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Offline wilfred

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Thread closed. Is it ok?
« on: August 28, 2013, 05:41:47 pm »
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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 05:52:40 pm »
Urgent!!,Need SILICON CHIP MAGAZINE JULY 2004 ARTICLE

That thread was closed by the moderator and the only reason evident was because it was requested by someone who didn't like it.


How about the reason it was closed is because you asked for copyrighted material. A.K.A. stolen property, not payed for, illegal etc. What's outrageous about that?
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 05:55:58 pm »
The reason the thread was locked was because a request was made for the supply of copyright material from other members.
No censorship involved.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 06:01:31 pm »
The reason the thread was locked was because a request was made for the supply of copyright material from other members.
No censorship involved.

There you go.
It's always an individual moderators call.
Personally I likely wouldn't have bothered as the thread would probably have just died out anyway. But Geoff jumped on it first before I saw it and made the call.
And it's not really censorship, because the thread was just closed. No information was edited or deleted, and everyone is free to discuss it like we are doing here.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 04:46:07 am »
If the article/issue is still available for purchase from the publisher, that's probably what you ought to do. If it isn't, I don't see the harm. (As a general rule.)
As it so happens, SC has reasonably priced copies for sale online. Also, free_electron pointed out the possibility that he was going to rip the project for his graduation project in school. All in all, I don't see the problem with closing that particular thread.
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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 06:58:14 am »
Also, free_electron pointed out the possibility that he was going to rip the project for his graduation project in school. All in all, I don't see the problem with closing that particular thread.

I just check that closed thread, and I have to say it looks exactly like that. I see a ton of first-time posting threads just like it on another forum. It's always URGENT! and same, well same everything really. So if that sort of post with a request for pirated content gets booted, I call that a win.  :-+

Saves the trouble of actively ignoring it, and hoping the rest also actively ignores it. :P
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 07:21:08 am »
If you want to perform illegal activities, you can find a better place to do it.

I'm sure Dave doesn't personally care, but it makes the forum look bad.
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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 09:45:47 am »
I've never once seen an urgent post on a forum that was urgent.
Nobody's life was in jeopardy, no war was about to start, just someone who came out of nowhere who usually wanted someone to figure it all out for them without any work.

Interestingly it overwhelmingly seems to come from a certain region of the world.
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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2013, 10:23:34 am »
Interestingly it overwhelmingly seems to come from a certain region of the world.
It's quite possible there is a culturally different use of a word that has direct translation. Just the other day my Dad asked me what rage meant in Spanish. I tried to explain its meaning as I didn't know the word for it in Spanish. After explaining it I looked it up... rabia, and its used more as an expression of infuriated frustration rather than unbridled anger 
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2013, 10:51:49 am »
There was an air crash investigation episode about Avianca Flight 52 that covered this issue, the different meaning of words between cultures.

The plane was circling the airport requesting "priority" for landing due to running low on fuel.
In some cultures priority means "before anyone else" but for most cultures it just means a "somewhat higher level of urgency"

As a result the pilots kept requesting "priority landing" until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed.

There were other factors to, such as the plane being passed around different air traffic controller, but the main factor was the pilots assuming air traffic control knew it was an emergence because they had requested "priority landing".
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Greek letter 'Psi' (not Pounds per Square Inch)
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2013, 10:56:28 am »
If you want to perform illegal activities, you can find a better place to do it.

Well, this is hardly worthy of using the word "illegal". People have been photocopying and passing around electronics magazines since the dawn of Xerox and the fax machine.
In fact, you could argue it's technically illegal for SC to sell any article that was not developed by their paid staff. i.e if it was one of my projects that I submitted.

But of course I agree with nitro2k01. SC still sell copies at reasonable prices, so people should be encouraged to use their services first.

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I'm sure Dave doesn't personally care, but it makes the forum look bad.

Like I've always said, it's essentially a self moderated forum. People will usually put someone in their place if they are asking for something that's deemed generally not ok by the community.
 

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2013, 11:04:50 am »
In fact, you could argue it's technically illegal for SC to sell any article that was not developed by their paid staff. i.e if it was one of my projects that I submitted.
I'm sure these days you grant a license to the publisher when submitting an article, either implicitly or explicitly. Should have been the same back then if they ever talked to a lawyer. Might even be an exclusive license if you're lucky ;).
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2013, 11:14:18 am »
I'm sure these days you grant a license to the publisher when submitting an article, either implicitly or explicitly.

For that one article, yes. Anything else, no. There is nothing in writing, never has been in the oz electronics magazine industry.
This is one of the major reasons why SC will not release the back archive of EA on DVD.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 02:13:23 pm »
I couldn't find the original posting--did the poster actually ask for a scanned copy or otherwise duplicated version,or could it be construed to mean he wanted an old mag complete?
If so,this is quite a common thing in,for instance,the Amateur Radio community.

If the local Countrywoman's Association has a Fete & one of the stalls is selling secondhand magazines,are they too breaching copyright?

Apart from anything else,many of the circuits is SC are just modifications of manufacturer's Application Notes,so who owns the Intellectual Property?
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 02:20:49 pm »
I couldn't find the original posting--did the poster actually ask for a scanned copy or otherwise duplicated version,or could it be construed to mean he wanted an old mag complete?
Apart from anything else,many of the circuits is SC are just modifications of manufacturer's Application Notes,so who owns the Intellectual Property?

He wanted a scanned copy.
SC own the copyright to their own articles produced by staff, as formatted in the magazine.
For articles like mine and other contributors, SC don't actually own anything but the formatting, which makes it very murky.
For example, it's likely not legally ok for me to distribute my own article as published in SC, because although it's my article with my text and my schematic and photos, it is their formatting and their re-drawn circuit.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 02:31:32 pm »
Copyright allows for multiple parties to have copyright ownership of the same work. For example, LT might own the rights to the original appnote, someone else might own the copyrights to the modifications as part of this derivative work, the publisher might own copyrights to the layout, a photographer might own copyrights to the photos, and a font foundry might own the copyrights for the font. Who do you need to ask for permission? All of them. Unless EA licensed the rights to online distribution from them, in which case just EA's permission might be sufficient.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2013, 02:37:42 pm »
Yeah,I finally found it!

Of course,on reflection,there is a lot more than the circuit,such as the description,PCB layout,etc.,so yes,I can see where they would claim copyright.

Electronics mags in the past were considerably more "laid back" about such stuff,as they were in many cases on the other side of the fence.

In the very early days of Radio & Electronics,manufacturers tried to enforce their Intellectual Property over things like valve (tube) design,& applications etc,but it pretty much fell apart at the seams,as the magazines of the time persisted in publishing data & circuits for Hobbyist use.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2013, 02:46:53 pm »
Electronics mags in the past were considerably more "laid back" about such stuff,as they were in many cases on the other side of the fence.

They still are fairly laid back, but with SC it is a case of survival. They have to protect their magazine in a dwindling online world. That is why they won't do a PDF version which is easily copied, and which is why they would (I'm sure) frown upon anyone who for example, scanned and distributed back copies of EA or SC on a mass scale.
Do they care about one person on a forum scanning an article for one other person? I doubt it, it's not worth thinking about for the perhaps lost copy fee they would have got. But from a community point of view, it's not ok, because SC provide a reasonable price copy service, and they need to be supported in order to survive.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2013, 03:11:32 pm »
I scan the SC project articles each month so I don't have to fish through boxes of paper when I want to look at a project.  I'd really like a PDF version, but understand their position I guess.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 04:55:12 am »
If you have bought the physical magazine you are able to do what you want with it, up to and including scanning it for your __OWN__ use. Scanning it and selling the copies is not a fair use. Scanning them and placing on an open server for all to download is also not fair use. Scanning then destroying the original ( to save space) so you have a copy for ( again) __OWN__ use is fair use.

Letting a friend read the magazine you bought is also fair use. There is a grey area though about going to a public library and using the copier there to make a copy for them though. Same with a digital copy.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2013, 04:34:12 am »
I've never once seen an urgent post on a forum that was urgent.

People confuse urgency with a lack of patience quite a bit, I find :)
I write software.  I'd far rather be doing something else.
 

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Re: Thread closed. Is it ok?
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2013, 08:06:02 am »
One advantage of getting project articles off SC directly is they fix mistakes in the article/artwork that appeared in later issues.
 


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