Author Topic: SmallSMT PNP adventure, learning and documenting (Read 35793 times)

revenue_controls · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:56:52 pm »

pictures...

revenue_controls · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:57:55 pm »

pictures...

revenue_controls · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:58:54 pm »

revenue_controls · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:59:35 pm »

revenue_controls · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2019, 09:01:12 pm »

IconicPCB · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:38:02 am »

Seems like Mr Packethead is looking to place an order. Ibet he is waiting for the forthcoming exhibition to purchase the show machine at a decent discount.

revenue_controls · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2019, 11:16:32 am »

Michael, send my commission check to my same shipping address!

Kjelt · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2019, 12:22:00 pm »

Looks good

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The nut rail inserts were also of high quality and have a spring loaded ball bearing on them which keeps them in position during assembly!

Those cost € 0.18 vs €0,12 without the ball, but they work nice , used them also on my CNC build

https://www.smt-montagetechnik.de/produkte/44.htm

mrpackethead · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2019, 07:32:33 pm »

Quote from: revenue_controls on April 21, 2019, 11:16:32 am

Michael, send my commission check to my same shipping address!

You'll probably need to ask Sunny for that.

Smallsmt · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2019, 07:42:50 pm »

Good news you assembled the kit well.
It's a big puzzle.

revenue_controls · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2019, 08:51:22 pm »

Thanks, it was fun.
I Added platform to the bottom.

Is one needed on the top for the machine?
Or does it mount directly to the top rails?

mrpackethead · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2019, 10:47:40 pm »

When is the PNP machine arriving?

revenue_controls · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2019, 11:15:51 pm »

Sunny confirmed the CL feeders order quantities this morning, so I hope they will ship it soon. However I hope they are not rushing it out because of my posts. I would not want them to jeopardize the build quality.

IconicPCB · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2019, 01:24:40 am »

Looking at the images i guess the platform on the side of the frame is support for reels on the push feeder side.

Seems like You have a variety of push feeder widths in Your machine setup.

How did You decide on the mix of feeder widths?

revenue_controls · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2019, 02:11:09 am »

The spacing of the push feeder reel separators in the pictures is completely random at this point. However, to determine the feeder widths, you need to know what size (height mostly) parts the machine is capable of dispensing, how many slots the machine has, how many feeders the machine has and of each type, the availability of packaging for each part in your BOM, and your BOM.

revenue_controls · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2019, 02:18:25 am »

There is a lot of trading off, and different ways to get it configured. I think (hope) what I ordered will be close to what I need. It will depend a lot on the machines actual performance. I may end up getting different feeders to dial in the best feeder configuration for my BOM.

Smallsmt · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2019, 12:22:01 pm »

Quote from: revenue_controls on April 21, 2019, 08:51:22 pm

Thanks, it was fun.
I Added platform to the bottom.

Is one needed on the top for the machine?
Or does it mount directly to the top rails?

There is no plate needed on top of table the machine screws on the rails.

Smallsmt · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2019, 12:26:45 pm »

Quote from: mrpackethead on April 22, 2019, 10:47:40 pm

When is the PNP machine arriving?

I think within the next 7 days it need one week shipping time.

SWR · « **Reply #43 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:21:02 pm »

My VP-2500DP WNE just arrived today, so now it's time for unboxing and final assembly.
The box was very solid and there doesn't seem to be any transportation damage by the first inspection.

It's got 79 reels, 18 strips, 7 sticks, 68 alu tray squares and 300x300mm area that is shared between PCB and plastic component trays. I'm looking forward to trying it out and reading about your experiences with the VP machines.

revenue_controls · « **Reply #44 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:59:45 pm »

I'm looking forward to it as well. I think they just shipped my machine. How long did you wait for your machine?

SWR · « **Reply #45 on:** April 25, 2019, 07:55:35 am »

About 10 days shipping.

This is my fist P&P so I have a rather long list of tasks ahead of me before I'm ready to roll with it:
-Assembling the optional extras (two extra feeder drivers, vibration feeder, strip feeder, large tray and dispenser)
-Installing moisture trap
-Connecting air compressor
-Wall mounting above table to allow room for reels and reduce table shake
-Design and 3D print individual reel holders
The 3 trays included with the machine with 28 7" reel slots have the following issues:
-Takes up more room (height) if you want to change reels individually
-Have higher drag resistance than reels rotating on a center hub (not sure if this is a problem?)
-Installing software
-Interfacing to DesignSpark PCB
-Structuring P&P friendly component library
-Building P&P friendly component library
-Finishing schematic & layout
-Ordering components
-Ordering PCB with stencil
-Test run with double side tape

Smallsmt · « **Reply #46 on:** April 25, 2019, 06:42:01 pm »

Steve,

the reason was part shortage first and we are sorry for the delay.

Our production time is normally 5 to 6 weeeks.
Thew DP machine is simpler to produce need 4 weeks only.

Your machine has free dispenser unit installed I hope this could be nice for you.

Best regards
Michael

SWR · « **Reply #47 on:** April 25, 2019, 07:06:01 pm »

Quote from: revenue_controls on April 25, 2019, 09:43:59 am

WTF, I have been waiting 9 weeks. Are you saying 10 days of actual shipping time or total of 10 days from ordering the machine?

It was 10 days of actual shipping excluding the time to build the machine.

mrpackethead · « **Reply #48 on:** April 25, 2019, 07:50:49 pm »

Quote from: Smallsmt on April 25, 2019, 06:42:01 pm

Your machine has free dispenser unit installed I hope this could be nice for you.

Social media / forums are powerful motivaters.

mrpackethead · « **Reply #49 on:** April 26, 2019, 08:49:09 am »

Quote from: revenue_controls on April 18, 2019, 10:58:53 am

They wanted 50% with the order and 50% before shipping. I went to my bank and wired the
full payment (to avoid the additional bank fees). It takes a lot of faith and courage to wire $15K to a company in China! Not only that they wanted the payment to be deposited in some unknown Chinese guys account (the real owner???). They acknowledged the payment on Feb 21, 2019 and told me the machine went into production an it would ship in 6 weeks...

Alibaba provides a great service with its trade assurance. Its only a few percent of cost and provides a good level of assurance. The vendor knows they will get paid, and the buyer knows that if the vendor doe'st deliver that they won't be stung. It also means you dont' need to worry about all the hassles of checking out who the company is, as alibaba does all that. I have used this many times with a lot of companies, and it just makes it work.


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