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Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« on: November 11, 2012, 12:07:41 am »
Moderator Note: We seem to get many people sign up and only post stuff for sale. Often not even electronics related (and no PC hardware is not electronics related). This section is for the occasional sale of your personal stuff. If you have good reason to beleive that you need some leeway on this please contact us before posting a shower of posts as otherwise your posts will be removed and you will be banned without warning.

Hi everyone,

this section has become a spam pile so I would like to suggest a couple of rules (mods, maybe "sticky" this?)

1. All "for sale" topics would start with "FS: " and include the manufacturer and model number of the item
2. If you are looking to buy something from eevblog users, start with "WTB: " (want to buy)
3. If you are looking for a source of something, start with "LFS: " (looking for source)
4. If you want to trade, start with "WTT: " (want to trade)
5. If you cannot list all items, end the topic name with "[MORE]"
6. If you found a deal on eBay and would like to share - "EBAY: "
7. If you found a sale and would like to share - "SALE (UK): " with a 2-digit country code in the parenthesis
8. If there is an auction you know about - "AUCTION (AU):"  with a 2-digit country code in the parenthesis

Examples:
FS: Some old stuff <<< BAD
FS: Used DS1052 <<< GOOD
FS: Used Rigol DS1052 oscilloscope <<< EXCELLENT
FS: Agilent scopes, DMMs, Power supplies [MORE] <<< GOOD


WTB: Fluke 8840A parts <<< BAD!
WTB: Fluke 8840A GPIB board and transformer <<< EXCELLENT

LFS: 8-pin connectors <<< BAD
LFS: Cheap DB9 right angle male solder-in connectors <<< EXCELLENT

These guidelines are used on 99% of all classifieds boards and I think it will help clean up this section.

This will help everyone save time from sifting thru every topic to find stuff.

PS: Someone mentioned the Agilent U1272A was on sale a couple a months ago, I got mine for $329 with $100 rebate which I cashed and promptly blew on DMM leads - thank you.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 03:33:47 am »
Does not look like your plan is working out to well. It is a good idea though.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 03:54:38 pm »
7. If you found a sale and would like to share - "SALE (UK): " with a 2-digit country code in the parenthesis
8. If there is an auction you know about - "AUCTION (AU):"  with a 2-digit country code in the parenthesis
With any 'world wide' forum like this one, I would suggest to indicate *always* the country in the the title, also for the FS/WTB/etc. cases.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 09:52:02 am »
Great suggestions OP.

And not only for the FS/WTB section.  I'm so tired of "OH MY LOOK AT THIS - NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART" titles....and it's a worn out power cable that "could" kill someone....meh.

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 01:06:20 am »
for the love of god post prices in USD. No one has time to convert your pesos or shekels.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 11:05:07 pm »
Posts that are simply links to your eBay ad should be deleted.

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2013, 02:36:22 pm »
I think the country codes should be posted anyways, for any sale, just so people know what type of shipping costs and times they are getting themselves into. It should be the following:

FS (CN): Tektronix 1002B Oscilloscope with probes
WTB (US): Fluke 87V DMM
WTT(GB): Fluke 87V for Agilent 1253B

This way, people can know at a glance, if the item can be locally picked up, cheaply shipped, or is out of their reach.
I'm not saying we should kill all stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all product safety labels and let natural selection do its work.

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 09:03:32 am »
for the love of god post prices in USD. No one has time to convert your pesos or shekels.

Or why not Australian Dollars ? The forum is after all run by an Aussie
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 06:22:18 pm »
for the love of god post prices in USD. No one has time to convert your pesos or shekels.

People also don't have time to convert to USD either. Also why would you post an ad in USD if you are sellng in GBP/AUD/other?

This forum is pretty much every man for himself/free state/open community/no rules and telling people what to do and how to do things properly seems to be frowned upon, and people are free to ignore rules and guidance as they see fit anyway so this thread is basically pointless.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2014, 10:38:45 pm »
america is not the only country in the world it seems a bit of an insult to every other country to post every price in usd this is an international forum not an american one plees if you want to deel international one you just have to convert currency its just how it is.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2014, 10:13:29 pm »
I'm an American and I don't mind everybody else posting in their local currency. If I really want the item Ill check the conversion rate, if shipping is viable. But for the most part, I can tell roughly how things will look in USD just from experience. British pounds are pretty easy, done enough deals with the UK to tell, euros are harder but do-able, anything else is pretty uncommon for here, and I have no idea if a shekel is worth more than a yen or not :D

It is useful to know what kind if currency you are dealing in too, I've seen a few posts here for XX dollars, and have no idea if its in USD or AUD. Usually I guess by the country flag if they have one.

Shipping though is one of the more annoying bits for me. I know some users probably don't do international shipping, an some items are too heavy to ship across the pond (use common sense). My biggest peeve is that if you are fine shipping internationally, say so, and if you refuse to ship internationally, say that too. No need even to give an estimate, that can be figured out later.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 12:32:58 am »
I think it would be wise to stick to the most widely used currencies. Don't use Zimbawean dollars just because you feel like it.
I'm not saying we should kill all stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all product safety labels and let natural selection do its work.

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2014, 02:55:54 pm »
Photo's and location would help, along with a ballpark price set.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2014, 01:49:37 pm »
I beg your pardon if this question has already been discussed elsewhere but i've found nothing about it.

I see that in every forum i follow (video, satellite, radio, electronics) there is a section for the Buy/Sell or Classified section where every member could place their request for buying or for selling some stuff.
It's a place where i go with a certain frequency..and i think i'm not the only one...more overv in this period at least here in
Europe where the money are not coming in so easely...but are going out so quickly.. :-(

What i noticed is that is not so easy to make a search through the ads searching what i need..

You try to give some indication for formatting in the good way the ads in order to be more easy to catch what is needed..
But it depend to much from the person who write the ads...
I think that it could be an idea to guide the writing of the ads in order to obtain better results...

The board with the section that go more in the direction i like is the avsforum .

What i'd like to have is a sort of categorization of the ads chosing between fields already populated through a multiple choice option..
It could be useful to be forced to put our ads through a guided way.
Once decided the field (Type, Group, Brand and so on)  it's sufficient to put the principal choices inside the field as values and it should be more easy to find what one is searching for.
 
I try also to search in the support page of the simple machine forum software but i've found nothing interesting...

I try to explain with an example:

First of all the status of the ads:
STATUS
1)Open
2)Closed

Then the Type of the Ads:
TYPE:
1)Buy
2)Sell
3)Change
4)Rent
5)...

Then the macro group in which the product can be classified:
GROUP:
1) Oscilloscope
2) Multimeter
3) Power Supply
4) Solder Station
5) Spectrum Analyzer
6) ...
7) Other

then the Brand of the product :
BRAND :
1) HP
2) FLUKE
3) HAKKO
4)...
5) OTHER

And so on with the desiderd detail level. Of course more one go in depth and more it's the work to settle the values in the field.
but once this works is made it's necessary less work in order to mantain updated the info inside the fields.
(Not every day is borning a new company so not every day is mandatory to add values..)

Of course the more items are placed as value in the fields and the less ads will be going to the Other section...and the more useful will be this solution..
 
My firsts toughts about this way of categorizing ads is that it could be a good solution to help people to write the ads and people to search between ads...

The big difficult in implementing this way of working is to force people to informe other member that the sale or purchase request is no longer active as the product sold or has found what he was looking ... or simply changed his mind ...

But in this situation the search filtering by date could be a good strategy to limit the results...

I thank you for the time you dedicate in reading my post and i'll wait for your opinion.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2014, 06:55:21 pm »
While I respect your laissez-faire attitude to the B/S/T forum can we make a rule like 1 post per month. If you want to sell multiple items in a month they just go in that one post? A certain user (who shall remain nameless) basically uses the forum as his own personal hype board for his ebay sales. It clogs up the posts from the real members and is a general nuisance.
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2014, 02:37:14 am »
A certain user (who shall remain nameless) basically uses the forum as his own personal hype board for his ebay sales. It clogs up the posts from the real members and is a general nuisance.
I hope it's not me. I know who you are talking about but I do post a lot of stuff I find on eBay that's a fair price...
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2014, 02:39:57 am »
A certain user (who shall remain nameless) basically uses the forum as his own personal hype board for his ebay sales. It clogs up the posts from the real members and is a general nuisance.
I hope it's not me. I know who you are talking about but I do post a lot of stuff I find on eBay that's a fair price...
Nope not you for sure. You post stuff you find, not everything you post are your own sales. Plus the sheer volume of posts doesn't even compare.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2014, 04:56:05 am »
A certain user (who shall remain nameless) basically uses the forum as his own personal hype board for his ebay sales. It clogs up the posts from the real members and is a general nuisance.
I hope it's not me. I know who you are talking about but I do post a lot of stuff I find on eBay that's a fair price...
Nope not you for sure. You post stuff you find, not everything you post are your own sales. Plus the sheer volume of posts doesn't even compare.
Ah yes. As well as starting a new topic for every damn thing no one wants to buy.
I'm not saying we should kill all stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all product safety labels and let natural selection do its work.

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2014, 05:36:27 am »
ok. i see it , will write the ad as your said next time.
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2015, 06:33:17 pm »
maybe a little less complicated would suffice?
 

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2016, 08:28:04 pm »
Is it too much to ask if you're not shipping worldwide to specify in the title at least the continent?
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2017, 11:50:34 am »
what do you want
 

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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2017, 06:06:24 pm »
Jay

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2017, 12:45:03 am »
Greetings All,

I was scrolling through the wanted/ selling section and saw a link about a huge eBay lot of vintage gear. I ended up purchasing the lot and would like permission to sale the items here. The eBay seller would not ship, BUT I will ship them to anyone interested. I did not pay much for the lot (relative to the actual value) and I will not gouge the readers of the blog. I promise to sell the stuff at fair prices and I am only offering this service to help the EE community, not make a huge profit.

Though I am new to (posting on) the blog, I've been a reader for years and a long time follower of the YoutTube channel. In short, I am not a member here just to sell stuff. I buy more than I sell. I hope the people who want this gear and maybe don't have a pile of cash to buy it new, will be able to benefit from the eBay lot.

I replied to the original link, stating I purchased the lot, and will only post items under that link, if approved. In addition, I plan to send in a couple of the items for mailbag and two-minute tear down.

Thank you,

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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2017, 03:00:31 am »
Did you look at the lot? I am certain there's a bunch of stuff people would like or need for their shops. All I would like to do here is get the site admin to give me permission to list the pieces because I am a "newbie" to the forum.

I agree with your "get what you can for them" but not everyone is willing or able to pick them up in NY City. I bought it because its a great vintage gear lot and I am certain they do not belong going to a scrapper or junk dealer.

Hopefully, someone will find a use for the piece I don't keep.

Cheers mate,

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2018, 04:44:54 am »
Posts that are simply links to your eBay ad should be deleted.
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how about ban without warning anybody put a link to his business website on his signature? some people like to create new R&R from intuition  ::)
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2018, 06:14:16 am »
Post made for no good reason will get deleted.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2018, 04:08:04 pm »
understandable... but some members got banned for posting their product and discussing in test equipment section for no apparent reason. do you wish to clarify? it seems there is "hidden" rule that is not written by Dave among moderator(s). if i post my design that is for sale on ebay, will i get banned too?
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2018, 07:12:35 pm »
If someone rocks up as a new user and tries to start selling stuff in any section they will get banned. Usually if an established member shows off something they are selling it will get moved to the buy/sell section.

Buying and selling is for established members only.

For example in a thread discussing reflow ovens a first time poster has just posted a link to an ebay auction. i will delete the post and ban him. The email looks like it was set up just for this account as it is nonsensical.
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2018, 04:21:11 am »
i dont see that kind of regulation anywhere stated in written form here by Dave. and imho its a double standard if newcomers cant discuss their product here, when long time members can. one person (seller) can pretend to become a helpfull member, when satifying post count is reached, then he can sell or promote anything? there are few members here prone to some product sales such as Keysight, Siglent etc but they are welcomed (they should), but for newcomers there is no clear cut, how they are going to know? i think it will be prejudice, as people always said, we cant judge people by its cover. newcomers should get warned and educated if they violated some form of regulation here, not directly get banned without warning. and again most importantly, there is no rules and regulation stating this (newcomers come and selling product) cant be done.  i can understand if member get banned if they annoyed or spam or insult or overly defensive (harsh words) to some other members, but latest occurence (RD Tech), there is no such thing afaik.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2018, 07:35:31 am »
There are no clear rules because it is case by case and the basic ethics should be consistent around the world.

What I usually do is first split the user into the commercial and personal user, then the blatant piss taker and the unaware blunderer.

Commercial users are welcome to support their products but not just dump adverts on the forum unless they have some sort of arrangement with Dave. So RD tech got banned because he just showed up and posted multiple copies of the same add around the forum. The likes of agilent don't do that and they try to support their products and interact with users.

If a personal user just dumps links to ebay in the buy sell section with no further involvement i ban them. If a personal user makes a project that they wish to sell I will be more patient and see if they actually take part and move their project to the buy/sell section.

As always if you have hard and fast rules you soon find that the rules are not adequate. The first thing is to work out the intent of the poster and if they have a genuine interest in the forum.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2018, 11:13:18 pm »
If someone rocks up as a new user and tries to start selling stuff in any section they will get banned.
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Buying and selling is for established members only.
How about free? I'm glad I read this first before posting here.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2018, 07:40:02 am »
If it's free then go ahead. It's just that we have a lot of link dumping, people stick something on ebay and then go round putting links on forums.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2018, 08:38:15 am »
LFS: 8-pin connectors <<< BAD
LFS: Cheap DB9 right angle male solder-in connectors <<< EXCELLENT

Shouldn't these both be bad?  Certainly quoting an incorrect part number is a bad thing. 

It should be a DE9  (DB is the physical shell, normally used for 25 pin connectors, DE is the shell size for 9 pin and VGA style 15 pin)
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2018, 03:49:21 am »
I started topic about importing an an item that I can't get hold of anywhere else apart from one seller in Australia and they won't ship it out.

I only found "Buy / Sell / Wanted rules" after the posting the topic.
Sorry about that.

I couldn't find anything against paying another member to ship things internationally where the seller refuses too but is that okay or is it against the rules?
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2018, 08:40:06 am »
I started topic about importing an an item that I can't get hold of anywhere else apart from one seller in Australia and they won't ship it out.

I only found "Buy / Sell / Wanted rules" after the posting the topic.
Sorry about that.

I couldn't find anything against paying another member to ship things internationally where the seller refuses too but is that okay or is it against the rules?

i can't see anything wrong with that, I'm sure it's been discussed before. Obviously it's an agreement between the members of the forum and the forum itself is no responsible in any way for outcomes
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2018, 08:53:34 am »
It's ok he paid me an unnecessary gratuity I didn't want so I will just spend it on Beer ;D . Goods ordered and underway.

For light weight bits where a seller won't ship internationally buying and addressing an international satchel and sliding it in is easy and Paypal makes the transfer simple and fairly safe. Usual cautions apply if you don't know them caveat emptor and such, MrMobodies and I didn't before today so that has been a positive thing.

For Heavy Test Gear that a buyer is in 'need of' it is an issue to advertise here as some other member is likely to buy it instead of the poster  >:D
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2019, 01:55:11 am »
To moderators: any suggestions on what to do after something has been sold? Should I just delete the post to reduce clutter or change the title to "SOLD" as I've seen on the forum?
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2019, 09:13:43 am »
Just change the subject to Sold like you say. People do not take kindly to having threads they have posted in deleted plus I'm not sure you can delete your thread once it has replies as one user may not delete another users posts.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2019, 11:36:57 am »
What about companies? Like this one: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/kaisertech-10-sale-on-jbc-soldering-esd-static-control-quick-esd-furniture/ .

TBH I'm not impressed with their prices for jbc even with a discount.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2019, 08:16:48 pm »
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Moderator Note: We seem to get many people sign up and only post stuff for sale.

In our forum (hifi-forum.de) we had this problem too.
To prevent our members for fake-sales and to prevent us for seller-only accounts, we got following hurdles implemented:

-Users with at last 6 month of registration AND min 100 posts counted could enter the selling place and post an offer.
-Only non-commercial members are allowed to post an offer.
-The buy/wanted place can be used without having at last 100 posts.

Sure, there were some kind of users, which spam as much as they can to reach the "magical 100" - If we take notice about, they could be banned for the marketplace.
Further some areas of our forum won´t count the posts if written there (e.g. when you talk about football in a hifi-forum, you do it in our general talking area and your post-counter won´t be raised).
Additional, if you post and the last post in this thread was also from you, it won´t be counted too.

And, a really advantage for our moderations work:
Only the threadstarter can post in his buy/sell thread.
Users which were interested to his offer/wanted, can only contact him via email or private message.
No discussions in the thread, which often ends in confusing/dispute.

Threadstartes can modify their posts in 24h, a new post will be possible after 72h to prevent massive push-ups.

After implementing these rules, we got a much "clearer" and more "seriously" marketplace.


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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2019, 08:32:23 pm »
This would require the forum software to be able to do this stuff you suggest. I have no idea if it does.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2019, 08:57:06 pm »
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This would require the forum software to be able to do this stuff

Yepp, our forum software was made by the former webmasters (IT students which sells their forum in 2009) themselfes, no standard codec was used if I could remember it correct.
We (Administrators) could do several modifications per any sub-forum like the mentioned hurdles before.
As I was here for the first time, I was a little bit confused about some things here.
For example after written and send a post in a thread, in our forum you will fall back in the thread you posted - Here you will fall back at the start screen...why, makes no sense.
In our forum, the threadstarter will be always marked in red underline (First the nickname, under this as threadstarter in red) when he posts in his thread, etc.
Our forum Software was oldie (2002) but sometimes goldie….

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2019, 09:04:45 pm »
Well we run on SMF so it is what it is unless there is some plugin that does what you suggest.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #44 on: February 29, 2020, 12:46:39 pm »
Right, thread cleaned up a bit. Sorry Brumley, that was such a shouting match that I lost track of who was trying to make the purchase.

As Simon has chosen to sanitize the discussion from a current WTB thread and it is relevant I am posting here. A member claimed 'rules' which don't exist other than a 'note' that Simon added to post #1 in this thread (shown in Red) above the now Eight year old member written guidelines.

There was no shouting match just an ill informed member claiming 'A Rules Breach' and trying to make a case that there was some sort of breach of a non existent rule. This was pointed out by Simon why the 'note' was added and the member sought to continue as though it was a set in stone Rule.

As it has happened before and will happen again perhaps we need to discuss a more formal set of guidelines for this section or tweak it with more/better explanations.

The current shoot first policy on a whim with only eight year old guidelines perhaps needs to be looked at again or at least fleshed out. It does in the main work fairly well and most live within it without raising a blip but blips do occur as at best they are a bit vague.

There is a few members who push the boundaries a little running commercial interests here and some members who post up some small production specialist projects for sale. The line between these is very close but it remains cloudy at best. This is one area I would like to see clarified.

This thread for example that has resulted in a member ban  :-//  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/huntron-tracker-2800/ There was no bumping from the member or obvious thing done wrong and no explanation given for the ban. I would be interested to know what that member did wrong to deserve a ban?

How this discussion goes forward and if we need some more formal rules I throw open for comment from others or does it need to be put in a separate thread :)
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #45 on: February 29, 2020, 12:59:30 pm »
The majority of posts are about selling and clearly there is a potential for people to abuse this in particular people registering for the sole purpose of selling. As is made clear already people may not conduct commercial selling on here only their personal stuff unless by prior agreement. I don't see the problem here. We did have a lot of people try to rock up and sell large quantities of PC parts as a commercial thing. That is what the rules are about.

You can of course ask about something you are interested in buying and although this seldom is required people are welcome to do so. there are no specific rules about this as there is nothing to abuse. Making more rules will not stop people from jumping up and down waving around a clearly misinterpreted rule. The more rules you have the more misinterpretation you can have.

We don't really have a problem in this section any more. I think the recent discussion that started to eclipse the original topics intent was just a case of someone wanting an argument that can happen over this section or any other aspect of the forum.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #46 on: February 29, 2020, 01:27:12 pm »
I fail to see how having more rules leads to misinterpretation  :-// The only way that is possible is if the rule either makes no sense or is poorly written or worse written for no reason. Currently we have what I would call a set of guidelines written by one member a long while ago in Internet time. I see some shortcomings in them and they are due for a refresh and some input and then a separate sticky from either you or Dave. While you as a Moderator don't see the need to rules or more fleshed out guidelines the general membership then has to rely what?

In the thread I linked in my previous post I can see nothing was done wrong unless there is something unseen or deleted? The member had made a few other posts around the forum and there is nothing obviously wrong in that thread and yet he was banned?

The bulk deletion from that WTB thread is not the reason I raise this but it is the reason why the deletion and moderation was needed. It came from someone reading into a 'note' what they wanted it to say and not what the intent was.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #47 on: February 29, 2020, 01:48:53 pm »


The bulk deletion from that WTB thread is not the reason I raise this but it is the reason why the deletion and moderation was needed. It came from someone reading into a 'note' what they wanted it to say and not what the intent was.

Correct. So what do you suggest rules wise? This is the first time in a long time we have ever had to worry about this. Any rules required so far have been to spell out the obvious to people who come here hoping to use it as a no fees ebay site to sell their stuff. There will always be things we have not thought of before and we hope people operate on common sense.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #48 on: February 29, 2020, 11:53:37 pm »
As you seem to not want to answer the direct question about the now banned member in the thread I linked you seem happy with a lack of them so you can act as you see fit? That member as far as I can tell did nothing wrong and as a fairly new member to the forum had made some posts in various other topics and yet you banned him seemingly without cause?

As to a basic set of rules and guidelines just a few random thoughts below.

No For Sale listings by members with less than X posts. In the past on other forums 5-10 posts was 'normal'. This can be done by a member permission/group in SMF or just put up as a rule and left to be moderated if needed. This generally puts paid to drive by spammers or opportunists. Also perhaps some leeway for members of more than a few months with minimal postings ?

Adds must contain a Guide Price either Sale or a Price Range in the case of WTB. It doesn't mean the seller won't take an offer but this isn't a blind Auction site.

Titles - Post #1 sort of covers that in Location and basic information

Adds when sold should have their title amended with a SOLD when finalised. This is only a nicety but it saves threads resurfacing with a "is this still for sale" post months later.

Obvious Commercial/Ebay linked threads accounts only by approval of Dave or perhaps some leeway for long term members?

Just a few ideas of a basic set of rules/guidelines to start it off.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2020, 07:41:47 am »
I have not banned anyone regarding that thread so I have no idea what you are talking about or who you are talking about. I can't make changes to SMF, that is for Dave. You seem to be trying to pin down problems that are not there. If people want a more serious system as you suggest with all these features then I can suggest ebay!
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2020, 08:11:33 am »
I have not banned anyone regarding that thread so I have no idea what you are talking about or who you are talking about.

Really, this one:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/huntron-tracker-2800/
A guy with 9 posts all of which seem nice and polite yet he's banned ?  :-//

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2020, 08:14:03 am »
early poster trying to sell stuff, clearly against what rules we do have. If anyone wants to explain I am happy to listen.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2020, 08:15:22 am »
I've banned him.

 :-// Seems fairly clear who banned them?

This is one of the issues as seemingly nothing was done to warrant sanction and the members have a reasonable right to know so they can avoid being Banned themselves for reasons unknown. With an appropriate set of guidelines/rules at least it could be referred to by the members.

Very recently a member with a commercial business in this section deleted their thread of only a few days ago that had no replies only to immediately repost it to bump it back up the page. There is currently nothing 'wrong' with it but this sort of thing deserves to be avoided.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2020, 08:19:16 am »
early poster trying to sell stuff, clearly against what rules we do have. If anyone wants to explain I am happy to listen.

Where does that RULE exist? The member had made a few posts prior to opening their thread and then got shot without any warning or PM. This is heavy handed if that is your only justification. Was there a PM sent, was there a warning in the thread? No the member was shot first and no option was given.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2020, 08:21:43 am »
So yau start talking about one thread that was recent and then allude to another, what do you think I am beanflying bloody clairvoyant? Look if you have a problem make clear what that is, I don't do telepathy. If you think you have a better way of doing it then work it all out and then come and tell us.

His location information was not clear and he did not answer the questions. As the introduction to the section says it is for long standing members. This guy rocked up and had something to sell with dubious location information, that is against the rules!

As for any other perceived iregularities unless we are told we are non the wiser. This stuff is hard to police. The alternative to achieve perfection is to not have a buy/sell section.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2020, 08:27:21 am »
Very recently a member with a commercial business in this section deleted their thread of only a few days ago that had no replies only to immediately repost it to bump it back up the page. There is currently nothing 'wrong' with it but this sort of thing deserves to be avoided.
Why should we have a problem with someone bumping their Buy/Sell/WTB thread ?  :-//

None of us use the forum in the same way or even visit the Buy/Sell/WTB board very often as I might only go there when I spot something posted there on the main forum page.
However, there was some apparent interest in what the guy offered but it didn't eventuate in a sale so the guy dropped the price and in doing so bumped it. Seen exactly this many times in the Buy/Sell/WTB board.

Yeah we need some very clear rules.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2020, 08:56:30 am »
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Yeah we need some very clear rules.

Like this for example:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/buy-sell-wanted-rules/msg2374884/#msg2374884


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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #57 on: March 01, 2020, 09:22:43 am »
My interpretation of the rules was that the Buy/Sell/Wanted section is somewhat reserved for those who contribute to the forum, giving advice and assistance to other members qualifies as a contribution and inturn permits usage of the B/S/W section.

The member in question had nine posts, four of which were asking for advice and the other five in relation to an item for sale, the moderators stated they took action based on a questionable location or IP address, not necessarily the members prior posts.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #58 on: March 01, 2020, 09:29:34 am »
My interpretation of the rules was that the Buy/Sell/Wanted section is somewhat reserved for those who contribute to the forum, giving advice and assistance to other members qualifies as a contribution and inturn permits usage of the B/S/W section.

The member in question had nine posts, four of which were asking for advice and the other five in relation to an item for sale, the moderators stated they took action based on a questionable location or IP address, not necessarily the members prior posts.

If beanflying wants to go buying from dodgy characters i would just let him go right ahead.
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #59 on: March 01, 2020, 10:02:08 am »
I've backed away from my request and have bought one off eBay.


Hopefully from a not too dodgy character (feedback is 100% with other tech sales, so we'll see).
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2020, 10:07:07 am »
what request?
 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2020, 10:46:34 am »
My 'WTB' post.  (Maybe "request" wasn't the best word.)

Nothing requiring any action by anyone here.  Apologies if I caused any confusion.

 

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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2020, 11:18:22 am »
My interpretation of the rules was that the Buy/Sell/Wanted section is somewhat reserved for those who contribute to the forum, giving advice and assistance to other members qualifies as a contribution and inturn permits usage of the B/S/W section.

The member in question had nine posts, four of which were asking for advice and the other five in relation to an item for sale, the moderators stated they took action based on a questionable location or IP address, not necessarily the members prior posts.

If beanflying wants to go buying from dodgy characters i would just let him go right ahead.
Hardly the sort of reply we might expect from a moderator Simon.
Muttley makes a valid observation and you bring beanflying into the discussion.  :-//

Rightly or wrongly your actions have been questioned whether you like it or not and I'm not the only one confused by the methods you sometimes moderate here.
I can say you've treated me fairly however of other members I know whom have been banned I'm not so sure.

Criticism should not be seen a personal attack but instead concern of experienced members that other members may well have been unnecessary banned as a result of a willingness to press the ban trigger instead of delving deeper.
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Re: Buy / Sell / Wanted rules
« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2020, 10:48:23 pm »
So yau start talking about one thread that was recent and then allude to another, what do you think I am beanflying bloody clairvoyant? Look if you have a problem make clear what that is, I don't do telepathy. If you think you have a better way of doing it then work it all out and then come and tell us.

His location information was not clear and he did not answer the questions. As the introduction to the section says it is for long standing members. This guy rocked up and had something to sell with dubious location information, that is against the rules!

As for any other perceived iregularities unless we are told we are non the wiser. This stuff is hard to police. The alternative to achieve perfection is to not have a buy/sell section.

Simon I very clearly linked the thread and the ban imposed in it in the opening post. If you chose to gloss over my post and not read it let alone try to follow what was written then there is nothing I can do about your issue!

In this day and age of fairly widespread VPN usage dubious IP addresses abound and the correlation from actual user location to apparent is not to be relied on. I was for example block banning IP ranges on an SMF forum I was managing but I have removed them as they had become largely ineffective with the rise of cheap VPN's.

I see NO mention of "long standing members" anywhere in the opening post of this topic but feel free to point me to where it is?

You have seemingly used assumption and no attempt to contact that member via PM or Email to summarily execute them on grounds of 'suspicion'. A simple check of their other posts would go toward their bona fides  and if there was maybe a threat of a fraudulent sale then lock or remove the thread maybe at worst? If your reasoning of 'suspicion' is used then every member using a VPN should be afraid of a ban and yet we allow serial thread starters from Antarctica to exist :-//

Without some basic rules to follow members apparently are taking a risk of being banned on a whim.
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