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Ebay Gem
« on: January 25, 2016, 10:16:31 am »
Ebay scope of the day:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LeCroy-Wavemaster-Digital-Oscilloscope-was-Broken-1-/111877989911

"*was* broken"? - Looks ok to me.

"I do not know if it works properly or not." - yeah, hard to tell.

 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2016, 10:19:54 am »
That is a steal for 550 bucks, shouldn't  bust the bank    :-DD

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2016, 10:20:32 am »
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2016, 10:21:24 am »
 :wtf:
That'd make you cry if it was yours.  :rant:
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2016, 10:23:20 am »
Did Dave went hiking?
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2016, 10:26:20 am »
And 20GS/s  :'(
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2016, 10:33:55 am »
Who else is curious to know what is the story behind such destruction?

OTOH, in both they seem to have removed the knobs (probably to sell on eBay as spares). I wonder what else they've stripped from these, specially from inside them.
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2016, 10:36:13 am »
That they ended up like that is bad enough - but the money asked is crazy.
 

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2016, 11:25:22 am »
It would appear that taking stuff apart may in fact be a frustrating task for some......  :-BROKE :-// :wtf: >:D :-BROKE :-BROKE

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2016, 12:01:09 pm »
It would appear that taking stuff apart may in fact be a frustrating task for some......  :-BROKE :-// :wtf: >:D :-BROKE :-BROKE

Or maybe he spent years designing and simulating a circuit, but when it was time to have the first prototype working, things didn't go as planned, and he did the sensible thing to do: blame it on the scope.

Maybe I should just print these pics and stick them to my scope. It'll know what will happen to it if it ever gives me the readings that aren't what I expect.
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Re: Ebay Gem
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2016, 12:24:51 pm »
My guess is they were faulty or surplus in the warehouse and someone dropped the pallet. Really a testament to those potentiometer shafts though.
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2016, 12:29:48 pm »
This similar model looks a bit better!

http://www.evansclarke.com.au/detail.asp?id=965242&catid=12&sortpref=

Your second post again promoting this particular auction site may be frowned upon by some including those above.
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2016, 12:34:34 pm »
This similar model looks a bit better!
http://www.evansclarke.com.au/detail.asp?id=965242&catid=12&sortpref=

Please state that you represent this auction site, as per your previous post.
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2016, 02:16:11 pm »
Hmmm... if I had time on my hands I might put in an offer for the second scope. It wouldn't be the first time I bought a scope with a smashed screen and some damage to the casing. A new TFT panel and some (retro look) shiny aluminium knobs will make it look a lot better >:D
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2016, 03:52:38 pm »
Thats what happens when using UPS & just shipping label ;)
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2016, 06:14:58 pm »
"Thank you.

God bless you."  :-DD
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2016, 10:02:05 pm »
I'd bet that the second one you posted Dave, could be fixed up.
as long as the input hardware of a lecroy scope is fine, most of it can be replaced with other stuff if you can acquire the drivers (being PC based)

Pity the first one's bottom board looks destroyed...


EDIT:

PLEASE buy the second one Dave, It would make a great teardown video... maybe see if you can resurrect parts of it even? It could prove interesting. Worst case, put it back on Ebay again.
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2016, 11:07:17 pm »
Who else is curious to know what is the story behind such destruction?
Fell off the back of a truck  :-DD
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2016, 11:11:21 pm »
Who else is curious to know what is the story behind such destruction?
Fell off the back of a truck :-DD
That normally implies it will be free, these aren't but should be.  :o
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2016, 12:27:46 am »
Who else is curious to know what is the story behind such destruction?
Fell off the back of a truck  :-DD

How fast was the truck going at the time?   :o

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2016, 12:49:24 am »
Who else is curious to know what is the story behind such destruction?
Fell off the back of a truck  :-DD

How fast was the truck going at the time?   :o

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5 mph ..... backwards.

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2016, 01:17:19 am »
Serial offender perhaps...... :popcorn:

 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2016, 01:19:16 am »
Did anyone else notice in the second photo there is a pixelated patch? It looks like there was an asset label or something that they couldn't be arsed removing, so they pixelated it so you can't tell where they are from. Probably a dumpster dive, not sure if they are motivated or smart enough to strip for parts if they can't even remove a sticker :P
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2016, 02:31:57 am »
I see they want $400 (AU $566) for a corroded, broken turbomolecular pump, too - I see at least one broken blade (void from missing blade visible at about 3:00 in the second pic, and what I'm guessing is the broken off bit is seen slightly to the left of and below the center of the third photo).  At the very least it will need a new rotor and stator.   ::)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Varian-TV-300HT-Macro-Torr-Pump-was-Broken-/291668572472?hash=item43e8cd3938:g:0N0AAOSw~gRVtWDs

Good stuff there!   :-DD

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2016, 06:08:06 am »
I passed on a Tek TDS7104 with a smashed screen and case for $105aud.  It looked like it had been dropped square on its face and someone had stomped on the top of it. Surely this was a dumpster dive that was then resold 
 

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2016, 07:18:00 am »
My guess is they were faulty or surplus in the warehouse and someone dropped the pallet. Really a testament to those potentiometer shafts though.

That reminds me of a silly temporary job I had a few years back.
I had to re-program a bunch of Dishwashers--there were different programs for each country,& this lot had slipped past with the wrong one.

Halfway through the 1000 or so,I found that I'd left a screw out of one of the last 15,& was a bit concerned.
Just then,I heard an almighty crash----the bloke on the forklift had knocked a stack over,mangling the ones I'd just completed,so I never had to "own up" to the missing screw!
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2016, 07:38:07 am »
This similar model looks a bit better!
http://www.evansclarke.com.au/detail.asp?id=965242&catid=12&sortpref=

Please state that you represent this auction site, as per your previous post.

Apologies - my second only post. I was distracted by the irony of a very similar device in the sale at that point in time. BTW my interest and motivation in taking the time to post in the first place is in communicating awareness and opportunity to people who I would think would appreciate to know rather than not. There is no real worthwhile pecuniary interest on our part - I don't own the stuff (the Government does) - main motivation is I just see so much wastage and lost opportunity for people who have no way of otherwise knowing about what is very obscure and the cost of letting the market know is not justified or paid for by vendors. A forum such as this is an effective conduit for that purpose. I am aware other agent(s) leave spectrum analysers etc crammed in pallets out in the weather in a paddock shared with cars and trucks for sale.

BTW I have seen authorities smash oscilloscopes with mallets because they had a "data" button on the front panel. Maybe that happened here? (joking).

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2016, 10:00:31 am »
There is no real worthwhile pecuniary interest on our part - I don't own the stuff (the Government does) - main motivation is I just see so much wastage and lost opportunity for people who have no way of otherwise knowing about what is very obscure and the cost of letting the market know is not justified or paid for by vendors. A forum such as this is an effective conduit for that purpose.

It is indeed. You are most welcome to post your auctions here that have test gear or other related stuff.
Shame they seem to be pickup only?

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I am aware other agent(s) leave spectrum analysers etc crammed in pallets out in the weather in a paddock shared with cars and trucks for sale.

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2016, 10:03:00 am »
PLEASE buy the second one Dave, It would make a great teardown video... maybe see if you can resurrect parts of it even? It could prove interesting. Worst case, put it back on Ebay again.

Not at AU$1050
The ad income from the video + the pittance I'd get on ebay won't pay that back, not even close.
Even if I got it for free, it's still AU$340 postage
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2016, 10:34:11 am »
PLEASE buy the second one Dave, It would make a great teardown video... maybe see if you can resurrect parts of it even? It could prove interesting. Worst case, put it back on Ebay again.

Not at AU$1050
The ad income from the video + the pittance I'd get on ebay won't pay that back, not even close.
Even if I got it for free, it's still AU$340 postage

Teardown videos are better when "pouring" is not involved.
 

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« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2016, 08:21:03 pm »
Hey look. A lecroy in my preferred state.
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2016, 10:51:34 pm »
Well he even states: "God Bless You".
Maybe he expects someone to purchase it out of pity...

Anyway, it seems it hosts a micro atx board inside, thus maybe there's an hard disk.
With a "bit" of luck you could ferret some infos out of samsung from one of those...

Fat chance...
 
 

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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2016, 06:33:43 am »
Anyway, it seems it hosts a micro atx board inside, thus maybe there's an hard disk.

These scopes come with a standard ATX intel mainboard. They are still supported by LeCroy and parts are still available.

But frankly, I'd probably not even take them for free. The first one (WaveMaster) is pretty much not repairable as the large dent in the front bottom edge means that its front end section will have been smashed. The second one (WavePro) will most certainly have a cracked mainboard (which is pretty cheap to replace, though, those intel boards often go for a few bucks), and the large slit on the side very likely means that a lot of the internals (i.e. display controller board, the 4port gbit ethernet controller that connects the acquisition modules to the PCI bus, the DVO adapter) will have been smashed as well.

It also looks that both scopes have been opened (probably before getting smashed) and parts removed, so they might not even contain all the parts (and the four 10GSa/s ADC modules are painfully expensive to replace if missing!). From the photos it also looks like they have spend some time exposed to the elements (i.e. rain) as I'm sure I can see beginning corrosion. I'd say it's highly unlikely that they have been in working condition before getting smashed, these are most certainly dumpster diving finds.
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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2016, 09:52:38 am »
I wonder if they rattle when you shake them!?
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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2016, 09:58:01 am »
Hey look. A lecroy in my preferred state.

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2016, 11:40:57 am »
 :wtf:

These scopes come with a standard ATX intel mainboard [...]
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That's some remote analysis...
Amazing!

Well, the korean sir did all the tear-it-apart stuff beforehand...  :palm:

Fanboy wrath coming your way  ;D

Well, instruments in the thousands $ range used as a spare tyre are an offence to science, and to hard earned money...  :'(
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2016, 01:18:56 pm »
Hey look. A lecroy in my preferred state.

We know you don't mean that. No test equipment should ever be treated like this.
 

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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2016, 01:31:49 pm »
Hey look. A lecroy in my preferred state.

We know you don't mean that. No test equipment should ever be treated like this.

You've never felt like throwing some piece of temperamental test gear out the window?
 

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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2016, 02:33:41 pm »
...I'd say it's highly unlikely that they have been in working condition before getting smashed, these are most certainly dumpster diving finds.
Dumpster finds for sure, but I would wager that they were in perfect working condition before whatever military that owned them decided to percussively decommission them.
 

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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2016, 03:22:00 pm »
Did anyone else notice in the second photo there is a pixelated patch? It looks like there was an asset label or something that they couldn't be arsed removing, so they pixelated it so you can't tell where they are from. Probably a dumpster dive, not sure if they are motivated or smart enough to strip for parts if they can't even remove a sticker :P

They probably dropped it whilst legging it from the rossers.....
 

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Re: Ebay Gem
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2016, 03:43:49 pm »
Hey look. A lecroy in my preferred state.

We know you don't mean that. No test equipment should ever be treated like this.
You've never felt like throwing some piece of temperamental test gear out the window?
I have!
My most recent mobile phone did receive a flying lesson BTW!
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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2016, 07:13:24 pm »
Fell off the back of a truck perhaps? ;-)
 

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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2016, 07:47:25 pm »
Fell off the back of a truck perhaps? ;-)
No, it didn't work when I needed it. Fortunately it didn't damage the floor when I threw it. Needless to say the phone looked just like the scopes in the first post  >:D I decided not to buy a new mobile phone because paying 200 euro for making 4 phone calls in 3 years is rather expensive.
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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2016, 05:42:29 pm »
Trying to decide if thrown into a dumpster, or a forklift ran into the pallet they were stored on.
Some of those dents in the side are about right for a small forklift tyne.
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