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General => Buy/Sell/Wanted => Topic started by: mianchen on July 08, 2012, 12:13:30 pm
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My original post:
eBay auction: #170870093466 sold £102
eBay auction: #170871894127 sold £108
eBay auction: #170871894165
eBay auction: #170872373607
The seller has no feedback at all...
The Scammers' IDs:
myths2692147
aluminiumstick
pharmurlife
It is officially a scam. I received an email today from ebay from the Loss Prevention Department stating that the auction I bid on, but didn't win, should be avoided.
Well, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
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Probably, and from Hong Kong. Not worth the risk, there are so many Fluke 87V for sale on eBay from reputable people.
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Well, I tried to bid on 2 different auctions from the same seller, but was outbid at the last second. So we will see if I missed out on a great deal or saved from getting ripped off.
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FYI I bought one of these! Not very hopefully though of getting it? I have spoken to a few resellers and they advised that they go for around $300 wholesale! I’ll give it another week or so before taking it up with PayPal. If any of the other buy have go theirs I would love to know. And if I do get mine I will let you know. I will also open it up and check the Rev number and take some images as well. Buyer beware I guess fingers crossed! :-\
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lol, seller information.... aluminiumstick ( 0 )
No sales at all.
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>:( yeah I know more like f""kstick. I should be able to get a refund through PayPal I believe. F""kstick has another week! Then I'll ask to reverse it. Still would like to know if anyone else has received ther unit from this seller yet?
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FYI I bought one of these!
Arrggh, you probably beat me in one of the bids! ;)
I buy stuff from Asian ebay sellers and normally have to wait up to 6 weeks before getting stuff. I don't know if paypal will do anything until that timeframe as passed?
Yes, you can get a Fluke 87V for $150 used with patience, but many USA sellers won't ship internationally or if they do, they charge at least $35 for shipping. I can see why a NIB Fluke 87V with free shipping can be attractive to non USA customers.
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Hope your right! The seller stated that the unit was brand new. From the pictures of the box it comes in its the new version. The older units (1-2 years old) have the cardboard egg shell type. Don't be to disappointed, two sides of the coin you could have dodged a bullet and I have been ripped off! As mentioned I will let you know the out come and post images if it does arrive :P
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PayPal are very good at reversing payments, especially if there's no tracking number and 0 feedback... I wouldn't worry, contact the seller for a tracking number and see what he has to say :D
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I suspect they are original or high copy, check with the supplier
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I spoke to the seller and asked for the postage info when I first paid. It took 3 days for the seller to post it and the only feedback I got after a number of messages was the followin ""You only paid for free shipping and free shipping is without online tracking number. Anyway, I shipped out the item on yesterday. Estimated delivery: Within 13-25 working days. Thanks"" I purchase from dealextreme and they seem to have no issues supplying information with free shipping lets just say I am hoping to be pleasantly surprise but not holding my breath. Thank I appreciate the advice and feedback. :)
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I spoke to the seller and asked for the postage info when I first paid. It took 3 days for the seller to post it and the only feedback I got after a number of messages was the followin ""You only paid for free shipping and free shipping is without online tracking number. Anyway, I shipped out the item on yesterday. Estimated delivery: Within 13-25 working days. Thanks"" I purchase from dealextreme and they seem to have no issues supplying information with free shipping lets just say I am hoping to be pleasantly surprise but not holding my breath. Thank I appreciate the advice and feedback. :)
Hope you get it soon....still sounds too good to be true to me. Fluke 87V retail price is in the mid RMB2000 range ($400+, £200+) in China's Taobao (http://s.taobao.com/search?q=fluke+87&commend=all&ssid=s5-e&search_type=item&sourceId=tb.index&initiative_id=tbindexz_20120721) website (a Chinese eBay equivalent), but you never know, you might get lucky
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And quite a lot of money here in my country >:(
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My experience says, If it sounds to good to be true, then it is a scam or counterfit.
EVERYTHING you can buy has a counterfeit knock-off.....
Always buy from a reputable dealer, if there is a problem you will have some sort of recourse.
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There was a scam i saw the other day where a company/person would offer cheap iPads.
They would actually ship the first 20 units, and they were 100% legit.
After that point the word-of-mouth had made huge numbers of orders start coming in, so they stop shipping, kept the money and disappeared after 2-3 weeks of new orders.
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Nothing as yet in the mail. I will wait for the end of the month and then take it up with PayPal. I'm in Australia and have bought from China and Hong Kong on many occasions. never more than a 14 day wait. Seller advised me that they posted the unit on the 12th of this month. As mentioned I will ensure I inform the forum of the final outcome.... Not looking good though. Have to agree though two things my father said to me if it sounds too good to be true then it is too good to be true, other you don't have to have a long neck to be a goose. Should have listened!! ::)
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It's either a scam, stolen, or counterfeit. You'll be lucky to pay less than US$300 + shipping for a NIB genuine Fluke 87-V. Used meters in good condition close at US$225-280 on eBay; even beat up field meters sell for around the US$200 ballpark.
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So I disputed the transaction with PayPal and it took less than a day for aluminiumstick better known as Chan Wing Yan to issue a refund. I should get the refund back in the next 30 days apparently as advised from PayPal. So a few notes...... Don't buy from aluminiumstick or another seller called pharmurlife. Both have been selling Fluke 87's with no reserve from Hon Kong. I got stung for what I through was a great deal you've been warned now don't fall for the same trick.
Now for a few questions. Why would they do this? Just to give the money back after 3 weeks.... Is my bank account under treat do they have another motive for this scam ???? Just don't understand why they would bother. Will I have trouble getting the money back. Can they just tell PayPal they are refunding and not sending the money? Any advice is most welcome and or experiences. Thanks
P.s. once I get the money I will smash his feedback. I wonder why no one else hasn't ? >:(
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14 days? they always take more then 14 days... oh please
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Well, if it does arrive, it would be interesting to see if it is the genuine article. I can't see how anyone can make much money out of this unless they are somehow scamming eBay/PayPal by withdrawing the money quickly and cutting off ties...
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Hi,
I have no idea if the seller is a phony as in "will not deliver anything, take the money and run", but my feeling is that you are in panic with no good reason regarding the transaction itself.
First, when purchasing from China / HK vendors, you must be patient. I have many transactions that went very well, from vendors I would buy again, either on eBay or aliexpress, that would have gone sour if I started to go crazy like you did after 24 days.
Most of the time, shipping is erratic from these places, especially with free shipping. Just look at china post stats (tables displayed in many ebay auctions). They tell you that 24 days is not that uncommon.
You can recognize good (in my book) vendors by their reaction when shipping goes bad. Just this morning, I had a vendor issue me a full Paypal refund because after waiting for 30 days I still haven't received my product. The refund was his call in that case, and I gave him a very good review for that. Of course, that's with free shipping and no tracking using China Post. All smoothly. No eBay dispute or anything like that. And this is how it happens _most_ of the time, those vendors usually know what's good for them, the system is not very kind to shabby sellers. And you know what, I will probably receive the item anyway, maybe in a couple of weeks, maybe more. That happened to me before, several times. Only one in tens of purchases from eBay/AliExpress did not eventually make it to my home, and apart than this one, everytime I got a refund after running out of patience, I eventually received the parcel.
Regarding the seller answer about free shipping and no tracking, this is just standard practice for those direct from China/HK deals! And it also means that, on eBay, _they_ (the sellers) are taking the risks just so _we_ can get interesting deals. However, _we_ need to accept the China Post hickups. Again, I do not understand why you frown upon this. I mean, you are buying something real cheap, with free shipping, probably even so cheap that you know there is a 90% chance your are buying something stolen or counterfeit, but you seem to do so like if you were doing business with Element14 or Mouser, not really adapting to the rules of that very different game...
Chill out, just my 2c.
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So just to qualify I do buy from china very frequently, mainly Dealextreme. As I am in AUS most things take around 14 days. I recently have purchased some LM7805's from Hong Kong as well as MOC 3021 all purchased through eBay. Both sellers ask the buyers to contact them if you haven't received the parcel within 14-20 days if you are in Australia.
I wasn't being impatient, I was as some mentioned worried If was buying a stolen or scammed product. I placed one bid and was never expecting to win at that price. I was being proactive by contacting PayPal and opening a line of communication with the seller. To my surprise I was given a refund straight away by the seller. I never asked for this! In the end I was right to do so as it is a scam and the sooner I take it up with eBay the better. Before you judge me tell me you wouldn't take a fluke 87 V for $150 if you bid and won on eBay? Please don't take the moral high ground on this either.
Just thought I would give some feedback as the question was asked byMianchen I believe in the first place. Didn't really post to be judged just to inform? I learnt another lesson I suppose. I will leave it to you to discuss by yourselves.
P.S. tramjoe I think you missed the whole point of the posts.
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Well then, how did you know it's a SCAM?
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P.S. tramjoe I think you missed the whole point of the posts.
Probably.
Sorry for being judgmental then, I guess. My point was not to be so, but merely to express my reaction after reading the thread in all honesty and stress a couple of points that I thought could be of use - but it seems I was wrong in that.
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Don't buy from aluminiumstick or another seller called pharmurlife.
I also noticed that pharmurlife was also selling Fluke 87Vs at the same time as aluminiumstick. The first feedback for pharmurlife was just posted earlier today. It wasn't a Fluke 87V that was sold, but see
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=pharmurlife&ftab=AllFeedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=pharmurlife&ftab=AllFeedback)
!!!- "WARNING" - !!! TO ALL EBAY BUYERS THIS SELLER "RIPPING PEOPLE OFF" WARNING
$142.50 on a Western Digital My Book Essential 3 TB.
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2nd negative for pharmurlife. Looks like a scam for potentially the other seller too.
SELLER IS A FRAUD... EBAY REFUNDED FULL AMOUNT... SELLER IS A FRAUD
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EVERYTHING you can buy has a counterfeit knock-off.....
I have yet to see a real Fluke 87 rip-off.
i.e. that looks and feels like the real thing
Dave.
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Ahem?
EEVblog #293 - Fluke Multimeter Birthday Cake (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgE_luQ8SVY#ws)
;)
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It is officially a scam. I received an email today from ebay from the Loss Prevention Department stating that the auction I bid on, but didn't win, should be avoided.
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Ahem?
Take a bite of each and tell us if they taste the same, aka. provide the same feel. I doubt it.
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Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
The Fluke 87V scam is on again. This time, userid myths2692147
http://search.ebay.com/?sass=myths2692147&ht=-1 (http://search.ebay.com/?sass=myths2692147&ht=-1)
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Clearly they must be scamming eBay of the money in some way. Pay by PayPal and they will refund you. Normally eBay keep funds for a month for first time sellers. So NO idea how they do it.
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It's pretty suspect to only offer Free Economy shipping, and then state
"If you select a shipping method that doesn't include tracking or time estimates such as Economy Mail, it could take as long as one month for delivery."
Almost feels like a setup to keep you from following up too quickly... maybe just hoping you forget about it? Waiting a month doesn't give you much time before the 45 day limit kicks in.
jons28's experience with the "immediate" refund, is interesting - obviously the statement they had shipped it was just an outright lie.
But that begs the question... what's the point? What are they getting?
Also, I believe in a dispute PayPal will demand proof of dispatch - something I wouldn't want to send a $300 meter without.
But tramjoe has some valid points in there too...
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eBay auction: #280938830245
Is this another too good to be true item? The seller has good feedbacks (all private though). £240 isn't cheap but a REAL one is over £400 new... could that be a fake one? hm.... I am very paranoid with eBay auctions now. Although I did get an HP3468A for £40 recently (look and feel really new outside and inside) which I consider a good deal (from eBay ofc).
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eBay auction: #280938830245
Is this another too good to be true item? The seller has good feedbacks (all private though).
They are not all private. Sales from 2011 shows the seller has sold Fluke items (with prices) before. Search for Fluke in the past listings.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=juyamah&iid=280938830245&de=off&interval=0&items=200 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=juyamah&iid=280938830245&de=off&interval=0&items=200)
The seller looks legit to me, but it is your money and your decision. Just remember that most ebay sellers are not authorized dealers and you will not get the Fluke "lifetime warranty".
PS. I'm not a fan of those private listings. On ebay, I will pay a bit more for transparency.
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eBay auction: #280938830245
Is this another too good to be true item? The seller has good feedbacks (all private though). £240 isn't cheap but a REAL one is over £400 new... could that be a fake one? hm.... I am very paranoid with eBay auctions now. Although I did get an HP3468A for £40 recently (look and feel really new outside and inside) which I consider a good deal (from eBay ofc).
Seems priced right to me. Probably too high if anything.
US Amazon sells Fluke 87-V $330. Even the Canadian Amazon is only $345. Both with free shipping and a stellar return policy. Full US MRSP for the Fluke is only $400.
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eBay auction: #280938830245
Is this another too good to be true item? The seller has good feedbacks (all private though). £240 isn't cheap but a REAL one is over £400 new... could that be a fake one? hm.... I am very paranoid with eBay auctions now. Although I did get an HP3468A for £40 recently (look and feel really new outside and inside) which I consider a good deal (from eBay ofc).
Seems priced right to me. Probably too high if anything.
US Amazon sells Fluke 87-V $330. Even the Canadian Amazon is only $345. Both with free shipping and a stellar return policy. Full US MRSP for the Fluke is only $400.
Yes, but this is the UK. Take the price in dollars, change the sign, and you've basically got our price. Try £390 for a brand new 87V. That's $600 CAD.
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Isnt the 87V made in the US?
If so, then why would we expect them to show up in Asia at deep discount? Extech or the cheaper Flukes, perhaps (but doubtful enough).
An 87v? Makes no sense.
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I just won an auction from seller myths2692147 (before I got to read this post :'( ) I'm getting worried a bit about it but i'm also wondering from what is based retiredcaps statement that this user is scamming... Did you also received email from eBay/Paypal about this seller ? Because he hasn't received any feedback yet... Also, why wouldn't eBay closes myths account if they knew he was scamming... I mean, there are still 87V auction ON right now from this seller...
I knew from the start this auction was a bit risky, but if anyone has confirmation this is a scam, i won't wait a month before asking for my moneyback...
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http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=aluminiumstick&ftab=AllFeedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=aluminiumstick&ftab=AllFeedback)
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=pharmurlife&ftab=AllFeedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=pharmurlife&ftab=AllFeedback)
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I'm getting worried a bit about it but i'm also wondering from what is based retiredcaps statement that this user is scamming... Did you also received email from eBay/Paypal about this seller ?
I have received no official email from ebay regarding myths2692147, but the method of operation/pattern are similar to the 2 known scammers.
1) They list 87V as new and originate from Hong Kong.
2) They list 87Vs one after another in quick succession.
3) They all use the same shipping method with no tracking number.
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Because he hasn't received any feedback yet...
By the way, feedback can be manipulated. If the seller has a helper, the helper can leave bogus (i.e. really good) feedback on a low dollar item transaction so that the seller is 100% positive. They can hide the items being sold by using private so you have no idea what was bought.
As I mentioned above in an earlier post, "On ebay, I will pay a bit more for transparency."
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I know I said I wouldn’t get involved in the conversation again but I’m happy to just for RFguy’s benefit. I checked out the myths2692147 auction (there is still one that is going on by the way). RFguy first I hope you payed via PayPal as I have learnt it is much easier to get a refund that said a little history. I too won a Fluke 87V from Aluminiumstick (see earlier posts) Take it from me everything in my opinion points to the fact that Aluminiumstick, pharmurlife and myths2692147 are one and they same. Don’t ask me how the scam works but suffice to say it’s a scam. Please start now and reverse this transaction as quick as possible. This has the same hall marks, auction in GDP free shipping out of Hong Kong and no reserve set. I did get burnt but I got my money back very quickly because I went through PayPal. Put aside all of the debate and conversation and opinions! Take it from me as one who has experience IT IS A SCAM! Nothing will be sent and you wait in vain on the slim hope you snagged a great deal. Get a refund now. For anyone else reading this be warned now Fluke 87V coming out of Hong Kong with free Shipping and especially with no reserve and auction in GDP is a SCAM! Yes it’s too good to be true!
Tramjoe thanks for the Apology I appreciate it and in like I apologies too for the reaction. The reason for the post is the same as it has been from the start just trying to work out if it was a scam, now that I have confirmed it, trying to ensure that this SCAM doesn’t keep being perpetuated on people trying to get what they think is an honest bargain. I can only hope this helps. Thanks
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>:( After checking and filtering a search for the fluke 87 on eBay by free shipping and completed postings, myths2692147 has sold 7 Flukes 87V already with one more to go. I wish I could warn eBay about this. I hate to say it but it will only be a matter of time before we see negative feedback for myths2692147 and eBay pull the seller only to have him come back under another guise with a new name and another picture of the Fluke 87V
1. To this end does anyone know how we can inform eBay of the scam? And can I make a simple suggestion. As Dave’s Blog is very high up on the search engine lists if you see a new incarnation of this scam post the sellers name it will then at least be on the top of the search list with the heading BEWARE OF THE FLUKE 87V SCAMS ON EBAY! It may go some way to help inform new buyers. RFguy obviously found it and others will too.
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eBay auction: #280938830245
Is this another too good to be true item? The seller has good feedbacks (all private though). £240 isn't cheap but a REAL one is over £400 new... could that be a fake one? hm.... I am very paranoid with eBay auctions now. Although I did get an HP3468A for £40 recently (look and feel really new outside and inside) which I consider a good deal (from eBay ofc).
This particular seller is fine, I have bought two meters from him (a 175, and a 87v) and both were delivered very fast, with tracking etc, and well packed....No problems at all!
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Thanks for the heads-up guys. I just got in touch with eBay's customer help and they told me I can only start a dispute between 10-45 days of payment so i'll have to wait a bit (since it's only been 5 days). The guy at ebay tried being reassuring but I haven't decided what i'll do yet... He told me that disputes related to items shipped without tracking # often gets closed in favor of the buyer... Anyway, at least eBay knows about our concerns with this user. I'll keep you posted with any further developments about my experience for the sake of future buyers... (And yes, I paid through Paypal.)
My two cents about how the scam might works: If the sellers disappears without any traces after withdrawing its bank account , eBay/Paypal probably refund scammed buyers and then claim the seller's bank or its insurance to get a refund themselves...
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I bought some fluke test probes and leads from China and when they did not turn up after about 25 days I contacted the supplier and they sent out another set by Swiss post this time, ten days later two packages arrived one by Swiss post the other by China post, I had two sets of leads, they let me have the second pair gratis but on close inspection neither set is genuine, just good copies.
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The chance of getting a genuine item from china is "zilch" or i'll say likely 1%
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but on close inspection neither set is genuine, just good copies.
Pictures of the fakes?
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I've never actually seen ANY counterfeits of Fluke products. Just a lot of "lookalikes."
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Look at this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-87-V-True-RMS-Industrial-DMM-87V-Digital-Multimeter-with-Temperature-New-/110939203460?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19d47de784#shId (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-87-V-True-RMS-Industrial-DMM-87V-Digital-Multimeter-with-Temperature-New-/110939203460?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19d47de784#shId)
A never ending story...
I've never seen a faked Fluke 87V, too.
(Perhaps I don't know it because the fake was made very well...?)
A comparison/review/teardown would be very interesting for me.
Sad, that this never would be...
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I wonder if it's just about delaying any dispute beyond the 45 day PayPal dispute policy limit?
If I sell 10, surely one of those people I'll be able to convince to wait long enough so I can get the cash?
Seller takes 5 days to dispatch it ~ day 6
Seller says wait 31 days for the post ~ day 36
You wait a few more days, because you're trusting & post if flaky. You contact Seller. ~ day 39.
Seller replies and says wait a week, and you'll get a refund if it hasn't arrived ~ day 41
You wait a week ~ day 47. POW! 45 day PayPal Protection timeframe exceeded.
An awful lot of people don't know you should always raise a dispute before the 45 days passes...
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-87-V-True-RMS-Industrial-DMM-87V-Digital-Multimeter-with-Temperature-New-/110939203460?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19d47de784#shId (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-87-V-True-RMS-Industrial-DMM-87V-Digital-Multimeter-with-Temperature-New-/110939203460?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19d47de784#shId)
A never ending story...
Yeah, those photos are lifted from this guy's review of the 87V electrician's kit... http://www.victortrucco.com/Diversos/Fluke87V/Fluke87V.asp (http://www.victortrucco.com/Diversos/Fluke87V/Fluke87V.asp)
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Look at this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-87-V-True-RMS-Industrial-DMM-87V-Digital-Multimeter-with-Temperature-New-/110939203460?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19d47de784#shId (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-87-V-True-RMS-Industrial-DMM-87V-Digital-Multimeter-with-Temperature-New-/110939203460?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19d47de784#shId)
Same listing pattern as aluminumstick and pharmurlife. All the evidence points/infers that seller walkingluxury is another scam artist.
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It could be that they(the HK/China sellers) are selling the Vici 87 which is a Chinese knock-off of Fluke 87v but not mentioning it as such, but I believe by now it has been established that they are scammers.
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Well its been 38 days since I bought from myths2692147 and theres still nothing in the mail. I've officially opened a dispute on eBay... We'll see what the seller has to say ... Looks like some of you were right... I'll keep posting further developments.
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It's 12 days since I raised a claim with myths2692147.
I waited 7 days before escalating dispute to claim.
Still no response.
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Never received my meter nor got any answer to my messages from myths2692147. Paypal just closed the claim in my favor. I expect refund within next week... I'll definitely email eBay about my (our) story and emphasized that the "modus operandi" of the scammer(s) is well known...
Jons28: And can I make a simple suggestion. As Dave’s Blog is very high up on the search engine lists if you see a new incarnation of this scam post the sellers name it will then at least be on the top of the search list with the heading BEWARE OF THE FLUKE 87V SCAMS ON EBAY! It may go some way to help inform new buyers. RFguy obviously found it and others will too.
Since I'm still looking for an 87V on eBay, I'll post every seller with the same pattern I find in this post and encourage anyone else to do the same...
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Well, I'm not sure if someone who reads eevblog posted the first negative, but it is up now for myths2692147
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=myths2692147&ftab=AllFeedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=myths2692147&ftab=AllFeedback)