Donate Oscilloscope Please

[Cameron Kover]

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[Cside]

Ask dave he hoards all kinds of equipment

That cost a fortune to ship overseas.
Often cheaper for me to just buy them a scope locally on ebay and have it shipped locally.

The old "too expensive to ship" trick.

[Shock]

The old "too expensive to ship" trick.

In Australia it is and the postal service are still whinging.

[AlfBaz]

It costs less to ship something from the states to Sydney than it does to ship something from Sydney to Melbourne and the fuckers are still going broke

[SeanB]

You are not alone. In South Africa your postal prices look cheap, and even taking the exchange rate into consideration sending stuff international to Australia is cheaper by quite a bit than sending stuff from Aus to ZA. $70 per kilo is a typical cost. Small letter ( basically under 200g) costs $20. Why do you think I send Dave the smallest antistatic bag I had, it was both light and made good protection, plus he could use it ( like I have often) as a camping blanket.

[free_electron]

i found something usable in the 'pile' i'll see if it works fully tonite. i also found a power supply.

[Fred27]

Whilst I appreciate the generosity of some of you guys, the first question I'd ask is "why do you need a 'scope"? I've been playing around with electronics for years (mostly digital / microcontroller stuff admittedly) and only just found myself in a position where I could justify buying a scope. Even then it was more want than need.

Cameron - are you working on something and have got to the point where you've said to yourself "Damn! I really can't go any further with this without knowing exactly how the voltage is varying over time?" If so, let us know what. Multimeters, LEDs, cheap Chinese knock-off logic analysers can usually get you a long way. Sheer stubbornness and just trying stuff too.

[LabSpokane]

I have no issue with a young person having an o-scope. The issue is "free."  We value what we sacrifice to obtain. It doesn't have to be money, but it should be something.

[Shock]

I have no issue with a young person having an o-scope. The issue is "free."  We value what we sacrifice to obtain. It doesn't have to be money, but it should be something.

First born?

Here is your new oscilloscope Cameron, cheap shipping as well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/391078601096

[Cameron Kover]

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[Cameron Kover]

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[LabSpokane]

Cameron,

No one asked you for money.  Nor did I ask you for justiification.

Compensation could have come in the simple form of doing another good turn for someone and passing the good deed forward. Society helps you, and in turn, you kick into the hat. I wouldn't care if it was as simple as mowing an elderly person's lawn for the summer. If you're an urban dweller, it could have been working the cafeteria line at a homeless shelter. Instead, you have not received  instant gratification and have subsequently thrown a fit.

And honestly, if you are truly hard up for scratch, the first thing you should do for yourself and your mother is to rectify that situation. That is where you spend your energy, not doing electronics projects.

Priorities, my friend.

[miguelvp]

Give the guy a break, he is going to school, working to make ends meet and he deserves downtime specially in something that could be his career goal.

He is full of good karma in my book and has paid his deeds forward and I'm sure he will keep doing that.

He doesn't need to explain more than he already has, specially to someone that for what I can tell is not going to give him more than their own perspective of morality.

[pickle9000]

Give the guy a break, he is going to school, working to make ends meet and he deserves downtime specially in something that could be his career goal.

He is full of good karma in my book and has paid his deeds forward and I'm sure he will keep doing that.

He doesn't need to explain more than he already has, specially to someone that for what I can tell is not going to give him more than their own perspective of morality.

Well said.

[Shock]

Nothing wrong with what LabSpokane said. Learning how to overcome obstacles, especially financial ones (other than through dishonesty, relying on charity etc) especially at 15, is one of the most important concepts that you could pass on to someone.

[miguelvp]

As far as I know he probably can school us on overcoming obstacles, do not assume anything.

Don't know many at his age having to do that. 50 years ago it was common to bring your paycheck to help out, but not so much these days.

I did it, my parents did as well but not my kids, they where fortunate enough to keep all the money they earn on the side.

[Shock]

I had to do it also, watched most of what I earned even as a student go into the kitty, literally as we owned a cat as well.

[miguelvp]

But at least we got to keep some of it, doesn't seem to be the case here.
And of course is not that bad, Many others have it worse and I get that, but he seem to be learning his life lessons just fine like we all did without others telling us how to.

[Ice-Tea]

And honestly, if you are truly hard up for scratch, the first thing you should do for yourself and your mother is to rectify that situation. That is where you spend your energy, not doing electronics projects.

Priorities, my friend.

Dude works and brings home his paycheck.  Seems like his priorities are in working order. Aside from that,  he wants to tinker with electronics instead of laying in the couch. Doing so,  he will learn more about electronics than he ever will at any school.  All ok iny book.

And if you can not imagine being in a place where you can't see having 100$ to spare in the foreseeable future regardless of how much effort you put into it,  perhaps you should abstain from comments.

[Cside]

This is all I make in 2 weeks! I don't have money to be buying scopes on ebay, everytime I find one on there the bid goes way past 100$. I'm not going to write a book explaining why I need a scope, what the hell else would I use a scope for? When you go to the store and buy food would you like someone to say ''What are you going to do with that''? Another thing is, is that at least I'm trying to make money, I hate asking/begging for stuff but I have no luck on ebay. This is a picture of my pay stub. So just go ahead and forget about the scope.

Stop whining you are making more money than me.

[Fred27]

I'm not going to write a book explaining why I need a scope, what the hell else would I use a scope for?

Nobody is asking you to write a book, but if you join a website and immediately start asking for free stuff it seems reasonable to explain why you think you need it. Maybe you need one. Maybe you've just connected a lightbulb to a battery and someone told you that a oscilloscope is the cool tool you need for doing electronics. I've no idea.

No - you don't have to say why you think you need one. But I also don't have to send you one.

When you go to the store and buy food would you like someone to say ''What are you going to do with that''?

Right now you sound like some whiny kid who really, really, really wants ice cream. Go eat your vegatables.

[Zucca]

Interesting to see how differently people reacts when someone asks for help... 

[Pasky]

What ever happened to saving up what you make to pay for something yourself?   

[robrenz]

I had a job since I was 12. Helped to pay the mortgage on the house we lived in. When then the house was sold I got my share back and bought my Bridgeport mill at 17, still have it 45 years later.

[HighVoltage]

Times have changed dramatically and we can not really compare 1:1.

When I grew up, nobody had any spare instruments at all and everything I wanted or needed, I had to earn through work and service I performed for other people.  Today, so many people have extra components, tools and even test instruments and it is kind of easier to give something away.

But, I do not know, if it is the right thing for the person receiving it. For some might, but not for all. Earning something yourself is very special and should not be underestimated. I have lots of good experiences by giving something away. But many years ago, I sent a free oscilloscope to a guy who needed one badly and the first reaction I got when he received it was: "I am disappointed, it has no connection to a PC". So, it is not so straight forward.