Rigol DS1102E $539.99 - cause of DS1052E can be upgraded to 100MHz

[dealexcel]

As is known to all, rigol ds1052e can be upgraded to 100MHz, so lots of people buy a ds1052e and use it as ds1102e, This result in rigol ds1102e cannot sell. Rigol's warehouse overstocking a huge number of ds1102e, they cutting the price unavoidably.

You may remember me as i have post a topic at EEVblog: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=467.0
Lots of friends had bought ds1052e from my store, now, i highly recommend DS1102E to you for it cost performance.

You can get Rigol DS1102E at here: http://www.dealexcel.com/rigol-ds1102e-ds-1102e-digital-color-oscilloscope-100mhz-dual-ch_p321.html

if you have any question, please post below

[Mechatrommer]

$100++ price different? i dont think its tempting enough people will still buy 50MHz ver and hack to 100MHz and save the money IMHO.

[Simon]

I think it's dealexel that's over stocked, not rigol 

[Nermash]

I don't think dealexcel even has significant warehousing capacity, it's probably just web.to.taobao model...

[Mechatrommer]

let me give my opinion to reduce overstock. send back 1102 back to factory to re-badge the sticker and downhack back to 1052, and sell.

[Simon]

easier than that, just sell them for $50 more than the 50MHz version or increase the price on the 50MHz version

[Mechatrommer]

or increase the price on the 50MHz version

if i havent buy the 1052, i'll ask you to delete that suggestion.

[Simon]

well essentially they are the same machine, the 1052 was sold slightly cheaper and the 1102 was sold for a bit more, if they just made the 1012 and sold it for the average price 

[Time]

I'd buy a DS1102E for $450 USD over a DS1052E for $400 and hacking it. 

[Simon]

yea me too, what with the risk of wreking it plus the certainty of loosing warranty it would be very reasonable

[dealexcel]

$100++ price different? i dont think its tempting enough people will still buy 50MHz ver and hack to 100MHz and save the money IMHO.

Hi shafri, you know the DS1102E is very different from DS1052E, even though you have hacked DS1052E to 100MHz, there are also some differents, such as "Equivalent Sample Rate", "Rise Time" etc.. Furthermore, my store also offer a coupon code worth $50, you just need to pay $539.99-$50=$489.99 for this original 100MHz/50MHz Dual Channel Oscilloscope.

[EEVblog]

Hi shafri, you know the DS1102E is very different from DS1052E, even though you have hacked DS1052E to 100MHz, there are also some differents, such as "Equivalent Sample Rate", "Rise Time" etc..

Not so. Those differences are enabled in hardware/software by the firmware hack. The hardware of the two machines are identical apart from the badge.

Dave.

[dealexcel]

I don't think dealexcel even has significant warehousing capacity, it's probably just web.to.taobao model...

Dear Nermash,
we have our warehouse indeed, if you do not trust me, i can give you a web address, you will see our warehouse realtime through a Internet wireless ip camera control panel.
ps: Sharing my Internet wireless WiFi IP camera at here: http://www.dealexcel.com/wpa-wireless-wifi-ip-internet-ptz-dual-audio-camera_p307.html

[dealexcel]

Hi shafri, you know the DS1102E is very different from DS1052E, even though you have hacked DS1052E to 100MHz, there are also some differents, such as "Equivalent Sample Rate", "Rise Time" etc..

Not so. Those differences are enabled in hardware/software by the firmware hack. The hardware of the two machines are identical apart from the badge.

Dave.

Hi Dave, do you have received my email? It is signature as Figo, i want to cooperate with you.

[Mechatrommer]

Not so. Those differences are enabled in hardware/software by the firmware hack. The hardware of the two machines are identical apart from the badge.

i'm not sure about eq. samp rate etc, but he got his point for sure. just look at the sticker (top of the lcd) and serial number, thats the difference i think. instead of 1052, we'll have a nice 1102 sticker and instead of DS1ED, u'll have DS1EB on the metalic sticker on top of Blackfin IIRC. and yea $50 for 100MHz rigol approved scope will be quite reasonable.

[dealexcel]

i just want to say, DS1102E is a tragical product of rigol.

[dealexcel]

not because of itself, but cause of DS1052E can be unscrambled.

[Time]

450! take it or leave it

[Simon]

i just want to say, DS1102E is a tragical product of rigol.

Not really, comercialy maybe but it is a great little value scope, it's just a pity they did the lower speced version and left it so easy tohack

[metalphreak]

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=467.75

I don't think safarir ever got any resolution to his problem did he?

[Mechatrommer]

I don't think safarir ever got any resolution to his problem did he?

poor safarir, i just remember that. he maybe have long gone leaved us in dismayed for not having any resolution. dealexcel! explain!

[.o:0|O|0:o.]

...i want to cooperate with you.

(Also, read: "I want you to cooperate with me")

Realistically, informed people are not likely to pay +$100 dollars for a scope with the same hardware as a cheaper one; even if they are incapable of changing the firmware! It seems you have three options:
1) return the scopes to Rigol and negotiate the best fee with them (if they care);
2) Just sell the scopes for the going rate (i.e. a DS1052E + $50);
3) Make up the loss by selling it together with some other equipment that people would be interested in.

(Consider also that currency conversions, import taxes and postage all add up as far as the consumer is concerned).


.o:0|O|0:o.

[saturation]

A fairly good price, IMHO.  $89 is like a 'labor' charge, with warranty etc., is still intact.  Will US or International locations honor the warranty for an item bought in PRC?

$100++ price different? i dont think its tempting enough people will still buy 50MHz ver and hack to 100MHz and save the money IMHO.

Hi shafri, you know the DS1102E is very different from DS1052E, even though you have hacked DS1052E to 100MHz, there are also some differents, such as "Equivalent Sample Rate", "Rise Time" etc.. Furthermore, my store also offer a coupon code worth $50, you just need to pay $539.99-$50=$489.99 for this original 100MHz/50MHz Dual Channel Oscilloscope.

[Mechatrommer]

poor shipping handling risk.

[dealexcel]

I don't think safarir ever got any resolution to his problem did he?

poor safarir, i just remember that. he maybe have long gone leaved us in dismayed for not having any resolution. dealexcel! explain!

Dear safari,
i'm sorry about your problem, perhaps our service have been not to your satisfaction, but we have been working hard, perhaps missed some of the problem ssinevitably. You can submit your question again, I think we have to do something to compensate for your losses or comfort your dissatisfaction.
You can submit a question here: http://www.dealexcel.com/faq.html
Thanks

[PeterG]

I placed an order with Dealexel.com, over a month later the item arrived. They are almost impossible to contact and there shipping is painfully show.

I would recommend to anyone, pay the extra couple of dollars and shop elsewhere.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Regards

[dealexcel]

I placed an order with Dealexel.com, over a month later the item arrived. They are almost impossible to contact and there shipping is painfully show.

I would recommend to anyone, pay the extra couple of dollars and shop elsewhere.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Regards

Your word makes me very sad...

[GeoffS]

I placed an order with Dealexel.com, over a month later the item arrived. They are almost impossible to contact and there shipping is painfully show.

I would recommend to anyone, pay the extra couple of dollars and shop elsewhere.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Regards

Your word makes me very sad...

Other than post a sad face, have you done anything to address the poster's issues?
IS there a problem with customers being able to contact you?
Are the delivery time experiences, as advertised on your website?

Forums like this are an excellent opportunity for sellers to get feedback about the real world experiences of their customers.
You could use this information to find out just where your organisation can improve its service.

While price is an important consideration with any purchase, confidence in the seller and the level of service they can provide is, in my opinion, just as important.

[PeterG]

I just logged into the dealexcel website. The status of my already delivered order is 'Processing'.

I think this speaks volumes about them as a company.

IMHO, dealexcel could learn a lot from how dealextreme operate.

Let me just say i just stating my own experience with dealexcel.

Regards

[Psi]

It's possible that the DS1102E is calibrated to 100mhz where as the DS1052E is only calibrated to 50mhz.
Or it maybe that they pick the units that come out of calibration the best and make them the 100Mhz DS1102E's and the rest DS1052E's

So that maybe a valid difference between them.
If you hack a DS1052E to DS1102E it may/may-not be quite as accurate as a real DS1102E

Though thats just a guess of course, would need to test a few of each to prove/disprove it.

Even if it's true, the real world difference maybe so small it's not really worth worrying about.

[saturation]

I thought so myself, but if you read the Rigol hack threads, some folks did basic bandwidth tests plus I asked to do other functional tests like checking the FFT segment, the measurement area etc., and there's nothing to suggest its any different; I think there is a thread where the actual bandwidth of the hacked unit is slightly better than the native 100MHz version.

Hacking the 1052E will void the warranty however, you have to check if buying it outside your country still means you have a valid warranty in your country if you ask for it.

It's possible that the DS1102E is calibrated to 100mhz where as the DS1052E is only calibrated to 50mhz.
Or it maybe that they pick the units that come out of calibration the best and make them the 100Mhz DS1102E's and the rest DS1052E's

So that maybe a valid difference between them.
If you hack a DS1052E to DS1102E it may/may-not be quite as accurate as a real DS1102E

Though thats just a guess of course, would need to test a few of each to prove/disprove it.

Even if it's true, the real world difference maybe so small it's not really worth worrying about.

[saturation]

IMHO:

I'm not sure this is the case.  If its true a 1102E is just a firmware change to the 1052E, plus added stickers on the casing, a new box etc., the cost to Rigol is mostly cosmetic and a few minutes for a tech to patch the firmware; not as large as having a new mobo and software, its just a key, like other high end scope conversions.

Because of the hack, I wouldn't be surprised if sales of the 1052E have improved, including cutting sales of the 1102E.  But because overall sales are up, I would expect they are making more money on the hack story that without it.  

As for the excess inventory of 1102E?  They can take it back to factory and mod it back to a 1052E, change the case stickers and box, and sell it again as an 1052E, technically it was never sold so its not a 'refurbished' item.

Also, see my post here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=1571.msg21188#msg21188

i just want to say, DS1102E is a tragical product of rigol.

[tinhead]

if you have any question, please post below

yeah, i have something for you.  Any chance for you to get Tekway or Hantek DSOs ? I'm talking about these:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=1571.0
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=1571.msg24564#msg24564