 but the publisher was only paying pennies a piece. They take your advance for the book back out of the profits, then like the movie companies come up with all sorts of reasons not to pay you after that. But he keeps writing cause he likes it.
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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2015, 03:23:01 pm »
Today Amazon.de schedule is 15-16 April for shipping.

The book is currently at #1 on amazon.de and they haven't even shipped one yet!

 

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« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2015, 07:40:13 pm »
Oddly conflicted this is happening.
I just got out of those 'broke college years' and my wife worked overtime to purchase the 2nd edition as my 2014 Christmas present. I can now afford purchasing the 3rd edition but i would feel bad not using the difficulty purchased 2nd edition.
 

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« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2015, 07:52:30 pm »
From what other authors have told me.

They can actually make MORE MONEY from the commissions that Amazon pays if people purchase it via a link like Dave has setup for his little amazon affiliate store on the eevblog site.


Supposedly the affiliate pay from Amazon by providing merely a link to their personal web site to sell the book,  is much more than what they get per book from the publisher from having written the damn thing.

Kinda sad actually.
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« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2015, 07:59:59 pm »
Oddly conflicted this is happening.
I just got out of those 'broke college years' and my wife worked overtime to purchase the 2nd edition as my 2014 Christmas present. I can now afford purchasing the 3rd edition but i would feel bad not using the difficulty purchased 2nd edition.

Is the dust cover the same size on both books...?   :-X
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« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2015, 08:04:56 pm »
They can actually make MORE MONEY from the commissions that Amazon pays if people purchase it via a link like Dave has setup for his little amazon affiliate store on the eevblog site.

Amazon commissions are no secret, they range from 4-8.5%:
https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/help/operating/advertisingfees

Considering that AoE is an incredible bestseller, I would expect that H & H are getting much higher royalty rates than that for this edition.
 

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« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2015, 08:39:17 pm »
Oddly conflicted this is happening.
I just got out of those 'broke college years' and my wife worked overtime to purchase the 2nd edition as my 2014 Christmas present. I can now afford purchasing the 3rd edition but i would feel bad not using the difficulty purchased 2nd edition.
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

If you don't want to pay for a hardcover, you could wait for the International Edition to release (paperback, but same content). Suspect it would come in ~ $30 shipped.
 

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« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2015, 08:51:51 pm »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

 

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« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2015, 10:05:41 pm »
Nice movie Dave,

The music used is not from the Stanley Cubrick movie but actualy from

Richard Strauss. It is named  "Also sprach Zarathustra" written in 1896.
You can read all about it on wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_%28Strauss%29
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« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2015, 10:25:04 pm »
Did you use gpu rendering for this video? Seemed like it had more visual effects than usual  ;D ;D

Some cross fades, real advanced stuff!

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« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2015, 10:43:16 pm »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

What the hell! Me!

I'm studying a two year electronics course at a vocational training school. We learn and mount circuits using. combinational and secuential circuits all the time on "microprogramable electronics" subject, soon we will learn to develop for Arduino too.

Despite it might look outdated, many teachers believe this classic style has a more didactic value to learn the grounds of basic knowledge, they are still used for easy circuits and many systems use software to do visual programming using them as abstraction (such as PLCs).

I disagree about removing them. I would make AoE all digital and live like with Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries. This way it can have no page limits and constantly updated. Paper versions would be like a selection of the most relevant parts of it. Some parts could have historical relevance, even for making replacements of old circuits.
 

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« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2015, 12:31:22 am »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

What the hell! Me!

I'm studying a two year electronics course at a vocational training school. We learn and mount circuits using. combinational and secuential circuits all the time on "microprogramable electronics" subject, soon we will learn to develop for Arduino too.

Despite it might look outdated, many teachers believe this classic style has a more didactic value to learn the grounds of basic knowledge, they are still used for easy circuits and many systems use software to do visual programming using them as abstraction (such as PLCs).

I disagree about removing them. I would make AoE all digital and live like with Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries. This way it can have no page limits and constantly updated. Paper versions would be like a selection of the most relevant parts of it. Some parts could have historical relevance, even for making replacements of old circuits.

For an example of what happens when an author follows the continuous update route, look at Don Knuth and The Art of Computer Programming.  Volume 1 was published in 1968 - 47 years ago. Planned to be 7 volumes, but to date, due to revision of already published volumes, we have Vol 1, 3rd ed, Vol 2, 3rd ed, Vol 3, 2nd ed and Vol 4 being published in a series of fascicles, 5 currently published, I believe. 

Dr. Knuth is 77 years old or so, and hence it's extremely unlikely that the projected 7 volume series will be completed.

The Oxford dictionary staff is >> two people, and it's practical for them to publish a dictionary over an extended time, with annual updates.  And, after all, the first edition of the OED required 40 years (1888-1928) to publish the original 12 volumes. While later editions have been published on a somewhat faster cycle, it's still a slow process.
 

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« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2015, 12:38:23 am »
Stupid question, if I will have the 3rd does it make sense to buy the 2nd too?

No. The 3rd will be an updated/revised version of the second. A lot of the content will be the same.

Win Hill advises otherwise, and recommends people keep their 2nd edition.
 

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« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2015, 12:44:09 am »
Considering that AoE is an incredible bestseller, I would expect that H & H are getting much higher royalty rates than that for this edition.

Book authors typically get 10%, maybe 15% if you are lucky of the retail price for books published and distributed in the regular way.
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« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2015, 12:52:50 am »
There's material in the 2nd ed. that's not in the 3rd ed. and vice versa as I understand it, so having both might actually be a good idea.

Hopefully the stuff they removed was the stuff that's no longer relevant/useful in the 21st century. The "digital" section has a lot of stuff that's hopelessly outdated, eg. the section on assembly language using the 808618 instruction set.

And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

Your claiming understanding flip-flops is no longer needed? Just becouse you dont need something, docent mean there is not tons of people that do need it. And yes, i do sometimes still use humble flip-flops when microcontroller would be just too overkill complexity..
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« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2015, 01:14:22 am »
And does anybody still mess around with flip-flops now we have ubiquitous microcontrollers...?

Yes, because they are extremely useful, and MCUs are boringly limited. Try, for example, to get an MCU to do anything whatsoever with a 10Gb/s digital data stream (or even something 100 times slower, for that matter).

New devices (and indeed whole logic families) are still being introduced, e.g. the many 74*[1,2,3]g* devices. Have a look at one companie's 2015 logic catalogue http://www.nxp.com/documents/selection_guide/75017285.pdf
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« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2015, 01:59:29 am »
You must be worthy Dave, otherwise you would not have a pre-release copy-So we should all be supplicating to you now.

I'm special  ;D
Paul & Win are fans of the blog and contacted me and made sure it happened.



OK, now that you've repaid the favor by having a little fun and giving the book some not so insignificant publicity, is a considered review of the contents on the cards or can I just stop tuning into these discussions from now on with an expectation of potentially finding a reason to go ahead and buy a copy?

I think the AoE is a significant undertaking and a great book for a beginner, covering and introducing the reader to a large spectrum of the "art of electronics" design, but as a consequence of its breadth it doesn't cover any specific topic in particular depth and beyond the hype I find it of minimal use as an engineering reference. Heck, my collection of Prentice Hall editions from my TAFE days cover the theoretical basics of analogue circuit design in a order of magnitude greater detail than the AoE, making the latter, in that regard, pretty much redundant. If the 3rd edition is more of the same, just updated for the day, then I think I'll skip it. However the 3rd edition appears to come with a promise of a wealth of coverage of the arcane aspects of electronics design, which necessarily piques my interest. I honestly found none in the previous editions so details please.
 
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« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2015, 02:59:13 am »
Many year's ago an old bloke left me these, I'm now an old bloke...... :palm:

No CMOS or TTL here people.


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« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2015, 06:43:23 am »
I would strongly advise against a teardown on this bit of kit.... :palm:


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« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2015, 06:53:40 am »
OK, now that you've repaid the favor by having a little fun and giving the book some not so insignificant publicity, is a considered review of the contents on the cards

Yes.
I didn't do that video to "repay the favor", I did it because I thought it would be fun, nothing more, nothing less.
And FYI, in fact I had already done considerable work and secured an advance copy before H&H emailed me and said they'll make it happen.
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« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2015, 07:19:28 am »
OK, now that you've repaid the favor by having a little fun and giving the book some not so insignificant publicity, is a considered review of the contents on the cards

Yes.
I didn't do that video to "repay the favor", I did it because I thought it would be fun, nothing more, nothing less.
And FYI, in fact I had already done considerable work and secured an advance copy before H&H emailed me and said they'll make it happen.



I'll take you word for it but FYI I think you've repaid the favor regardless of your intentions. No need to get touchy over perceived implied implications. I'm looking forward to the review.


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« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2015, 07:54:35 am »
Many year's ago an old bloke left me these, I'm now an old bloke...... :palm:

No CMOS or TTL here people.


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I'd be concerned for myself if I knew for certain what your point is, but I am far from impressed by your volume dated 1947  :P

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« Reply #100 on: March 28, 2015, 09:25:21 am »
Well, if you want to see what children were encouraged to do in 1934, you could have a look at "The Boy Electrician".

Note particularly the last parts of chapter 13 (XIII :) ). It did include the warning that you should stop if your skin became red.
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« Reply #101 on: March 28, 2015, 09:29:55 am »
I think that I understand it now, thanks wilfred..... :-+

All good GK..... :-+


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« Reply #102 on: March 28, 2015, 09:45:35 am »
I think that I understand it now, thanks wilfred..... :-+





Oh, very clever. You're lucky I'm not a Freudian.
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« Reply #103 on: March 28, 2015, 09:54:04 am »
Well, if you want to see what children were encouraged to do in 1934, you could have a look at "The Boy Electrician".

Note particularly the last parts of chapter 13 (XIII :) ). It did include the warning that you should stop if your skin became red.


LOL.
About four decades later Australian entrepreneur Dick Smith was selling this. The companion 150-in-1 kit was a hand-me-down that I bought off a school mate.


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« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2015, 10:34:20 am »
Stupid question, if I will have the 3rd does it make sense to buy the 2nd too?

No. The 3rd will be an updated/revised version of the second. A lot of the content will be the same.

Win Hill advises otherwise, and recommends people keep their 2nd edition.

I wasn't suggesting you throw your 2nd edition away if you have one....
 

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« Reply #105 on: March 28, 2015, 04:01:05 pm »


Imagine that same picture with a Fluke 27 photoshopped in!   :-DD

(No, I can't be bothered to do it...)

You finally gave me an excuse to stop being a lurker and actually sign up.

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« Reply #106 on: March 28, 2015, 05:47:01 pm »
Ive had mine on pre order for sometime.  They emailed me last week to say the release date has been brought forward a month here in the uk.  should have it next week! :)  Some pretty good reviews on it so far from other parts of the world
 

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« Reply #107 on: March 28, 2015, 07:02:59 pm »
Well, if you want to see what children were encouraged to do in 1934, you could have a look at "The Boy Electrician".

Note particularly the last parts of chapter 13 (XIII :) ). It did include the warning that you should stop if your skin became red.
That's one of my all-time favorite books I found in my grade school's library.  I was somewhere around 11 or 12 at the time. (And, no, it wasn't a new copy...)

Runner-up to the x-ray experiment was this fine electrolytic rectifier for AC mains brought out to binding posts.  Not exactly UL listed.

I think the full-wave version would have ended up cooking itself even with no load connected.
 

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« Reply #108 on: March 28, 2015, 08:01:28 pm »
Meh  -


My favorite electronics book.  (Really my favorite book altogether!)

Inside the vacuum tube by John Rider. I'm lucky enough to have an original copy With the included 3D glasses to view the illustrations!
It starts at the beginning withe what is a electron, and ends with designing tube audio amplifiers. What a journey!

Read it for yourself!

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« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2015, 10:48:16 pm »

It starts at the beginning withe what is a electron, and ends with designing tube audio amplifiers. What a journey!

Spoilers much? :-P
 

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« Reply #110 on: March 29, 2015, 12:14:11 am »
Being 2015 I wasn't  sure what was coming first, the flux capacitor or the art of electronics 3rd edition, I sort of had my heart set on the flux capacitor.
 

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« Reply #111 on: March 29, 2015, 12:51:03 am »
Being 2015 I wasn't  sure what was coming first, the flux capacitor or the art of electronics 3rd edition, I sort of had my heart set on the flux capacitor.
But the flux capacitor has been around for thirty years  :-//

Here are some for sale now:
The original version.
A newer model which works with non-DeLoreans.

Frankly I prefer the AoE - it's a lot more affordable and doesn't require a supply of plutonium.
 

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« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2015, 07:01:41 am »
Well, if you want to see what children were encouraged to do in 1934, you could have a look at "The Boy Electrician".

Note particularly the last parts of chapter 13 (XIII :) ). It did include the warning that you should stop if your skin became red.
That's one of my all-time favorite books I found in my grade school's library.  I was somewhere around 11 or 12 at the time. (And, no, it wasn't a new copy...)

Runner-up to the x-ray experiment was this fine electrolytic rectifier for AC mains brought out to binding posts.  Not exactly UL listed.

I think the full-wave version would have ended up cooking itself even with no load connected.

That picture in the Boy Electricians book is shocking. Full wave rectification of 120 VAC = 170 VDC.
 

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« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2015, 07:36:43 am »
My introduction to electronics was a little bit safer (The Pegasus Book of Radio Experiments) but I do miss the days when books published experiments like the one above. Apart from the excitement of seeing Darwin in action it was an excellent way to teach kids the dangers of electricity in a practical way rather than saying 'don't do that' and hoping for the best.

As a young child I remember when a cover fell off a light switch at school and the teachers kept everyone two or three meters away until the caretaker could replace it. That evening I took the cover off the light switch in my bedroom just to see what was inside and I'm still here.
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« Reply #114 on: March 29, 2015, 09:13:57 am »
Well, if you want to see what children were encouraged to do in 1934, you could have a look at "The Boy Electrician".

Note particularly the last parts of chapter 13 (XIII :) ). It did include the warning that you should stop if your skin became red.
That's one of my all-time favorite books I found in my grade school's library.  I was somewhere around 11 or 12 at the time. (And, no, it wasn't a new copy...)

Runner-up to the x-ray experiment was this fine electrolytic rectifier for AC mains brought out to binding posts.  Not exactly UL listed.

I have a different (UK/240V) version, which doesn't quite have that. It does, however, tell you how to charge accumulators:
  • "The simplest means of charging accumulators is by means of direct current mains supply. First of all ascertain the polarity of the mains. ... This may be done by inserting both leads in a glass of water in which a little salt has been dissolved. ... The lead around which most bubbles form is the negative"
Disappointingly it then goes on to describe a chemical rectifier, but advises you to buy a cheap one.

It also discusses mercury arc rectifiers, which I saw at the bottom of a stairwell powering my Student's Union movie projector. The glass envelope wan't well protected from falling debris, it glowed a rather pretty blue, and I imagine the UV helped reduce acne.

But the spirit of adventure hasn't been completely overwhelmed. The age at which you fly an aircraft on your own has been reduced from 16 to 14 - and the people that have taken advantage of that are mature beyond their years.
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« Reply #115 on: March 30, 2015, 12:33:08 am »
For Aussies...

http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Art-of-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz-Winfield-Hill/9780521809269

Sounds too cheap and Fishpond have bad reviews. Hmm.
 

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« Reply #116 on: March 30, 2015, 08:52:07 am »
For Aussies...

http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Art-of-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz-Winfield-Hill/9780521809269

Sounds too cheap and Fishpond have bad reviews. Hmm.
$99 is not massively cheaper than some other vendors shipping from the UK. The Book Depository have it for $104.98, for example.
 

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« Reply #117 on: March 30, 2015, 12:53:28 pm »
For Aussies...

http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Art-of-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz-Winfield-Hill/9780521809269

Sounds too cheap and Fishpond have bad reviews. Hmm.
$99 is not massively cheaper than some other vendors shipping from the UK. The Book Depository have it for $104.98, for example.

Thanks for the link. I just bought it from the Book Depository. The bloke next door told me tonight he buys stuff from them and has never had problems. AUD $124 delivered to my door. Oddly, the book is not released until April 7, and yet they have it in stock and will ship to Oz immediately.

I wonder how long before some shameless crook in China starts printing pirated copies. It would be shameful on any westerner who bought a pirated copy or downloaded it. Maybe I would not feel the same about Justin Bieber's "intellectual" property, but these authors deserve all the royalties that come forth from real intellectual porperty.
 

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« Reply #118 on: March 30, 2015, 01:33:18 pm »
For Aussies...

http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Art-of-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz-Winfield-Hill/9780521809269

Sounds too cheap and Fishpond have bad reviews. Hmm.
$99 is not massively cheaper than some other vendors shipping from the UK. The Book Depository have it for $104.98, for example.

Thanks for the link. I just bought it from the Book Depository. The bloke next door told me tonight he buys stuff from them and has never had problems. AUD $124 delivered to my door. Oddly, the book is not released until April 7, and yet they have it in stock and will ship to Oz immediately.
That's odd - the price in AUD seems to vary by the hour. It was $104.98 with free delivery worldwide when I posted the link, you have apparently been charged $124, and it is currently showing $113.91.

The publication date given by Amazon UK is today - March 30th, and the Book Depository is owned by Amazon.

 

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« Reply #119 on: March 30, 2015, 01:59:56 pm »



Post the coupon, a free........what the hell is a house organ ?

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« Reply #120 on: March 30, 2015, 02:16:50 pm »

Post the coupon, a free........what the hell is a house organ ?

Muttley
There's a great example in Maya Jane Coles's classic house track "What They Say".

No?

Maybe the Wikipedia version, then.
 

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« Reply #121 on: March 30, 2015, 08:12:22 pm »
My copy has arrived from Waterstones today! It's heavy, and at least 1100 pages long! The hardback cover is gold rather than silver.

If you opened the book at the start, it felt exactly the same as the 2nd edition but having just spent the best part of 2 hours looking through the new book, there is substantial updating of the content especially the microcontrollers section (which did not exist in the 2nd edition!)

I suspect Our Dave have had an influence on the book, I've noticed the word "puppy" used a few times!
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« Reply #122 on: March 31, 2015, 08:55:40 am »
FYI, Amazon has a reprint of The Boy Electrician! http://www.amazon.com/The-Boy-Electrician-Alfred-Morgan/dp/1626549818


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« Reply #123 on: March 31, 2015, 12:24:48 pm »
Ordered at amazon.de yesterday, estimated delivery April 15
This morning an email from them, new availability date April 4
Half an hour ago another email: Shipped!

Interesting...

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« Reply #124 on: March 31, 2015, 12:37:09 pm »
Shipped!
Lucky bar steward.

Amazon.co.uk has been "Preparing for Dispatch" since yesterday morning - and they've taken my money  >:(
 

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« Reply #125 on: March 31, 2015, 01:14:39 pm »
FYI, Amazon has a reprint of The Boy Electrician! http://www.amazon.com/The-Boy-Electrician-Alfred-Morgan/dp/1626549818
The comments are pretty consistent with my experience.  Mine is the seventh printing in 1957.  I never noticed it was written in 1913 - over 100 years old now.

There are some scanned copies on the net including google books.  Here's one:

http://danielwebb.us/projects/pd_tech_books/


 

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« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2015, 02:38:09 pm »
At the moment I've got a copy of the fifth edition of 'Electronics: A Systems Approach' by Neil Storey. Could anyone tell me if 'The Art of Electronics' is a sensible addition to this or is it an overkill?  :-//
 

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« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2015, 02:41:26 pm »
Ordered at amazon.de yesterday, estimated delivery April 15
This morning an email from them, new availability date April 4
Ordered two days ago indeed new availability around april 4 but was in my spambox.

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Uh.... did not receive that one, do they work in reverse order, the person who ordered first get shipped last ?   >:(
 

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« Reply #128 on: March 31, 2015, 03:26:18 pm »
Uh.... did not receive that one, do they work in reverse order, the person who ordered first get shipped last ?   >:(

Lol, I don't know but the tracking says: Voraussichtliche Lieferung Donnerstag, 2. April 2015
That should keep me busy in the coming long weekend  :-+
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« Reply #129 on: March 31, 2015, 06:03:55 pm »
If life in the Netherlands is as dead as life in Germany over Easter you have my sympathies. The secret is to save jobs that need to be done for periods like this (assuming the work does not generate too much noise.

Chocolate helps. :)
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« Reply #130 on: March 31, 2015, 06:09:46 pm »
I was beginning to feel left out. Amazon reduced delivery date to 16/04 and then 09/04 shortly after which is what I have been expecting so far. Just got an email saying they have despatched it and I can expect delivery on Thursday, which means I will get it tomorrow as I always seem to get stuff a day early from amazons estimates.
 

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« Reply #131 on: March 31, 2015, 06:54:57 pm »
I just buy it on amazon Italy for € 48 ($ 51). It seems that prices are falling, but versions of the second edition are more expensive than the third ...
 

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« Reply #132 on: March 31, 2015, 07:19:26 pm »
I just buy it on amazon Italy for € 48 ($ 51). It seems that prices are falling, but versions of the second edition are more expensive than the third ...

Amazon seems to be selling it for much less in Europe than the US. Here it is $110 on Amazon (currently = 102 Euros).

For US residents - the cheapest I could find at the time I purchased was from Bookdepository.com for $82 shipped.  Looks like they've upped the price to $88 now though.
 

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« Reply #133 on: March 31, 2015, 10:05:53 pm »
I just buy it on amazon Italy for € 48 ($ 51). It seems that prices are falling, but versions of the second edition are more expensive than the third ...
Blimey, thats only £35! Does that include VAT/Sales Tax, or is Italy like the UK with no VAT on books?

What happened to EU harmonization and the common market?
 

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« Reply #134 on: April 01, 2015, 06:12:35 am »
I just buy it on amazon Italy for € 48 ($ 51). It seems that prices are falling, but versions of the second edition are more expensive than the third ...
Blimey, thats only £35! Does that include VAT/Sales Tax, or is Italy like the UK with no VAT on books?

What happened to EU harmonization and the common market?

I only paid £38 from Amazon.co.uk when I pre-ordered. Mine arrived last Saturday.


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« Reply #135 on: April 01, 2015, 08:09:38 am »
I only paid £38 from Amazon.co.uk when I pre-ordered. Mine arrived last Saturday.

Now you're just being annoying :)
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« Reply #136 on: April 01, 2015, 08:15:05 am »
Now you're just being annoying :)
look at the date  :D
 

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« Reply #138 on: April 01, 2015, 01:58:26 pm »
delete please. (sorry, wrong thread!)
 

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« Reply #139 on: April 01, 2015, 02:01:16 pm »
Now you're just being annoying :)
look at the date  :D

The joke's on him then - you really can get it for that much.

(nb. They don't do April Fools day in Italy....)
 

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« Reply #140 on: April 01, 2015, 04:13:17 pm »
Hi,

Mine copy arrived today.

Rudolf
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« Reply #141 on: April 01, 2015, 04:17:48 pm »
I just buy it on amazon Italy for € 48 ($ 51). It seems that prices are falling, but versions of the second edition are more expensive than the third ...
Blimey, thats only £35! Does that include VAT/Sales Tax, or is Italy like the UK with no VAT on books?

What happened to EU harmonization and the common market?

Yes It include VAT/Sales Tax in Italy they call it IVA. But I have to pay the shipping cost to Spain:  €10,11  :-\

Totale parziale degli articoli:    EUR 46,54
Costi di spedizione:    EUR 10,11

Totale IVA esclusa:    EUR 56,65
IVA:    EUR 2,26

Totale Ordine:    EUR 58,91


It will arrive Wednesday, April 8, 2015 by 20:00  ^-^
 

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« Reply #142 on: April 01, 2015, 07:48:57 pm »
Damn amazon and their "Retro" April fools joke page making me think I did something wrong.
and...
Damn amazon moving the ship date to April 9th on the book. 

Damn you amazon!!!
 

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« Reply #143 on: April 02, 2015, 05:38:48 am »
Damn amazon and their "Retro" April fools joke page making me think I did something wrong.
and...
Damn amazon moving the ship date to April 9th on the book. 

Damn you amazon!!!


I just got an estimated delivery date of April 8th from amazon.com here in the USA for my pre-order...
 

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« Reply #144 on: April 02, 2015, 10:11:21 am »
Now that we have a live camera again, it is interesting to note the pride of place where Dave has placed the book.  ::)
 

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« Reply #145 on: April 02, 2015, 05:43:50 pm »
I just buy it on amazon Italy for € 48 ($ 51). It seems that prices are falling, but versions of the second edition are more expensive than the third ...

Man thank you so much for the tip !  :-+ I almost oredered it from amazon UK at 98 euros when I saw your post. You just saved me 45 euros.  :clap: I love this forum so much.

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Please someone with moderator rights make a sticky post with this info, we could also post the translation for the italian captions so that people can get their order through.
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« Reply #146 on: April 02, 2015, 05:59:50 pm »
Just to tease Kjelt:

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« Reply #147 on: April 02, 2015, 07:35:12 pm »
Just to tease Kjelt:
hahaha,
Mine has been shipped also, finally. But if it will arrive before the weekend...........
 

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« Reply #148 on: April 02, 2015, 08:01:13 pm »
Mine has been shipped also, finally. But if it will arrive before the weekend...........
I hope it does!
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« Reply #149 on: April 02, 2015, 08:18:39 pm »
2nd edition silver
3rd edition gold
4th edition: hmmmmmmmmmm
 

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« Reply #150 on: April 02, 2015, 08:45:04 pm »
2nd edition silver
3rd edition gold
4th edition: hmmmmmmmmmm

1st = black...
 

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« Reply #151 on: April 02, 2015, 10:03:49 pm »
4th edition will be released on 2040, it will be a brain implant to make you an EE expert able to build populated PCBs with the power of your mind.


But some components will be outdated and you'll need some extra volumes for all details


Each volume will cost 5000000000qubits, the average monthly salary of an high-end engineer. These days it will be a low wage job, mostly all not very qualified jobs will be automated and done by androids.
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« Reply #152 on: April 03, 2015, 08:14:09 am »
Just a prediction then, lets see in 25 years
[nerd mode on]
Ah lets use the resistor tolerance color band code than:

1st edition  black  first draft no tolerance
2nd edition silver  10% tolerance
3rd edition  gold     5% tolerance

then the 4rd edition will be red  with 2% tolerance
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« Reply #153 on: April 03, 2015, 05:19:06 pm »
My copy has arrived  :-+
Now I read inside that this is the final! Edition, figures these guys must be getting old.
 

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« Reply #154 on: April 03, 2015, 06:04:59 pm »
My copy has arrived  :-+
Now I read inside that this is the final! Edition, figures these guys must be getting old.

Hopefully not too old to finish the X-Chapter book, or whatever they may call it.
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« Reply #155 on: April 03, 2015, 06:57:15 pm »
My copy has arrived  :-+
Now I read inside that this is the final! Edition, figures these guys must be getting old.

Being dead doesn't stop the publishers from releasing new editions in your name.....

http://www.amazon.com/Shigleys-Mechanical-Engineering-Design-McGraw-Hill/dp/0073398209

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Edward_Shigley&prev=search

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #156 on: April 04, 2015, 10:45:26 am »
I made the trek into Cambridge this morning to buy myself a copy from the CUP bookshop. I get a 20% discount as an ex student, also I like to look at physical copies before buying.

I told the lady at the checkout that I had waited over 35 years (my existing copy is the first edition which came out in 1980) - she smiled nervously and humoured me with a suitably bland remark whilst edging to the security button! :)

I look forward to actually reading it (I've still not read all the first edition - you can't rush these things!)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #157 on: April 04, 2015, 03:36:06 pm »
Today i got my copy from Amazon Germany.
Is this normal behaviour for Cambridge University Press? The paper is totally warped. For me this is not acceptable for this price. From what i can see on some other postings it looks as other copys does show this behaviour too?



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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #158 on: April 04, 2015, 03:51:25 pm »
Received my copy op the bible this afternoon, just in time for Easter.

Today i got my copy from Amazon Germany.
Is this normal behaviour for Cambridge University Press? The paper is totally warped. For me this is not acceptable for this price.

Got mine from Amazon Germany too, the pages are a little bit wobbly too, but not as bad. I thought it'd be caused by the humid weather today and I expect it to flatten under weight.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #159 on: April 04, 2015, 04:05:37 pm »
Got mine from Amazon Germany too, the pages are a little bit wobbly too, but not as bad. I thought it'd be caused by the humid weather today and I expect it to flatten under weight.

Maybe the paper soaked humidity during oversea shipment too. :( Why couldn't they shrink-wrap the book before shipment? Terrible to think of about hundreds of brand-new books in this shape for the next decades because of such a shipment error.
I do not think that my version will flatten - even during pressing the book with my whole body weight the amplitude does not change.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #160 on: April 04, 2015, 04:07:46 pm »
Got mine today from Amazon UK, the pages are wobbly like above.

I don't care though, it's a reference book not a show piece.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #161 on: April 04, 2015, 04:17:40 pm »
Got mine today from Amazon UK, the pages are wobbly like above.

I don't care though, it's a reference book not a show piece.

Well, for me it's the same as if i bought a scope from Agilent Keysight and when unpacking there is a big scratch over the front side. Yes, i could work with that - but i payed the full price for a new, not a used item.  :-BROKE
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #162 on: April 04, 2015, 04:20:49 pm »
Got mine today from Amazon UK, the pages are wobbly like above.

I don't care though, it's a reference book not a show piece.

Well, for me it's the same as if i bought a scope from Agilent Keysight and when unpacking there is a big scratch over the front side. Yes, i could work with that - but i payed the full price for a new, not a used item.  :-BROKE

I would care too if I paid thousands for a scope and it arrived with a big scratch on the front; but I paid £59 for a book and the pages are slightly wavy.

Big deal.  :-//

Plus it is new, not used. Not sure why you said that.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #163 on: April 04, 2015, 04:30:30 pm »
I would care too if I paid thousands for a scope and it arrived with a big scratch on the front; but I paid £59 for a book and the pages are slightly wavy.

Well, slightly is (for me) different that that. From the hundreds of books i bought during the years i never got any in such a shape - and even books i use frequently for many years do not have a water damage like this one. I can accept that damage if i know that this is the standard for this book or the book is sold with a reduced price. But why accepting bad quality for the same price as others get good quality?


Plus it is new, not used. Not sure why you said that.

I just wanted to express that when i pay the price for a new book i do not want do get a book in the shape of a used one.  ;)
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #164 on: April 04, 2015, 04:33:17 pm »
I guess I am more forgiving of people's small mistakes. As far as I'm concerned I paid £59 for the content of the book, not for perfectly straight pages. I guess we just value different things in a book.
 

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« Reply #165 on: April 04, 2015, 04:48:07 pm »
Well i can understand your point of view too. If it were a computer book with a half-life period of two years i would completely agree with you. But as more a book becomes a long-time reference it's physical value rises for me.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #166 on: April 04, 2015, 05:02:39 pm »
Just checked and mine has the wavy pages when viewed side on too. Not something I noticed before and not something that bothers me in the least. The pages are flat enough on reading. To call it water damage is extreme.

My advice to the perfectionists is to not read it and keep it locked in a safe. It will surely gain much value as, for example, numismatists pay a fortune for coins with early production flaws from the mint.

Consider the rare value of this early production run from the printers. Keep a copy of these posts to add to the authentic provenance that your future antique book is the genuine article.  ;)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #167 on: April 04, 2015, 05:23:38 pm »
Just checked and mine has the wavy pages when viewed side on too. Not something I noticed before and not something that bothers me in the least. The pages are flat enough on reading. To call it water damage is extreme.

so you're lucky to have a smaller damage. It took me one second to open the book to see and feel the waves (~2mm in Amplitude). I've asked a person who's working in a printing office and he agreed to my first impression that this is likely a water damage. It could also be due to production as book printing isn't a "dry" process.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #168 on: April 04, 2015, 05:39:48 pm »
Haha this is becoming so anal, maybe we need to build a paper flatness reference with 5 ppm precision ?
 

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« Reply #169 on: April 04, 2015, 05:52:25 pm »
okay.. i see - production quality is not everyone's cup of tea.  :palm:
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #170 on: April 04, 2015, 05:59:15 pm »
You didn't notice that it is completely intentional?
They even refer to it on page 672.
The impression was made of the function z = 0.03 * sin(9*pi*y) and z=0.03*sin(6*pi*x) .
What other book is more appropriate to have an impressed sine wave illustration?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #171 on: April 04, 2015, 06:07:47 pm »
Today i got my copy from Amazon Germany.
Is this normal behaviour for Cambridge University Press? The paper is totally warped. For me this is not acceptable for this price. From what i can see on some other postings it looks as other copys does show this behaviour too?


Looks sinusoidal. Think of it as the carrier wave. :-+
 

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« Reply #172 on: April 04, 2015, 06:24:23 pm »
Some say it is a boundary value problem, others say what's the differential.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #173 on: April 04, 2015, 06:26:51 pm »
I bought mine from the CUP bookshop in Cambridge and, though I didn't notice it at the time, the pages are slightly wavy from the top (though not from the bottom).

I am very fussy about books and papers and so on (I don't like even folding a newspaper) but I really think this can't be described as "water damage" - it is only noticeable when pointed out.

I'd be much more concerned if the pages looked like they might fall out (as I have found with some other books) but they look to be properly bound.

It is not expensive for a hardbound reference book of over a thousand pages and I suspect it may be an artifact of using lightweight paper to keep the weight (and perhaps cost) down.

Perhaps it was a flaw with the paper prior to printing. The printing doesn't seem to be in any way distorted and there is certainly no staining.

Still it is nice to find some one even more fastidious than I am!

It may be an artifact of the binding process. Running my fingers over the page I can feel that they are slightly bumpy in the vertical direction as well so maybe they use hot glue to bind them which then shrinks a bit and puts the pages under slight compression.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #174 on: April 04, 2015, 07:00:59 pm »
Still waiting on my copy to be delivered - ordered 29 Jan 2015 from Amazon, should be here within the next two weeks.

I've seen the wavy paper artifact on some books manufactured in India -- are the AoE 3rd books delivered in Europe manufactured (printed and bound) in the UK or in another country?
 

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« Reply #175 on: April 04, 2015, 07:50:24 pm »
Still waiting on my copy to be delivered - ordered 29 Jan 2015 from Amazon, should be here within the next two weeks.

I've seen the wavy paper artifact on some books manufactured in India -- are the AoE 3rd books delivered in Europe manufactured (printed and bound) in the UK or in another country?
Printed in the United States of America, just like the second edition.
 

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« Reply #176 on: April 05, 2015, 06:54:31 am »
I think if you put a heavy stack of books on top of it during a fourthnight it will probably flatten out.
I myself am reading it.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #177 on: April 05, 2015, 07:09:38 am »
I think if you put a heavy stack of books on top of it during a fourthnight it will probably flatten out.
No need: it weight 2.3kg and is therefore sufficiently heavy to flatten itself  - and anything underneath it when it is dropped.

I expect to see a rash of EEs visiting their doctors - because of upper limb strain developed while trying to hold it in a comfortable reading position.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #178 on: April 05, 2015, 11:29:09 am »
My copy (delivered by Amazon UK on Weds 1st Apr) has the waviness to the pages, although the wavelength is double that shown in the pictures posted previously  by Schopi68.

I'm not sure it will flatten out as the spine is wider than the pages so the hardcover boards only apply pressure to the pages at the free end.
 

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« Reply #179 on: April 05, 2015, 11:54:09 am »
Decided to remove my post on the grounds that though it was meant humorously, on second reading it was a bit sarcastic and I don't want to belittle issues that clearly are of importance to some.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #180 on: April 05, 2015, 12:10:20 pm »
My God! This has got out of control of all the things to complain about and to take the time to write about it? Does it really matter in the end? Is the book still readable? We should be more concerned about its errors than about some stupid wavy pages. So, what! The pages are wavy because the book was press printed on thin paper with high moisture content, period. This saves costs to increase profit for the publisher. I pay 300 plus US dollars for each book at school with the same exact issue. By end of the semester the books are flat and waves are gone (well, almost).

Now lts all get back to what is really important and that is Electronics!  :-+
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #181 on: April 05, 2015, 01:29:00 pm »
My God! This has got out of control of all the things to complain about and to take the time to write about it? Does it really matter in the end? Is the book still readable? We should be more concerned about its errors than about some stupid wavy pages. So, what! The pages are wavy because the book was press printed on thin paper with high moisture content, period. This saves costs to increase profit for the publisher. I pay 300 plus US dollars for each book at school with the same exact issue. By end of the semester the books are flat and waves are gone (well, almost).

Now lts all get back to what is really important and that is Electronics!  :-+
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #182 on: April 05, 2015, 01:40:11 pm »
I think you all should stop trying to ridicule people who have different values than you.
How about you agree to disagree instead of harping on about how you don't.

I'd go nuts if Amazon sent me science book (aka north of 80 EUR) and it has a messed up/dented corner due to their terrible packing practices. It is ground for a claim.
Yeah you can't do much about it and you can choose not to bother.

If I treated customer equipment like this at work I can 'put some warm clothes on' as the Germans say.
 

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« Reply #183 on: April 05, 2015, 02:16:43 pm »
This saves costs to increase profit for the publisher.

okay... and you are comfortable with increasing profit to the publisher for... less quality?

As said before: you could even use a scope with a scratch all over its surface. Or you could watch tv with a unsharp and flickering screen. Or buy a brand new car with dents in the bonnet - but would you want to pay the same price for it?

I pay 300 plus US dollars for each book at school with the same exact issue. By end of the semester the books are flat and waves are gone (well, almost).

I do not think that it will flatten out, even under pressure... - see Attachment. No one of the books in this stack has any sign of waviness (but they have a similar paper thickness - i.e. the book right above the Horowitz has 1800 Sides - 3.4mm for 100 pages vs. 3.5mm for 100 pages in the Horowitz -, similar content and a similar price. So it is no excuse to say that the pages are wavy because the book was press printed on thin paper - others are doing this job without waving).

(so, but now i will stop posting to this topic. Everything that i wanted to talk about has been talked about - and i do not want to produce any kind of war here). *LLAP* ;)
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #184 on: April 05, 2015, 02:18:30 pm »
My, my have I touched a nerve to deserve all CAPS?  :box: Anyway, Neganur I agree with your point I too would be returing it promptly for that type of damage. Everyone should be entitled to state their opinion in whatever form they feel. This is not a repressed society, well at least not completly. The quality of materials used today is appaling! Manufactures continue to strive for increased profits anyway they can. I have books in my library purchased over 30 years ago and still in excellent condition. On the other hand books purchased recently for school and personal are already falling apart where even the pages rip easily. I can only imagine that this book too will suffer also in premature failure compared to its predeeding version. My own belief if a purchase is made and its quality is not to his/her own standards then return it and be done with it. My pet peeve is simply I hate people that whine and carry on like a child. But thats me and everyone has a their own.

It reminds me when Dave reviewed a waveform generator.  Internally, there was rust on the case but he too succumb to this and made it apparent to his viewers. I laughed at this thinking of thousands of these cases out in the open in some Asian country rusting from the rain and then used for its final assembly.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #185 on: April 05, 2015, 02:50:45 pm »
Profit for the publisher

No, but it is a fact of life and presently the culture of our society. As for the comparison of scratched scope or out focus screen or dented hood/bonet you are now going from one extreme to another.

I stated my previous post "Is the book still readable?" So, yes I do have an exception.

By end of the semester the books are flat and waves are gone (well, almost).

In in end of the sentence I add "well, almost" that in it self a sarcastic intent implied.

During my practicum for my PHD I was employed by a bindery shop. During a practicum you do not always get paid or very little. So, I had to make end meet thus the bindery job. Working there I learned that when books portrayed this type of condition it was due to the quality of the paper, mositure content, and bad processing practices. Anyone or all of those affect the book(s) quality.

So, in closing rather than focus your anger or hostility towards me. How about you express you dis-satisfaction to the publisher. If everybody does this maybe then soemthing positive could happen?

I did my part and wrote to them. Now if I get a reply? Perhaps I shall win the lottery first!
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #186 on: April 05, 2015, 04:47:21 pm »
Well, it looks as if i have to do one more post.   :palm:

So, in closing rather than focus your anger or hostility towards me. How about you express you dis-satisfaction to the publisher. If everybody does this maybe then soemthing positive could happen?

I did my part and wrote to them. Now if I get a reply? Perhaps I shall win the lottery first!

I've already reported the issue to the seller. But you're right, contacting the publisher directly might be a good idea too. ;) My posting here in the forum wasn't because i wanted to cry about the issue - i just wanted to exchange information with others to see if it is worthy to ask for a replacement book or if this error affects the entire print run.

And now lets free this place to start talking about the content.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #187 on: April 05, 2015, 04:59:05 pm »
Hey Schopi68,

It was not just you and I am sorry if my posting singled you out. Please accept my apology as it was not my intent to do that specifically towards you.

Sincerely,

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« Reply #188 on: April 05, 2015, 05:28:36 pm »
Still waiting on my copy to be delivered - ordered 29 Jan 2015 from Amazon, should be here within the next two weeks.

I've seen the wavy paper artifact on some books manufactured in India -- are the AoE 3rd books delivered in Europe manufactured (printed and bound) in the UK or in another country?
Printed in the United States of America, just like the second edition.

So it is printed in the USA, but we in Europe recieve it first? Of course I'm not complaining, but it seems strange und unfair. And if I were an US citizen I would probably start to riot now.
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« Reply #189 on: April 05, 2015, 05:36:30 pm »
Printed in the USA can be a book actually printed in India, then shipped to the USA for the final collation, binding and trimming. Then, due to the vagrancies of the book cartels, it might be released in Europe before the US orders are filled. The whole thing might have been done on an Indian press, or even in Dubai or even South Africa, depending on which press was going to be free for the volume and which was cheapest with freight of the final product. Might even have been printed in Canada. Only way would be to look for the press added QC characters and batch number, which will be inside on the copyright page as a code at the bottom, or inside the cover on a hard bound version.
 

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« Reply #190 on: April 05, 2015, 06:35:28 pm »
So it is printed in the USA, but we in Europe recieve it first? Of course I'm not complaining, but it seems strange und unfair. And if I were an US citizen I would probably start to riot now.
This may be because CUP is a UK publisher even though they now have a presence in the USA - perhaps there is some ancient decree that they release books in the UK/EU first.
 

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« Reply #191 on: April 06, 2015, 03:27:23 pm »
This phenomenon is called "fluting" and is the product of the printing process and humidity levels around the book. I found several informative posts:

http://www.printindustry.com/Newsletters/Newsletter-38.aspx
http://www.printindustry.com/blog/?p=1175
https://prodpi.zendesk.com/hc/communities/public/questions/201991340-Why-are-the-pages-of-my-book-wavy-and-warped-

The last one implies that the problem may correct itself to some extent.
 

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« Reply #192 on: April 06, 2015, 03:56:02 pm »
Thought the best cure was to put heavy pressure on the book, but luckily, after reading one of the articles, that is not a good way to do it. I saw my self, with a big smile on my lips, putting the book very gently in our 100 tons hydraulic press at work   :palm:
 

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« Reply #193 on: April 06, 2015, 04:56:51 pm »
The last one implies that the problem may correct itself to some extent.
"but it normally doesn't take more than 5-7 business days for the paper to relax and flatten."

Well... my copy didn't change in any visible manner during the last 5 days.

Looks as there are several things that can be done against fluting during the printing process. But i don't think that my book has this fluting. They define fluting as waves in grain direction. My book copy has waves on all three outer sides (so in grain direction and right angled to it).

http://www.sappi.com/regions/sa/SupportAndSponsorships/Knowledge%20bank/Technical%20tips1/Cause%20and%20effects%20of%20Fluting%20in%20Heatset%20webprinting.pdf
 

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« Reply #194 on: April 06, 2015, 06:30:21 pm »
So it's more like the book in the picture at this link? http://www.librarything.com/topic/106840. If so maybe one of the responses there will help. Good luck.
 

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« Reply #195 on: April 06, 2015, 09:57:34 pm »
So many reviews about the wavy paper, but nothing yet on content  :-DD

I just ordered mine through Amazon with a copy of "Circuit Designer's Companion (3rd Edition)".  :-+

The company is paying for them so I went loco.  :scared:
 

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« Reply #196 on: April 06, 2015, 10:01:16 pm »
What do you think of circuit designers companion?
 

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« Reply #197 on: April 06, 2015, 11:34:19 pm »
What do you think of circuit designers companion?

I ordered my "Circuit Designers Companion" from Russia a while ago but she hasn't gotten here yet.  I'll let you know when she arrives. 
 

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« Reply #198 on: April 07, 2015, 07:10:50 am »
I just buy it on amazon Italy for € 48 ($ 51). It seems that prices are falling, but versions of the second edition are more expensive than the third ...

Man thank you so much for the tip !  :-+ I almost oredered it from amazon UK at 98 euros when I saw your post. You just saved me 45 euros.  :clap: I love this forum so much.

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Please someone with moderator rights make a sticky post with this info, we could also post the translation for the italian captions so that people can get their order through.

Wow, it was excpected to arrive by the end of the week, but I just got it early this morning, this is spectacular :)
 

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« Reply #199 on: April 07, 2015, 03:06:47 pm »
Ordered in late January from Amazon, arrived today.

Paper is perfectly flat, and although thin paper and small type is used, the book is perfectly readable. 

A very quick flip through it shows that it's well worth the price. (Think I paid around US$ 85-90).
 

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« Reply #200 on: April 07, 2015, 11:10:32 pm »
I'm waiting for the Kindle edition. No fluting. ;)
 

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« Reply #201 on: April 08, 2015, 01:35:03 am »
I'm waiting for the Kindle edition. No fluting. ;)

 

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« Reply #203 on: April 08, 2015, 10:14:55 am »
There is the line "... from 20m .... " missing.  :wtf:
 

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« Reply #204 on: April 08, 2015, 10:23:34 am »
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« Reply #205 on: April 08, 2015, 10:41:06 pm »
Well that was informative  ::)
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« Reply #206 on: April 09, 2015, 01:16:07 am »
Dave, hello
I want one!, i check in your amazon link but it is not there, only the second edition, i wan't to buy it,  any idea how?

I live in south america but have a friend in the US that can receive it, and send it to me later on.

thank you
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« Reply #207 on: April 09, 2015, 02:14:54 am »
Just got my preordered copy today and have been reading through it. Does everyone else's copy have several references to a "Chapter 1x"? It seems like they meant to go back and change the reference later, but never got around to it. I've seen it several times now. Pages 2 (footnote 4), 4, 5 (end of gray box on resistors), and 20. There are probably more, but I'm just on page 20.
 

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« Reply #208 on: April 09, 2015, 02:59:18 am »
those are reportedly references to a companion publication yet to be published.
the x-files or the x addition or something.
 

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« Reply #209 on: April 09, 2015, 07:14:00 am »
Just got my preordered copy today and have been reading through it. Does everyone else's copy have several references to a "Chapter 1x"? It seems like they meant to go back and change the reference later, but never got around to it. I've seen it several times now. Pages 2 (footnote 4), 4, 5 (end of gray box on resistors), and 20. There are probably more, but I'm just on page 20.
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« Reply #210 on: April 09, 2015, 09:22:19 pm »
Did anyone else order their book from Book Depository?
I received an email saying that they sent it on March 28th and that shipping to European countries takes 4-8 business days, so it should already be here.
Anyone else experiencing the same problem? :(
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« Reply #211 on: April 09, 2015, 09:37:12 pm »
Did anyone else order their book from Book Depository?
I received an email saying that they sent it on March 28th and that shipping to European countries takes 4-8 business days, so it should already be here.
Anyone else experiencing the same problem? :(

No problem with my order from them. Arrived about 7 business days after "dispatch"
 

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« Reply #212 on: April 09, 2015, 10:05:15 pm »
Did anyone else order their book from Book Depository?
I received an email saying that they sent it on March 28th and that shipping to European countries takes 4-8 business days, so it should already be here.
Anyone else experiencing the same problem? :(

Yes... I'm in the US, and it's supposed to take 5-8 business days, and is overdue...

ETA: my copy was shipped from England on 3/28, and delivered on 4/16, so I guess they are very optimistic about delivery time.
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« Reply #213 on: April 10, 2015, 12:53:12 am »
Did anyone else order their book from Book Depository?
I received an email saying that they sent it on March 28th and that shipping to European countries takes 4-8 business days, so it should already be here.
Anyone else experiencing the same problem? :(

Yes... I'm in the US, and it's supposed to take 5-8 business days, and is overdue...

Same here.
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« Reply #214 on: April 10, 2015, 04:13:06 am »
Ordered from Amazon US for the US around the end of January, arrived today.
 

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« Reply #215 on: April 10, 2015, 06:09:51 am »
Just got my preordered copy today and have been reading through it. Does everyone else's copy have several references to a "Chapter 1x"? It seems like they meant to go back and change the reference later, but never got around to it. I've seen it several times now. Pages 2 (footnote 4), 4, 5 (end of gray box on resistors), and 20. There are probably more, but I'm just on page 20.

The same is true for chapters 2, 3, 4 and 9. The "x" refers to an upcoming book with advanced material. The really bad news is, that we will have to wait several years for it. I have written about it in my review (at the bottom of the page):

http://www.wisewarthog.com/electronics/horowitz-hill-the-art-of-electronics-3rd-edition.html
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« Reply #216 on: April 10, 2015, 12:16:51 pm »
Well that was informative  ::)
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« Reply #217 on: April 11, 2015, 02:19:11 pm »
I hate everything.

Something tells me that you're this guy.



Also, I laughed my ass off at the 'We're not worthy' bit.
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« Reply #218 on: April 11, 2015, 02:40:29 pm »
Heads up for anyone who pre-ordered from Amazon US.  I ordered mine in January for $108 and yesterday I got an automatic refund because other sellers are offering a lower price.

Make sure you get your refund if you didn't already.

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« Reply #219 on: April 11, 2015, 11:09:49 pm »
I didn't get any "refund" emails, but the final price was 77.30 USD when it shipped even though it was 108 when I pre-ordered too.  I think that's an automatic thing, and it's based on the lowest price since you pre-ordered so if the 77.30 price was before your pre-order it might still be more as the final price.
 

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« Reply #220 on: April 11, 2015, 11:45:25 pm »
Ah, you're right.  Checked my credit card statement and they only charged me the final price of $77.30.
 

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« Reply #221 on: April 12, 2015, 12:07:06 am »
Hmm any idea when you had to pre-order for that price?  I think i pre-ordered a few weeks ago but it went through at 108 even though they seem to be $77 right now.
 

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« Reply #222 on: April 12, 2015, 12:37:01 am »
Hmm any idea when you had to pre-order for that price?  I think i pre-ordered a few weeks ago but it went through at 108 even though they seem to be $77 right now.
I pre-ordered in January at the $108 price.
 

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« Reply #223 on: April 12, 2015, 01:56:49 am »
Just arrived.

I am SOOO glad there is no dust jacket for the 3rd edition.
 

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« Reply #224 on: April 12, 2015, 06:41:10 am »
Funny that they wrote that this will be the final version of this book.
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« Reply #225 on: April 12, 2015, 11:31:20 am »
Mine went through at £46.13 (I put the order on Amazon back in January).
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« Reply #226 on: April 12, 2015, 06:11:22 pm »
Funny that they wrote that this will be the final version of this book.

Just ordered my copy. 

Why are they saying that the third edition will be the final one?  I mean, sure, it's been around since 1980 (I think that was the first edition), and 35 years is a long time to be updating the same book, but technology advances steadily.
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« Reply #227 on: April 12, 2015, 06:52:43 pm »
Why are they saying that the third edition will be the final one?
They are probably retiring?  :-//
 

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« Reply #228 on: April 12, 2015, 07:47:19 pm »
Funny that they wrote that this will be the final version of this book.

Just ordered my copy. 

Why are they saying that the third edition will be the final one?  I mean, sure, it's been around since 1980 (I think that was the first edition), and 35 years is a long time to be updating the same book, but technology advances steadily.

It is not surprising that they are thinking that. I was surprised they wrote that in the forward for the third edition. With that said they are still planning on writing another book with the chapters they had to leave out as well as a student lab book.
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« Reply #229 on: April 15, 2015, 06:20:36 pm »
FYI do not order from Amazon seller ---SuperBookDeals. I placed an order on the 12th at a price of $77 + S&H. Today, I received a notice that my order has been canceled due to the book being "out of stock". Upon visiting their seller store today, I see that the book is still listed as in stock, but the price has gone up $20. Very unscrupulous seller -- unwilling to honor a sale having already taken my money.
 

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« Reply #230 on: April 18, 2015, 07:02:56 am »
Finally got mine from local distributor. I am wondering how many of these are in the country.  :)

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« Reply #231 on: May 29, 2015, 06:03:42 am »
In their latest 'Ask an Engineer' show, Adafruit showed their signed copy of all three editions of AoE (and also a copy of the 'edition 0' manuscript):



a quite exclusive gift from the author:



and they announced that soon will post a 45-minutes interview with Horowitz. Should be interesting.
 

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« Reply #232 on: May 29, 2015, 08:16:42 am »
I'm very surprised that nobody scanned their 3rd edition and did some OCR on it.
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« Reply #233 on: June 01, 2015, 12:27:10 pm »
^^^
All 1100 odd pages? For what?

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« Reply #234 on: June 01, 2015, 12:46:57 pm »
Well people have scanned the old book and it hasn't been to much work for them.

It's really simple actually,  you just have to sacrifice one. Take the binding apart, but the staple of paper in a modern office copier and wait till it sends you the scanned pdf. Will take a few days, but no manpower required. We do it at work for old physics books. Many are not sold any more but we want to preserve them (for gems like "The enigmatic cathode radiation..." and "...the two forms of energy, one proportional to the speed, and one to its square...").
 

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« Reply #235 on: June 01, 2015, 01:21:22 pm »
In many countries that would be illegal.

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« Reply #236 on: June 01, 2015, 01:29:44 pm »
I'm very surprised that nobody scanned and their 3rd edition and did some OCR on it.

Maybe they have respect for the author or something silly like that...

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« Reply #237 on: June 01, 2015, 01:55:39 pm »
I've got an ADF scanner, double sided 50 sheets at a time. I guess I could sacrifice my copy and toil over the scanner for hours for the greater good of piratekind.

I mean, come on, Horowitz & Hill are up to their eyeballs in coke and hookers, laughing at all the hard-earned from us nerds while they cruise the world on their luxury yachts. Cambridge University Press are rolling in it too, the snobby elitist fascists they are.

Just tell me when, con-f-use, and I'll take an unpaid day off work for you and all our comrades. We can overthrow the capitalist pigs if we all make a little sacrifice  ;)
 

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« Reply #238 on: June 01, 2015, 02:10:19 pm »
I didn't say I condone piracy (although I mostly do, thinking society could be re-organized  to have an incentive other than money - freedom of knowledge, age of technology with enough for everyone and no need for as much menial labour and all this neo-socialist crap - why artificially make something sparse, that can be copied effortlessly? But that is another discussion and would require substantial change). No, I own a copy myself. What I said is, I was surprised there isn't a torrent. You can download so many science books, hell, even crappy World of Warcraft fiction. Prior to my AoE3 purchase, I wasn't sure, if I wanted to spend the money. It's a substantial amount for a book, me being on a PhD income. Plus my university will buy it for the library soon. Would have helped to look through the book online to see if it's worth it (to me) and it is.

In our present age of technology, you wouldn't have to take a day off work, provided you have access to the proper machine (as I said). I suspect Horowitz and Hill aren't exactly starving ether. If they were, I'd be happy to donate some money to them. I also suspect, they didn't go into academia for bitches and money.
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« Reply #239 on: June 10, 2015, 04:17:57 am »
In our present age of technology, you wouldn't have to take a day off work, provided you have access to the proper machine (as I said). I suspect Horowitz and Hill aren't exactly starving ether. If they were, I'd be happy to donate some money to them. I also suspect, they didn't go into academia for bitches and money.

The average pay for a professor at Harvard is around $200k, fwiw.  Although that's entirely besides the point - creators of work should be compensated for said work, regardless of what kind of work it is.  There is more than one way of compensating someone though, but it has to be something they agree to.
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« Reply #240 on: June 14, 2015, 12:09:02 pm »
 There was a digital file (aka "pdf" or whatever,...) of this Book, long before it was pulp-n-paper'd from a bunch of tree's.

ok, so, if I have to pay +$100 for this book, which I don't mind although it is overly expensive, then at least give me a "pdf" version,
 for obvious CONVENIENCE reasons ?!
 Or, since GREED is the ONLY thing that drives even Educational Instituions today, then fine, can you please sell me an "e"-version of this Book Please?  I'll even pay triple for it, instead of a bunch of hardcopy papers !
I mean,...,  :wtf:

 It's pathetic that they don't.
 

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« Reply #241 on: June 14, 2015, 12:10:47 pm »
There was a digital file (aka "pdf" or whatever,...) of this Book, long before it was pulp-n-paper'd from a bunch of tree's.

ok, so, if I have to pay +$100 for this book, which I don't mind although it is overly expensive, then at least give me a "pdf" version,
 for obvious CONVENIENCE reasons ?!
 Or, since GREED is the ONLY thing that drives even Educational Instituions today, then fine, can you please sell me an "e"-version of this Book Please?  I'll even pay triple for it, instead of a bunch of hardcopy papers !
I mean,...,  :wtf:

 It's pathetic that they don't.

I have no reason to doubt that you would pay $100 for a PDF. But that's not the problem, is it!
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« Reply #242 on: June 14, 2015, 12:26:40 pm »

I have no reason to doubt that you would pay $100 for a PDF. But that's not the problem, is it!

 yes, some people will no doubt torrent it, but that doesn't stop iTunes, Linnrecords, Ponomusic, HDTracks, ... and a thousand others from $elling Music files,..., nobody I know buys Audio-CD's anymore, hollywood will be the last old corrupt fortress to fall, plus almost every other book on the planet is downloadable.

 Modern AOE, sold only from the Dark Ages, how wonderful.

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« Reply #243 on: June 14, 2015, 12:38:48 pm »
I have no reason to doubt that you would pay $100 for a PDF. But that's not the problem, is it!

...anyway, thanks for the quick reply.
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« Reply #244 on: June 14, 2015, 12:46:06 pm »
Having never stopped using paper myself, it's always bizarre to me when someone gets his panties in a twist over the lack of an electronic version of something. You can use the paper book dude, we all manage as we have for a very long time...
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« Reply #245 on: June 14, 2015, 01:01:15 pm »
Having never stopped using paper myself, it's always bizarre to me when someone gets his panties in a twist over the lack of an electronic version of something. You can use the paper book dude, we all manage as we have for a very long time...

 I like to curl up into my mind with a paper-book too, when I need to study or focus on specific problems, and I'm open-minded.
 But when the light comes on, within a bigger inter-twined project, and I need to continually multi-reference many docs/schematics/.... I like to have them all readily available in multiple windows. but that's the difference,
your photographic-memory is better than mine, since I tend to always have to re-understand some things...?

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« Reply #246 on: June 14, 2015, 01:10:10 pm »
Both have their merits. Less distraction, easier on the eyes, no charging, ... for paper. Easier transport of many, lighter, less space, text-search for eBooks. I'd love to have an electronic version of the 3rd edition.
 

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« Reply #247 on: June 14, 2015, 01:54:40 pm »
I have to scan in books now anyway, due to failing eyesight, although I more often buy Kindle editions where available. As I read a lot of out-of-print or pre-Kindle stuff, that's often not an option. On the upside, the British Library (among others) now allows photography of books, and I've got quite an efficient JPG->OCR pipeline set up, so it is getting easier and more legal.

As for this being the last edition of H&H, I'm not surprised. Analogue electronics hasn't changed much since 1980, the same techniques are just as valid and while areas like RF have progressed enormously they're specialisms. And all the digital advances have taken place within chips, again a specialist area, with software taking over more and more of analogue's domain. I'm sure that H&H will continue to be an essential work for engineers, but I think it's evolved to where it needs to be.

 

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« Reply #248 on: June 14, 2015, 02:46:43 pm »
I have hopes for Learning the Art of Electronics.

They should sell a digital version and a companion app for Windows/Linux/Android/iOS/WP with tons of tests, stuff found in apps such as Electrodroid/ElectroBuddy/KarnMap/Morgana/Droid Circuit Calc/Electronics Toolbox/Secuential Circuits/MOS Circuit/Electro Quiz

- Games: Electronic Jam, Electronic Memory symbols, HexToBinary Practice, Binary Sudoku, Binary Practice, Binary Challenge, Cisco Binary Game, Binairo Solver, Bimoxxo, The Binary Game, Circuit Breakers, DC Run and others are a good start. They could make learning easier for novices.
 

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« Reply #249 on: June 14, 2015, 02:55:13 pm »
"aoe_pdf"

Some throwaway account you have there... you wouldn't be brave enough to give out a real e-mail address or something, would'ja? ;D

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« Reply #250 on: June 24, 2015, 02:54:38 pm »
Book Depository has 10% off via booko.com.au for 3 days; brings AoE v3 down to $95au.
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« Reply #251 on: June 24, 2015, 04:01:13 pm »
I definitely prefer the electronic versions as well. If I really must I will read a paper edition, but I much prefer the ebook.

When I travel for work I am not lugging books with me, especially not something as big as TAOE. And this is when I do most of my reading (on the plane or airport). My backpack is already loaded as it is. Before bed reading doesn't require light since the tablet is backlit, and I can even read it on my phone. For technical books, it makes even more sense since as a quick reference ctrl+f beats manually searching the index in hope you will find the page you were looking for.

I understand the piracy is a concern, but for convenience ebooks are amazing.

Needless to say I didn't get the AOE 3rd edition (I have the 2nd edition on my Kindle). I will get it once it's available in electronic format.
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« Reply #252 on: June 25, 2015, 03:13:06 am »
I finally gave in and bought the 3rd edition in tree-form, and thought I could convince myself to actually read a paper book.

I forgot exactly how heavy a giant hardback book such as this is. Further, I can't easily read it in bed because its backlight seems sub-par compared to my iPad. I just can't find a comfortable way to hold and read this massive, bulky book.

Maybe someone will scan it and the scan will accidentally end up on my tablet in PDF format. I already paid for the book, so I think my guilt-o-meter would read near zero.
 

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« Reply #253 on: June 29, 2015, 05:17:21 pm »
Although that's entirely besides the point - creators of work should be compensated for said work, regardless of what kind of work it is.  There is more than one way of compensating someone though, but it has to be something they agree to.
What's frustrating is that we are stuck with a legal system that might have made sense 200 years ago but today when it's possible to create perfect copies and distribute them around the world for more or less free, copyright just seems incredibly stupid. But we are stuck with it (and dead tree books) because there are too many who has to much invested in it and who are making to much money from it for it to change. Question is how long the Luddites of our time will be able to halt technological progress.
 

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« Reply #254 on: June 29, 2015, 05:43:42 pm »
and dead tree books
Which are a great environmental gift. The tree during its life has absorbed huge amounts of CO2 and generated huge amounts of O2 while storing the Carbon in its fibers that generate the paper.
As long as it is not burned its a good storage place for that carbon, way better than the energy necessay to keep ebooks online.
 

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« Reply #255 on: June 29, 2015, 08:03:27 pm »
Sorry, but that's entirely up to how the energy is generated. You can do it like tree's and get your energy from the sun. :scared:

Carbon can be stored in almost infinite forms. And of course cutting threes, making them into paper, binding and inking those papers doesn't cost energy. Even if you couldn't store a million books on one ebook reader rather than having the process of making a book duplicated for every single book owner.

There's no way around it: people have legitimate use cases for an AoE ebook and it should be thing. Saying I prefer a real book is like saying, I prefer walking and therefore stuff shouln't be delivered by trucks.
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« Reply #256 on: July 07, 2015, 12:56:52 pm »
I've just been refused access to http://artofelectronics.net by my ISP on the grounds that it contains malware. Anyone else had this issue? Report is here:

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« Reply #257 on: July 07, 2015, 01:25:32 pm »
Working fine here. Virus and malware scanner doesn't complain.

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« Reply #258 on: July 07, 2015, 02:33:36 pm »
No problem here either, and also not from http://urlquery.net/report.php?id=1436279553984
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« Reply #259 on: July 10, 2015, 09:55:01 am »
ISP has now given the site an all clear. A false alarm...
 

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« Reply #260 on: July 11, 2015, 07:40:54 am »
Reading Flim-Flam from James Randi, I came across this :

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Another test consisted of hanging ordinary latchkeys from electrical leads terminating in embedded strain gauges to test for bending by paranormal influence. Inglis said these tests were conducted in the homes of the psychics, at their leisure. Children were the subjects, "tests were deliberately kept as informal as possible... and the subject was encouraged to do his own thing (making aircraft models) to pass the time."
Rather detailed accounts given by Hasted of the conditions of some experiments led me to suspect that the sharp "spike" tracings he got on his chart recorder connected to the electronic circuitry might be due to static electricity, not paranormal influence. He said the subject squirmed about and held his hands out to the dangling key occasionally, whereupon a result was recorded on the chart. But the very sharp spike is typical of a static discharge registration, so I sent off the circuit diagrams, which were kindly supplied by Professor Hasted, to Dr. Paul Horowitz of Harvard University for comments.
Dr. Horowitz replied, "You are, of course, right in your interpretation... If that 'experiment' convinces anyone of anything, then they typify the utmost in gullibility. What's happening is that common-mode [extraneous] signals, not being rejected owing to a disastrous choice of amplifier configurations, are driving the subsequent amplifiers into nonlinearities. This is a classic problem with strain gauges, since the genuine (normal-mode) signal is typically very small... [It would be] better for Hasted to do the thing right, which means, among other things, to use one of those channels to display the common-mode signal, while the rest are busy displaying normal-mode signals. The absence of such a channel shows that he hasn't been careful, and effectively nullifies any result he claims.... All data that emerge from that apparatus are worthless, and will continue to be, until the amplifiers are replaced with [proper] instrumentation amplifiers with satisfactory, common-mode rejection. [Hasted] has plenty to do before anyone even mildly critical will believe him.".
Dr. Horowitz has just completed a book on electronics. The book discusses the considerable problems inherent in the use of strain gauges, and the specific sensitivity of the Hasted circuit to extraneous signals—such as static charges generated by squirming little boys—is documented.

I propose that the "Horowitz" become the official badassery unit, named Ho. It is like the Farad, which is a huge unit on itself, so regular people would be in the range of uHo, nHo, pHo, more rarely mHo. fHo is more adapted for some specific environments (ministries, top management...)

But it wouldn't be fair to ignore the "Hill" unit, the Hi. The Ho is to the Siemens what the Hi is to the mho (don't get mho and mHo mixed up !), i.e pretty much the same thing.

They deserve this.

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« Reply #261 on: July 11, 2015, 12:51:34 pm »
Never knew there was a Randi Ho partnership ;)

(...and thanks for reminding me I should get some James Randi reading material. I'm surprised I don't have any as I'm a fan!)
 

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« Reply #262 on: July 20, 2015, 03:15:18 am »
I love my copy of AoE, but like others on this thread, I strongly think that this book would work much better if it was a PDF or an eBook.

For one thing, there are more than a hundred figures in every chapter, and every page refers the reader to figures, tables, or sections that are on a different page, often a different chapter. This becomes even more apparent in the Chapter Review sections, where it seems that every other sentence refers you to a figure elsewhere.

With a paper copy it's nearly impossible to take advantage of this extensive cross referencing without wearing your fingers to the bone and ripping a few pages in the process. It would be wonderful to just click on a link to make these figures, tables, or sections instantly and magically available!
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« Reply #263 on: July 20, 2015, 06:24:08 am »
With a paper copy it's nearly impossible to take advantage of this extensive cross referencing without wearing your fingers to the bone and ripping a few pages in the process. It would be wonderful to just click on a link to make these figures, tables, or sections instantly and magically available!
The trick is to get two (or three) copies and use them in parallel.
 

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« Reply #264 on: July 20, 2015, 04:55:34 pm »
With a paper copy it's nearly impossible to take advantage of this extensive cross referencing without wearing your fingers to the bone and ripping a few pages in the process. It would be wonderful to just click on a link to make these figures, tables, or sections instantly and magically available!
The trick is to get two (or three) copies and use them in parallel.

...and reading it while being in your boat, right? ;)
 

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« Reply #265 on: July 30, 2015, 11:44:19 pm »
After saving my pennies my copy arrived today from WebStore2012 ordered from Amazon.  I didn't pay for a shipping upgrade, they could have sent int in a box vie media mail for about $2; yet they chose to shove it in a USPS Flat rate Envelope.  Not the padded one that about 25 cents extra, the half a mm envelope thats just about only good for mailing a few sheets of paper.  I use to sell on Amazon and I have sold quite a few items on ebay; quality, service, fast shipping and my reputation has always been paramount,  Large sellers just don't care nor does Amazon or ebay; Amazon is going to make twice the  money selling it twice as used, since their is not a significant difference in price. 

The completely unexceptionable damage aside, I must say I am a little disappointed with the quality of paper and ink.  No there aren't color photographs, but for the price I expected paper that wasn't see through in low light.  I documented WebStore2012's complete negligence reported it to them and just wanted to  quickly pass on the info and get down to reading. 

I don't even want to think about the negative aspects of the entire situation anymore today.  Tomorrow I will open the almost certain automated reply from webcrap2012; bypass them and go straight to Amazon. 

Unfortunately in 2015 the cost of everything is up, I don't know the ins and outs of the publishing deal so I'm not going to speculate,  I'm just going to read my tattered copy and insist a new one is sent before I return the old.  I'm not accepting anything else and I shall remain happy as a clam just having a physical copy, 
 

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« Reply #266 on: July 31, 2015, 05:44:22 pm »
I love my copy of AoE, but like others on this thread, I strongly think that this book would work much better if it was a PDF or an eBook.

For one thing, there are more than a hundred figures in every chapter, and every page refers the reader to figures, tables, or sections that are on a different page, often a different chapter. This becomes even more apparent in the Chapter Review sections, where it seems that every other sentence refers you to a figure elsewhere.

With a paper copy it's nearly impossible to take advantage of this extensive cross referencing without wearing your fingers to the bone and ripping a few pages in the process. It would be wonderful to just click on a link to make these figures, tables, or sections instantly and magically available!

The fact is that the book either is now or will be in pdf format in the near future.  It won't be legal but it will be available.  I have AoE II in pdf format and hardcover.  AoE III in hardcover only. Since technical bookstores have gone by the wayside, I always look for a pdf version to browse before I purchase.  Also, for a purchased book, a pdf is a great addition for searching or cafe browsing.
 

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« Reply #267 on: August 01, 2015, 04:31:34 am »
The PDF version of AoE 2 out in the wild is absolute rubbish though - it's been subject to really crap OCR. There is a much more verbatim copy out there too, but it's in some funny format, very large, and not compatible with bookreaders like Nook and Kindle.
 

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« Reply #268 on: August 01, 2015, 06:19:26 am »
The PDF version of AoE 2 out in the wild is absolute rubbish though - it's been subject to really crap OCR. There is a much more verbatim copy out there too, but it's in some funny format, very large, and not compatible with bookreaders like Nook and Kindle.
I just checked, and yeah, its not the best but not terrible (reading wise).  I ran my own OCR (I have an version of Adobe Acrobat PRO) and it searches fine.
 

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« Reply #269 on: August 01, 2015, 12:26:43 pm »
The PDF version of AoE 2 out in the wild is absolute rubbish though - it's been subject to really crap OCR. There is a much more verbatim copy out there too, but it's in some funny format, very large, and not compatible with bookreaders like Nook and Kindle.

I have two of the 2nd, both in PDF format; one of them is missing the first chapter.  I believe the one that is missing the first chapter is of better reading quality; I can't say for sure as they are tucked away.  Since I have legitimately purchased the 3rd and 2nd editions, I feel I have paid my fair share; others are free to disagree.
 

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« Reply #270 on: September 09, 2015, 10:56:53 pm »
Although that's entirely besides the point - creators of work should be compensated for said work, regardless of what kind of work it is.  There is more than one way of compensating someone though, but it has to be something they agree to.
What's frustrating is that we are stuck with a legal system that might have made sense 200 years ago but today when it's possible to create perfect copies and distribute them around the world for more or less free, copyright just seems incredibly stupid. But we are stuck with it (and dead tree books) because there are too many who has to much invested in it and who are making to much money from it for it to change. Question is how long the Luddites of our time will be able to halt technological progress.

At least  we are stuck with a legal system that still makes sense since 200 years ago especially when  today it's possible to create perfect copies and distribute them around the world for more or less free, copyright is the last legast stop to having ones work distributed for free
But we have stuck with it (and dead tree books) because there are too many people that still recognize the value and are able to make money from it.
Question is how long before all this technological progress  puts a stop to authors writing books.


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« Reply #271 on: September 10, 2015, 07:13:57 am »
Question is how long the Luddites of our time will be able to halt technological progress.
Well, the best model so far is something like Kickstarter. You want another book by G.R.R. Martin? Then fund him for a year (or in his case ten) and he will make it. After another year where all the backers can read and feel superior for getting it early, it is released for free to the general public.

People will never stop being creative anyway. With automatisation replacing much of human labour and things like birth control, we simply have the opportunity to give every human being on this planet a simple life with four walls, running water, warmth, food, health care and entertainment to not worry. I think every one deserves that. Of course we also give dictators the opportunity to control large amounts of people fairly easily without the possibility of an uprising. it's not that there are no solutions, just that people have not caught up and made up their minds on what they want.
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« Reply #272 on: September 10, 2015, 12:59:50 pm »
Well, worked my way tru the book, and damd, still dont know who the murderer was!

It was over-voltage and heat was his accomplice.

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« Reply #273 on: September 10, 2015, 04:13:16 pm »
Just one more thing Dr Short-circuit...
 

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« Reply #274 on: September 13, 2015, 03:33:39 pm »
I must say I am a little disappointed with the quality of paper and ink.  No there aren't color photographs, but for the price I expected paper that wasn't see through in low light.

Imagine how thick the book would be if a thicker paper was used...
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« Reply #275 on: November 07, 2015, 10:13:00 pm »
I buyed AoE 2nd edition hard cover for 6 USD few days before, from local second hand books seller. But the book is in "new" condition, probably never used.   :-+
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« Reply #277 on: December 11, 2015, 02:49:22 am »
Just to bump this thread  :)
Learning The Art of Electronics 3rd edition can be pre-ordered now.
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So based on previous experience... it should be ready, what... 30 years from now?
 

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« Reply #278 on: December 11, 2015, 05:47:27 am »
April 22, 2016  :)
 

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« Reply #279 on: December 11, 2015, 06:12:03 am »
How much money are you willing to bet?  $75 maybe?  :)
 

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« Reply #280 on: December 14, 2015, 06:01:17 pm »

It may be an artifact of the binding process. Running my fingers over the page I can feel that they are slightly bumpy in the vertical direction as well so maybe they use hot glue to bind them which then shrinks a bit and puts the pages under slight compression.

Just catching up on some back reading here and I thought I'd clarify this.

You're completely right. Sadly what passes as a 'hardback' book nowadays is actually constructed just like a paperback but with some cardboard slapped around the outside. Instead of a proper, stitched spine using folded sections the back edges are cut and glued in what is known as a "perfect binding" and if you're lucky a strip of cloth gets added along with the glue which may be hot melt or may be a thick aqueous paste that's very similar to PVA/Elmers/White* glue.

In a few years hard use the glued construction collapses completely, whereas there are traditional stitched spine books around that are hundreds of years old and are still servicable. The glued construction is *much* cheaper to make than the traditional stitched construction, sadly this isn't reflected in the premium price the customer typically pays for a hardback edition versus a paperback edition.

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« Reply #281 on: December 25, 2015, 03:29:10 pm »
A note from the co-author: We've recently learned that there are *counterfeits* abroad in the land (we're shocked, shocked!).
They make nice collector pieces, but, hey, not a good deal if you want the Real Thing.
Some folks who bought "new" copies on Amazon (marketplace seller) recently, priced suspiciously low, have reported some amusing errors (and crappy bindings), for example ligatures (lingo for pairs like fi, ffi, fl) not rendering; so my co-author Winfield has lost a piece of his soul, right on the title page, becoming "Wineld" (and analogous weirdnesses with "filter" in the Table of Contents, etc.).
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« Reply #282 on: December 25, 2015, 03:48:55 pm »
That didn't take them long.  ::)  :--
 

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« Reply #283 on: December 25, 2015, 05:19:19 pm »
After unwrapping my copy under the tree this morning and seeing this note I just had to peak at the title page - phew, name spelled correctly, guess I got the real thing!  (from Amazon BTW)  :phew:
 

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« Reply #284 on: December 25, 2015, 07:42:55 pm »
Some folks who bought "new" copies on Amazon (marketplace seller) recently, priced suspiciously low, have reported some amusing errors (and crappy bindings), for example ligatures (lingo for pairs like fi, ffi, fl) not rendering; so my co-author Winfield has lost a piece of his soul, right on the title page, becoming "Wineld" (and analogous weirdnesses with "filter" in the Table of Contents, etc.).
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Yeah, cheap OCR software I guess  :--  Luckily my copy is genuine!
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« Reply #285 on: December 25, 2015, 07:58:51 pm »
At first I was surprised they even bothered to OCR rather than just "xerox" it. Why go to that extra effort?

But of course they may have then had it "professionally" typeset and mass published which would explain the OCR.

Well we now know there is a (crappy) digital version out there that is not kept out of the public domain by the original authors/publishers alone.

Of course the fraudsters will not release this as it would affect their own criminal sales and so they will hold onto the fruits of all the "hard work" they did copying the original like grim death...

So anyone looking for a .epub or .pdf version will be left wanting...  :-DD

...and you can all sing for my personally digitized version!
 

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« Reply #286 on: December 25, 2015, 08:06:35 pm »
...and you can all sing for my personally digitized version!

More details please! :-+

Does it have links to all the figures, sections and references ... like the  one I dream about? :clap:
 

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« Reply #287 on: December 25, 2015, 09:02:27 pm »
More details please! :-+

Does it have links to all the figures, sections and references ... like the  one I dream about? :clap:
But of course. There would be no point digitizing it all and OCR and then correcting it, applying the errata and making all the diagrams nice and hi resolution and fit so perfectly otherwise.

A lot of hard work, hence why I will keep it to myself thank you very much.  :-DD
 

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« Reply #288 on: December 25, 2015, 11:45:33 pm »
But of course. There would be no point digitizing it all and OCR and then correcting it, applying the errata and making all the diagrams nice and hi resolution and fit so perfectly otherwise.

A lot of hard work, hence why I will keep it to myself thank you very much.  :-DD

Thanks Macbeth,

It's refreshing to find others that go to extreme lengths to get things to work exactly the way they want them to! :clap:

For a while I thought that I may be the only nut that would consider taking on an elaborate task of this magnitude to produce a single copy for myself! :palm:

Including references to other books and publications! :-DD
 

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« Reply #289 on: December 26, 2015, 01:29:25 pm »
After saving my pennies my copy arrived today from WebStore2012 ordered from Amazon.  I didn't pay for a shipping upgrade, they could have sent int in a box vie media mail for about $2; yet they chose to shove it in a USPS Flat rate Envelope.  Not the padded one that about 25 cents extra, the half a mm envelope thats just about only good for mailing a few sheets of paper.  I use to sell on Amazon and I have sold quite a few items on ebay; quality, service, fast shipping and my reputation has always been paramount,  Large sellers just don't care nor does Amazon or ebay; Amazon is going to make twice the  money selling it twice as used, since their is not a significant difference in price. 

The completely unexceptionable damage aside, I must say I am a little disappointed with the quality of paper and ink.  No there aren't color photographs, but for the price I expected paper that wasn't see through in low light.  I documented WebStore2012's complete negligence reported it to them and just wanted to  quickly pass on the info and get down to reading. 

I don't even want to think about the negative aspects of the entire situation anymore today.  Tomorrow I will open the almost certain automated reply from webcrap2012; bypass them and go straight to Amazon. 

Unfortunately in 2015 the cost of everything is up, I don't know the ins and outs of the publishing deal so I'm not going to speculate,  I'm just going to read my tattered copy and insist a new one is sent before I return the old.  I'm not accepting anything else and I shall remain happy as a clam just having a physical copy,

Hey...

I'm sorry to say it, but you all have to much free time.

Proofread 1200 pages and remake each figure by one person? You all are lying to me or seriously have and extreme form of OCD and Asperger. Nothing wrong about that, but I highly doubt you could remake that big book in that obsessive way by yourself.

They used an entire team of Indians for that. Yes, your precious expensive book is made thanks to cheap labor from third world.

Of course, I put this to be read by the original authors too.
 
But of course. There would be no point digitizing it all and OCR and then correcting it, applying the errata and making all the diagrams nice and hi resolution and fit so perfectly otherwise.

A lot of hard work, hence why I will keep it to myself thank you very much.  :-DD

Thanks Macbeth,

It's refreshing to find others that go to extreme lengths to get things to work exactly the way they want them to! :clap:

For a while I thought that I may be the only nut that would consider taking on an elaborate task of this magnitude to produce a single copy for myself! [emoji14]alm:

Including references to other books and publications! :-DD
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