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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #100 on: May 08, 2019, 08:52:05 pm »
The machine is here!
Congratulations with your new machine!  :-+
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #101 on: May 08, 2019, 09:34:49 pm »
Congratulations, please keep us posted.  :-+

Considering a SmallSMT as well, your experience is very valuable.
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #102 on: May 08, 2019, 10:48:17 pm »
Thank you all.

some pics of the packaging...

 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #103 on: May 08, 2019, 10:49:02 pm »
more pics
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #104 on: May 08, 2019, 10:49:40 pm »
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #105 on: May 08, 2019, 11:03:06 pm »
Looks like a tidy, well laid out machine within those hidden nether regions.
I see there are four brackets, two on each side of the machine east west sides.
Are they used to lock the machine down to the base of the transport box  and/ or to the machine table?

 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #106 on: May 08, 2019, 11:34:05 pm »
Looks like a tidy, well laid out machine within those hidden nether regions.
I see there are four brackets, two on each side of the machine east west sides.
Are they used to lock the machine down to the base of the transport box  and/ or to the machine table?

yes to both.
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #107 on: May 08, 2019, 11:56:08 pm »
The machine was well packed and in perfect condition. All accessories were individually wrapped. Paint is in good condition. The machine structure is very solid.

The machine is very heavy and would take 3 guys to lift it.
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2019, 12:10:17 am »

I was not asked to pay any tariff at this time, but maybe the IRS or Customs will send me a bill. I don't know.

More to come...

If you look in this thread, (below)  Small SMT claimed they had found a way to 'avoid the 25% tarrif'.   One can only assume that they actually knew that the tarrif applies.   Using a code for 'vacum sweepers' is an interesting way to avoid it..  As fedex points out its not a good nor clever way, and i guess you are lucky that they picked it up rather than US customs.      The code that you've reclassified it, is subject to the tarrif.


https://www.eevblog.com/forum/manufacture/smallsmt-vision-placer-pick-place-machines/msg1880435/#msg1880435

The image was snap shotted of their web page last year.   

I hope this doe'snt come to byte you more than just the tarrrifs. 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2019, 12:18:23 am »
Now the fun really starts!
I will continue to give my impressions of the machine components and build quality, operation, support, and software usability.

 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #110 on: May 09, 2019, 12:29:55 am »
the only things that matter to me now is the performance of the machine and the factory support!
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #111 on: May 09, 2019, 12:41:19 am »
the only things that matter to me now is the performance of the machine and the factory support!

Well, hopefully it doe'snt do what its decription "carpet sweeper" suggests :-)

Looknig forward to seeing how it goes for you.
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #112 on: May 09, 2019, 03:30:04 am »
Hey Revenue, what are you using for reflow and paste?
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #113 on: May 09, 2019, 04:27:43 am »
Really interested to see US customs don't use harmonized HS codes?

http://www.datamyne.com/hts/84/8479899200

HTS Code: 8479.89.9200
Automated Electronic Component Placement Machines Of A Kind Used Solely Or Principally For The Manufacture Of Printed Circuit Assemblies

But it's always in the same manner of some person writing stupid things thank you.
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #114 on: May 09, 2019, 04:40:16 am »
Really interested to see US customs don't use harmonized HS codes?

http://www.datamyne.com/hts/84/8479899200

HTS Code: 8479.89.9200
Automated Electronic Component Placement Machines Of A Kind Used Solely Or Principally For The Manufacture Of Printed Circuit Assemblies

But it's always in the same manner of some person writing stupid things thank you.


Revenue Controls says that the documentatation from SmallSMT listed it as "8479897000"..  Not 8479.89.9200       Really interested to know how you use a carpet sweeper for doing pnp.  Wonder why that happend.


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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #115 on: May 09, 2019, 04:53:40 am »
Really interested to see US customs don't use harmonized HS codes?

http://www.datamyne.com/hts/84/8479899200

HTS Code: 8479.89.9200
Automated Electronic Component Placement Machines Of A Kind Used Solely Or Principally For The Manufacture Of Printed Circuit Assemblies

But it's always in the same manner of some person writing stupid things thank you.


Revenue Controls says that the documentatation from SmallSMT listed it as "8479897000"..  Not 8479.89.9200       Really interested to know how you use a carpet sweeper for doing pnp.  Wonder why that happend.

I think even if you try to check this code it's fitting too

8479 8970 00
Automated electronic component placement machines of a kind used solely or principally for the manufacture of printed circuit assemblies
https://www.taricsupport.com/nomenclatuur/8479897000.html
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #116 on: May 09, 2019, 05:48:04 am »
you can't use that code. Its not how harmonised codes work. Look up, and you'll see the parent classification, " for things not covered elsehwere".. Theres a classification for pnp. ( which revenue_controls has now had to use ).    Its subject to the 25% tarrifs.

At least for me, i'd never try to avoid paying tarrifs or trying to help my cusotmers avoid them..   The good thing is that you'll know for next time. :-)    Maybe you shoud make the machiens in Germany, then they wouldtn be subject to the tarrif
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #117 on: May 09, 2019, 06:44:52 am »
Right now it seems everybody is in loud agreement.
Neither MrPackethead nor aptly named revenue_control would stoop to not paying taxes and smallsmt and MrPackethead both claim a position in the code listing whihch seem to address the same issue... machines used in pcb assembly process.
If two line items cover the same material.... why?
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #118 on: May 09, 2019, 08:18:26 am »
Right now it seems everybody is in loud agreement.
Neither MrPackethead nor aptly named revenue_control would stoop to not paying taxes and smallsmt and MrPackethead both claim a position in the code listing whihch seem to address the same issue... machines used in pcb assembly process.
If two line items cover the same material.... why?

If you search the UK/EU tariff databases the 9200 code doesn't seem to exist and smallsmt's code is correct, there doesn't seem to be a dedicated code for "carpet sweepers" either (presumably vacuum cleaner is close enough). However only the first 6 digits are harmonised / valid worldwide and they match, so clearly more care is needed for orders outside the EU
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #119 on: May 09, 2019, 08:29:31 am »
Right now it seems everybody is in loud agreement.
Neither MrPackethead nor aptly named revenue_control would stoop to not paying taxes and smallsmt and MrPackethead both claim a position in the code listing whihch seem to address the same issue... machines used in pcb assembly process.
If two line items cover the same material.... why?

Not at all in agreement.   Using the code 8479.x.x in the us, is only to be used for items that are not listed elsehwere.  You have to start at the top of the codes and work through the sections.      Its very clear.   There is a code for PNP machines elsewhere.  Its odd that under 8479. there are codes for placemnet machines..      ( which are not subject to tarrifs )..       AS Fedex pointed out, ( quite correctly ) the 8479 code is wrong, and you can't use it. 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #120 on: May 09, 2019, 08:37:31 am »
both these codes are under 8479.... Presumably placement machines appear twice in the US list because they started with an older/3rd party list and then extended it by adding a lot of extra codes and then whoever audited that work missed the duplication.
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #121 on: May 09, 2019, 10:41:57 am »
Ommm Om padmi padmi oooommmmmm
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #122 on: May 09, 2019, 10:50:40 am »
Ommm Om padmi padmi oooommmmmm

What does this mean?
 

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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #123 on: May 09, 2019, 11:19:53 am »
Hey Revenue, what are you using for reflow and paste?

T-962a, If Michael is nice to me I may buy a smallsmt oven.
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Re: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting
« Reply #124 on: May 09, 2019, 12:41:20 pm »
It ought to read om mani pedme om a budhist prayer

"... Thus the six syllables, om mani padme hum, mean that in dependence on the practice of a path which is an indivisible union of method and wisdom, you can transform your impure body, speech, and mind into the pure exalted body, speech, and mind of a Buddha[...]"

In reference to the confusio n/resolution residual terseness over the code

A bit of levity
 


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