And then their is this worrying statement in YouTube's Terms of Service...Viva Frei talked about it.
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"Rather, the clause gives Google more leeway to determine whether it should remove particular YouTube or Google services if they find that it just doesn’t make commercial sense to keep them around"
Do you mean you want to get rid of the hate speech on the platform, or get rid of the rules attempting to stop hate speech?
Do you mean you want to get rid of the hate speech on the platform, or get rid of the rules attempting to stop hate speech?
Is it possible to geo-restrict the availability of a channel... to all countries where FTC doesn't have jurisdiction?
(I understand that e.g. in Dave's case wouldn't be much suitable, as he'd lose a substantial part of the viewership)
And if so, would this new rule still apply, while making even less sense?
Eh, I don't think you can blame YT on this, or necessarily that there is blame to be had, I'm not sure it's a bad thing.As a foreigner having to answer that seemingly ridiculous questionnaire at the US border, to me this reads exactly the same: it is a declaration from the channel owner that allows Youtube to have more weight and avoid litigation when shutting down a channel due to these troubles with kids. IMHO after Elsagate I think this is not entirely a bad thing.
From YT's perspective it's realistically impossible to review every video uploaded and make sure it complies with law before they publish it.
So yeah, asking the content producer to declare if the video is for kids or not for kids then that's reasonable to me.
It's impossible to reasonably determine what's attractive to kids.I agree completely - heck, even the definition of a "kid" varies across the world. However, there are blatantly obvious channels targeting kids that were explicitly adult - this filter/decision/whatever will *help* (not solve) to scare away these bastards, especially if they are in the US, where financial penalties can be enforced.
I'm not sure what's the deal with notifications, but IIRC there was drama many months ago that comments have been disabled on videos uploaded by minors. I believe it officially was to protect them from pedos trying to contact them, so there you go, by the same logic your videos shouldn't have comments if children are watching them :palm:
I'm not sure what's the deal with notifications, but IIRC there was drama many months ago that comments have been disabled on videos uploaded by minors. I believe it officially was to protect them from pedos trying to contact them
I'm not sure what's the deal with notifications, but IIRC there was drama many months ago that comments have been disabled on videos uploaded by minors. I believe it officially was to protect them from pedos trying to contact them
No, it was to stop the pedos from signalling each other using secret codes in the comments.
To nuke the entire platform of kids content is the dumbest response ever :palm:
as before someone with an agenda against Youtube found or made up something they could stir up some outrage about and Youtube panics and overreacts
as before someone with an agenda against Youtube found or made up something they could stir up some outrage about and Youtube panics and overreacts
Hundred bucks says it was a Blue Checkmark on Twitter.
Various elements that hate YT for, let's say, their content policies, also did their due part to promote the drama on antisocial media.as before someone with an agenda against Youtube found or made up something they could stir up some outrage about and Youtube panics and overreacts
Hundred bucks says it was a Blue Checkmark on Twitter.
It was also revealed in the media that many videos featuring minors – frequently uploaded by the children themselves and showing innocent content – had attracted comments from pedophiles and other hate groups. Some of these videos were monetized. As a result of the controversy, several major advertisers froze spending on YouTube, forcing YouTube to ban children from their site, citing legal obligations.Ehm, wait, did they mean that 13 y.o. chick ranting about incel white knights, muslims, arranged marriages and censorship? :-DD
Also, from nonsensopediaQuoteIt was also revealed in the media that many videos featuring minors – frequently uploaded by the children themselves and showing innocent content – had attracted comments from pedophiles and other hate groups. Some of these videos were monetized. As a result of the controversy, several major advertisers froze spending on YouTube, forcing YouTube to ban children from their site, citing legal obligations.
you only get access to comments and recommended videos and tracked if you are logged in.Be careful what you ask for, didn't you say that disabling tracking cuts ad revenue by 60% to 90%? I, for one, never log in to YT. I don't know how many people use YT without logging in, but probably quite a few. Both YT and creators would lose money on that.
And the whole thing is a thing because FTC is going after YT. Perhaps it's part of Trump's vendetta against Google, he is on record saying that the government will have a look into them.You do not have to be Trump to do this. It is long overdue.
Eh, I don't think you can blame YT on this, or necessarily that there is blame to be had, I'm not sure it's a bad thing.
From YT's perspective it's realistically impossible to review every video uploaded and make sure it complies with law before they publish it.
you only get access to comments and recommended videos and tracked if you are logged in.
https://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watch?v=SFrUINyYcEAI would had been offended if someone called me a kid when i was 13 y. o.That's ok because the USA Federal Law of the yeehaw FTC states that a "kid" is not just a young billy goat, but any 'murican child <13 years of age, not <=13, so god help me!
its a difficult time for the American empireAnd the whole thing is a thing because FTC is going after YT. Perhaps it's part of Trump's vendetta against Google, he is on record saying that the government will have a look into them.You do not have to be Trump to do this. It is long overdue.
Long story short, Dave is in the clear not matter what he does here on his channel, but, will Youtube see it that way, or throw a dumb AI algorithm at him and nail him down one day unexpectedly? Youtube seems to do their own interpretations as they see or judge fit.
By the way, there is a site where you can view anything on YouTube without logging in, including ADULT YouTube content (stuff that would be normally filtered if not logged in). Just add "nsfw" in front of the YouTube Link.
By the way, there is a site where you can view anything on YouTube without logging in, including ADULT YouTube content (stuff that would be normally filtered if not logged in). Just add "nsfw" in front of the YouTube Link.You don't even need to visit a different domain, because YouTube itself will play any video as long as you use the embed URI.
Change the watch?v= to embed/ and voila, you can watch without logging in.
Not saying this is easier, but the point is that YouTube's security is window dressing
Currently you have to be over 13yo to have a Youtube/Google account, so it seems the answer is simple. Don't track anyone unless they logged in, bingo, you have met the COPPA requirement.Yes, but a lot of adults browse Youtube not logged in and Youtube wants to track them, as they want to track people between their multiple accounts and so on. That's what they do for a living and, unlike you, it's the only job they have.
By the way, there is a site where you can view anything on YouTube without logging in, including ADULT YouTube content (stuff that would be normally filtered if not logged in). Just add "nsfw" in front of the YouTube Link.
You don't even need to visit a different domain, because YouTube itself will play any video as long as you use the embed URI.
Change the watch?v= to embed/ and voila, you can watch without logging in.
Not saying this is easier, but the point is that YouTube's security is window dressing ... except when it comes to restricting you from watching YouTube Red videos without a subscription, of course. ;)
Example: https://www.youtube.com/embed/EE3nSDt4GRc (https://www.youtube.com/embed/EE3nSDt4GRc)
Currently you have to be over 13yo to have a Youtube/Google account, so it seems the answer is simple. Don't track anyone unless they logged in, bingo, you have met the COPPA requirement.Yes, but a lot of adults browse Youtube not logged in and Youtube wants to track them
That's what they do for a living and, unlike you, it's the only job they have.
..mmmm.... ever heard about https://invidio.us/ (https://invidio.us/) ?
..mmmm.... ever heard about https://invidio.us/ (https://invidio.us/) ?
Youtube is the only job I have.But you could get some other job if Youtube disappeared, I think you said it yourself many times that if nothing else, you could go back to doing design jobs. Meanwhile if YT were to stop showing personalized ads they could as well shut the company down, unless they miraculously convince their viewers, creators or anyone else to start paying for it overnight ::)
But I wouldn't deliberately go and piss off my entire audience like Youtube are doing to their creators.
And it's not going to be the end of the world. I doubt that you will abandon them over this drama if they don't nuke your channel and I doubt that others will. Of course risk will increase, creators will be thinking more seriously about backup plans, a few kids channels will be shown the door, some small channels may get screwed by dumb AI. But if yours gets restricted by accident then thousands of people, presumably including several Google employees, will stir up enough shit that you will be back online by the end of the day. Such is life.
As seen before in other crisis, nothing will happen with the high profile kids channels such as Ryan ToysReview (top earner on YT)
So it is indeed a few, as there are apparently tens of millions of channels in total ;)
So they choose between totally screwing 0.1% of their channels (assuming your number) or partly screwing everybody.
Yes, tracking is one thing, but I don't believe for a second that the big advertisers think the COPPA will take kids' eyeballs away from those channels - sure, they may take a pause to see how this rolls, but there's just too much money sitting in such targeted content and popular media. That may chip away some of the revenue, but I suspect it won't be that high.As seen before in other crisis, nothing will happen with the high profile kids channels such as Ryan ToysReview (top earner on YT)
Wrong.
Youtube are required BY LAW to not track kids, and have stated as part of the legal FTC settlement they will disable comments, notifications, and virtually everything for kids channels, so there cannot be a single exception to this.
IIRC Ryans toy reviews does not take sponsorship, they rely on the ad revenue which will drop by probably 90%.
Ok, so they go from $20M year to $2M a year, ours hearts bleed at their hardship, but you can't say "nothing will happen".
It's been that way forever.That is a sound, sustaining approach because your type of content is what makes Youtube a great place. Before this crisis, it was the question if uploading to Youtube provides a sustainable income, if moderation on youtube axes it, if copyright strikes kill YT and so on and so on.
I'm not the least bit worried.
The worst that can happen is Youtube take my channel down, and if that happens to a channel like mine it means the entire Youtube creator community is rooted and the platform is no longer viable for any creator. That day might of course come, but I've been prepared from day one.
Yes, tracking is one thing, but I don't believe for a second that the big advertisers think the COPPA will take kids' eyeballs away from those channels - sure, they may take a pause to see how this rolls, but there's just too much money sitting in such targeted content and popular media. That may chip away some of the revenue, but I suspect it won't be that high.As seen before in other crisis, nothing will happen with the high profile kids channels such as Ryan ToysReview (top earner on YT)
Wrong.
Youtube are required BY LAW to not track kids, and have stated as part of the legal FTC settlement they will disable comments, notifications, and virtually everything for kids channels, so there cannot be a single exception to this.
IIRC Ryans toy reviews does not take sponsorship, they rely on the ad revenue which will drop by probably 90%.
Ok, so they go from $20M year to $2M a year, ours hearts bleed at their hardship, but you can't say "nothing will happen".