Hello,
I was wondering if anyone has had experience buying goods sold in the EU from the UK. My issue is with VAT on goods. I realise this falls under accounting, but it is also connected to electronics trading and I know there will be a smaller percentage of people who have some experience with this.
The first part concerns businesses and the final question might interest private individuals buying equipment or bulk materials and components from other EU countries.
This is what I know:
1) Each EU member is free to set it's own VAT rate provided it is not below 15% (some goods and services are reduced or exempt -- not applicable in this case).
2) VAT ensures that the government receive a percentage for each sale by passing the bill down to the end buyer through the supply chain (it removes the incentive for the widescale evasion, smuggling and fraud that would take place otherwise) ...Apparently Wilhelm von Siemens came up with the idea.
3) In the UK VAT is set to 17.5% and will rise to 20% from January 4th 2011 and in Ireland (where the goods are being sold) VAT is 21%
4) If I were to acquire, as a business, a taxable product from an Irish seller, the seller would pass their 21% VAT rate down to me (complying with Ireland's rules) and I would then claim it back as a VAT Registered natural person or entity. I would in turn pass on the to my immediate customers and pay the Irish government the difference. BUT, I cannot do this as I am not in selling in Ireland...
5) Once the goods leave Ireland, the Irish government get 21% from the purchase and the item is finalised as having left that country. The Irish seller is happy and the government is happy. Case closed and a round of Guinness, for them!
Now here comes the subtle part which is illuding me or I am not entirely sure about...
A) Once the item reaches HM Customs in the UK, am I expected to pay upon collection the local 17.5% VAT on the value after conversion from EUR into GBP, as though it had been sold and purchased in the UK (with the possibility of claiming it back)? It appears so.
B) If so, is it not the case that I end up passing down the 17.5% VAT to my British customer along with something hidden in the price to account for the Irish VAT that I am now stuck with?
C) Or, being in the EU, is there some agreement between states that ensures I am not "stuck with" two VATs (in order to encourage the free market)? (......How would they work out who gets what?)
For private buyers:
D) Ok, now a question as a private individual in the UK who wants to buy a product from the EU, say Ireland still. If I buy a piece of equipment for personal use, I am required to account for the VAT as the end consumer so that over there they can happily close their books... However, when the piece of equipment reaches the UK, HM Customs immediately want 17.5% of the value after conversion from EUR as though it just been bought in the UK. Does UK customs consider that I have already paid Irish VAT (rated higher) and waive the UK VAT? Or do I have to satisfy both the Irish government and the British government by paying (21+17.5)% VAT ?
Hope this is not too boring
Thanks in advance,
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