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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #300 on: December 30, 2015, 10:45:41 pm »
Oh!

The wonders of virtual reality and Photoshop! :clap:

Or is it? :-//
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #301 on: December 31, 2015, 06:03:27 am »
I thought I was nuts! :-DD

But after reading some of these comments I feel saner by the minute! :phew:

I thought all engineers owned the following meter:

 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #302 on: December 31, 2015, 07:42:09 am »
Oh!

The wonders of virtual reality and Photoshop! :clap:

Or is it? :-//
It's okay, but I see tons of blurry and grained background. A work to be proud would be to pass it over OmniPage 19, get it fixed manually and vectorizing the drawings with another round of manual fixings. But I reckon that would require a lot of work.

Even more crazy: Sacrifice a book for cutting it and put it in a scanner feeder. But that Bible book would probably cause some issues.

Your results were jokingly exaggerated, you aren't so nuts!

Fox It? What about a real OCR program? Adobe bought Iris, they are perversely smart like Microsoft. Their software is bloated and overpriced, but it has good features. The same about Nuance giant monster.

Despite I love FOSS, the best OCR engine is the awful and old Tesseract that got bought by Google to HP. And they have millions of monkeys doing OCR thanks to the evil ReCaptCha.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #303 on: December 31, 2015, 05:18:47 pm »
It's okay, but I see tons of blurry and grained background. ...

That's the point of using a highly compressed and lossy gif!

Even more crazy: Sacrifice a book for cutting it and put it in a scanner feeder. But that Bible book would probably cause some issues.

If you are willing to do the work, there is enough space between the center of the book and the inside margins to get perfectly flat scans without taking the book apart. The catch is that you can't use a feeder!

Your results were jokingly exaggerated, you aren't so nuts!

That's the point of the post!

When you view the lossy gif is up to you to decide whether it represents a real digital version of AoE or if it's just a fake using photographic effects!

Fox It? What about a real OCR program? Adobe bought Iris, they are perversely smart like Microsoft. Their software is bloated and overpriced, but it has good features. The same about Nuance giant monster.

What you see is Foxit reader, not OCR. Adobe's latest release did away with thumbnails and some users, including me, are protesting by switching to Foxit.

A version of Iris is bundled with most HP printers/scanners, so a lot of the OCR results you see were processed by an Iris engine.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #304 on: January 05, 2016, 03:47:05 am »
Fresh news on electronic versions of The Art of Electronics, 3rd edition, as related by our editor at Cambridge Univ Press:

1. a Kindle Reader version is in the works for release this spring.  it will be a "print replica" (rather than "flowable"), so each page will look exactly as in the printed book.  viewable on desktops, laptops, and tablets, etc., with the Kindle app.

2. an html5 streamable version will come out somewhat later in the year.  viewable on standard browsers (optimized for Chrome, I believe)
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #305 on: January 05, 2016, 04:40:47 am »
Fresh news on electronic versions of The Art of Electronics, 3rd edition, as related by our editor at Cambridge Univ Press:

1. a Kindle Reader version is in the works for release this spring.  it will be a "print replica" (rather than "flowable"), so each page will look exactly as in the printed book.  viewable on desktops, laptops, and tablets, etc., with the Kindle app.

2. an html5 streamable version will come out somewhat later in the year.  viewable on standard browsers (optimized for Chrome, I believe)

Will these at least have high quality graphics and erratas fixed?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #306 on: January 05, 2016, 07:02:11 am »
Hallelujah! :clap:

At the very least this is a step in the right direction! :-+

Hope that the extensive cross referencing between chapters, sections, tables, etc. is enhanced with links to provide the reader with a quick and easy way to take advantage of it!
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #307 on: January 05, 2016, 10:05:53 am »
I hope at the least the eBook version allows mark up and annotations ability. Sending to the printer would also be nice. I am not to sure about the Html version been there done that before. Frlom my experience it requires constant Internet access and no mark up or annotations. You could not even bookmark a page.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #308 on: January 05, 2016, 10:30:55 am »
The experience for having books in paper and electrronic formats already exists in Cambridge. See, for example, http://withouthotair.com/
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #309 on: January 05, 2016, 11:54:49 am »
Fresh news on electronic versions of The Art of Electronics, 3rd edition, as related by our editor at Cambridge Univ Press:

1. a Kindle Reader version is in the works for release this spring.  it will be a "print replica" (rather than "flowable"), so each page will look exactly as in the printed book.  viewable on desktops, laptops, and tablets, etc., with the Kindle app.

2. an html5 streamable version will come out somewhat later in the year.  viewable on standard browsers (optimized for Chrome, I believe)

Great news, I assume these versions will include all of the various errata updates?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #310 on: January 05, 2016, 03:06:47 pm »
In answer to several questions about e-book and streaming AoE3:

1. clean text and graphics, of course, and incorporating known errata.

2. html version will be live, kept current, fully linked, popup graphics in separate window, equations via MathJax, separately scrollable ToC, etc.  it will require internet connection.

3. the Kindle version is downloaded, lives on your viewing device(s); clean text and graphics, looks just like the printed page, but no popups, and the text is not flowable.  my understanding is that print replicas, though searchable, do not support links.

disclaimer: this is my understanding, to date.  more info when we learn more, OK?
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #311 on: January 05, 2016, 04:13:02 pm »
In answer to several questions about e-book and streaming AoE3:

1. clean text and graphics, of course, and incorporating known errata.

2. html version will be live, kept current, fully linked, popup graphics in separate window, equations via MathJax, separately scrollable ToC, etc.  it will require internet connection.

3. the Kindle version is downloaded, lives on your viewing device(s); clean text and graphics, looks just like the printed page, but no popups, and the text is not flowable.  my understanding is that print replicas, though searchable, do not support links.

disclaimer: this is my understanding, to date.  more info when we learn more, OK?

It's okay, Paul.

I still don't understand why this wasn't the initial plan, but those are the mysteries of book publishers.

I just hope it gets all the deleted content of previous editions, even some more historical notes could be added too. Humor is never enough, of course.

What do you mean with live? Do you mean it will be constantly updated? I would pay a small subscription to have a real live book that constantly gets updated, accepts feedback and have extra resources (Learning the Art of Electronics as a bundle). The need to constant Internet access or DRM would worry me, but that's how publishers work I suppose.

I would prefer to have an OPDS server with login and password, then read the latest updated epub3 version on my devices ;)

We'll wait, don't worry. After all this edition taken 30 years to arrive! I just hope the book goes to a iterative and modern process thanks to new technologies, so "editions" could be a thing of the past.

I myself bought an 9,7" Android 4 e-ink device, Onyx Boox M96Plus. While the firmware has some things to improve, I prefer an ereader with the possibility to install applications.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #312 on: January 05, 2016, 05:04:35 pm »
In answer to several questions about e-book and streaming AoE3:

1. clean text and graphics, of course, and incorporating known errata.


Paul,

Here is a list of very minor errors I've compiled. I didn't think this list was important enough to submit to the official errata, but maybe it can help make the digitized versions more perfect!
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #313 on: January 05, 2016, 05:51:10 pm »
In answer to several questions about e-book and streaming AoE3:

1. clean text and graphics, of course, and incorporating known errata.


Paul,

Here is a list of very minor errors I've compiled. I didn't think this list was important enough to submit to the official errata, but maybe it can help make the digitized versions more perfect!

That's a nice list. It would be very nice to have an up to date complete list available. Perhaps I would go through and annotate my paper copy.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #314 on: January 05, 2016, 08:56:07 pm »
... It would be very nice to have an up to date complete list available. ...

Tomorokoshi,

This is the link to the official AoE 3e errata:

http://artofelectronics.net/errata/

It mostly contains corrections to technical errors by various contributors and it's vetted by the authors so you know for a fact that they have reviewed each candidate erratum and found it to be correct!

 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #315 on: January 05, 2016, 09:34:52 pm »

In answer to several questions about e-book and streaming AoE3:

1. clean text and graphics, of course, and incorporating known errata.

2. html version will be live, kept current, fully linked, popup graphics in separate window, equations via MathJax, separately scrollable ToC, etc.  it will require internet connection.

3. the Kindle version is downloaded, lives on your viewing device(s); clean text and graphics, looks just like the printed page, but no popups, and the text is not flowable.  my understanding is that print replicas, though searchable, do not support links.

disclaimer: this is my understanding, to date.  more info when we learn more, OK?

How about just a PDF version too? You know a nice, unencrypted PDF I can view on my laptop and iPad, without the headache of DRM...

Hopefully, Kindle also means iBooks? If there's no PDF version then iBooks would be my second choice.

Finally, will I have to fork out an extra $100 for the "privilege" of getting an eCopy of the book if I already own the hardcover version? If so, shame on you! If not, woohoo, finally someone who gets it!
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #316 on: January 05, 2016, 10:06:18 pm »
Finally, will I have to fork out an extra $100 for the "privilege" of getting an eCopy of the book if I already own the hardcover version? If so, shame on you! If not, woohoo, finally someone who gets it!
If you own the original then I can see no reason why you couldn't just scan your own sections of the book you are interested in for your own study as and when needed. It wouldn't be to onerous to do that at say a chapter or needed pages at a time. Perhaps just scan the index and OCR it to begin with to find the necessary pages you need to copy for review.

Eventually you will have built up a whole lot of chapters and I guess you will have them fully indexed too. A complete e-book.

Of course I'm not sure about USA copyright law anymore, and these new TPP and TTIP deals held in smoked filled rooms appear to make normal "fair use" a criminal offence with 5 years in jail, but you lot voted for Obama.

If you don't let the NSA or the publisher know you copied your own book for your own use then I really can't see any problem.
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #317 on: January 05, 2016, 10:35:41 pm »
The harder you try to protect something against unauthorized copying the more likely it is that someone will bother trying to break your protection.
 

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« Reply #318 on: January 05, 2016, 11:54:46 pm »
The harder you try to protect something against unauthorized copying the more likely it is that someone will bother trying to break your protection.
Just as well this one is piss easy to copy - I mean it is a text book.  :-DD
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #319 on: January 06, 2016, 07:56:33 pm »
I know people who own a copy and torrented an OCRed version. Apparently there are some nice versions out there, even including the errata. So rewarding loyal buyers with the e-version would be a good idea.
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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #320 on: January 08, 2016, 04:19:09 pm »
For those looking for a deal on the latest edition, come to Canada:

Amazon.com: US$87.86
Amazon.ca: C$90.43  (US $63.95)
(mine should arrive today)

I'm guessing they set the price for the new edition when the C$ was up around US$0.95 not the US$0.71 it's at right now
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #321 on: January 08, 2016, 05:52:49 pm »
For those looking for a deal on the latest edition, come to Canada:

Amazon.com: US$87.86
Amazon.ca: C$90.43  (US $63.95)
(mine should arrive today)

I'm guessing they set the price for the new edition when the C$ was up around US$0.95 not the US$0.71 it's at right now

Yep. I just spent a few days in Victoria - everything was on sale in US$! ;D
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #322 on: January 09, 2016, 03:59:52 am »
For those looking for a deal on the latest edition, come to Canada:

Amazon.com: US$87.86
Amazon.ca: C$90.43  (US $63.95)
(mine should arrive today)

I'm guessing they set the price for the new edition when the C$ was up around US$0.95 not the US$0.71 it's at right now

Yep. I just spent a few days in Victoria - everything was on sale in US$! ;D

I lived in Victoria for 25 yrs...
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #323 on: January 09, 2016, 05:35:51 am »

I lived in Victoria for 25 yrs...

I love Victoria and go there all the time - it's the closest "city" to me.  I just live a ferry ride away - across the Strait....
 

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Re: The Art Of Electronics 3rd Edition
« Reply #324 on: January 13, 2016, 04:46:08 pm »
It arrived; and it's a beast. Wow.  Going to take me a little bit of time to absorb all of that.


I lived in Victoria for 25 yrs...
I love Victoria and go there all the time - it's the closest "city" to me.  I just live a ferry ride away - across the Strait....
Next time you head over, try and locate the "Barbara Streisand Room" (no one says Blackball don't have a sense of humour).  It's hard to believe that old ship plies the waters every day; it's older than I am !

 


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