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WTB: Drifty A3 (ADC) board from 3458A
« on: June 13, 2021, 10:24:50 pm »
I'm looking for an A3 ADC board from a 3458A that has excessive drift - I don't care how bad the drift is but I'd prefer one that is not generating any kind of fault.
This is for testing a "cure" to the problem.

Shipping to US or Canada.
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Re: WTB: Drifty A3 (ADC) board from 3458A
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2021, 10:04:16 am »
You do know it can cost up to 1k$$ for a good one ??  EDIT   for a drifty one    ???  no idea  sorry


Related threads about the A3  board

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/hp-3458a-ad-board-spare-part-availibilty-and-cost/
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Re: WTB: Drifty A3 (ADC) board from 3458A
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2021, 05:04:56 pm »
Yep, I need a bad board to further test a possible fix for the drift.
You can no longer purchase new or refurb A3 boards from Keysight.
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Re: WTB: Drifty A3 (ADC) board from 3458A
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2021, 05:25:37 pm »
TiN did quite some tests and tries to fix it with his 1st bad ADC board. The conclusion was that the resistors in the ASCIC somehow started to dirft a bit. Not all resistors are acessible externally and replacing the ASIC completely can be tricky - there are switches with a difined ratio in the switch resistance. It is a bit more complicated than just multiple equal resistance switches. More like having 1:4:5:16 ratio in the switch resistance.
 

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Re: WTB: Drifty A3 (ADC) board from 3458A
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2021, 07:46:07 pm »
TiN did quite some tests and tries to fix it with his 1st bad ADC board. The conclusion was that the resistors in the ASCIC somehow started to dirft a bit. Not all resistors are acessible externally and replacing the ASIC completely can be tricky - there are switches with a difined ratio in the switch resistance. It is a bit more complicated than just multiple equal resistance switches. More like having 1:4:5:16 ratio in the switch resistance.

Yep, they are a bit of mystery. I have an A3 that was drifting at 0.4 to 0.8 ppm/day. After a bit of a "fix" it is now ~ 0.02 ppm/day. Could be a total fluke, maybe it won't last. I just want another board to try the process on.
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Re: WTB: Drifty A3 (ADC) board from 3458A
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2022, 07:51:24 am »
TiN did quite some tests and tries to fix it with his 1st bad ADC board. The conclusion was that the resistors in the ASCIC somehow started to dirft a bit. Not all resistors are acessible externally and replacing the ASIC completely can be tricky - there are switches with a difined ratio in the switch resistance. It is a bit more complicated than just multiple equal resistance switches. More like having 1:4:5:16 ratio in the switch resistance.

Yep, they are a bit of mystery. I have an A3 that was drifting at 0.4 to 0.8 ppm/day. After a bit of a "fix" it is now ~ 0.02 ppm/day. Could be a total fluke, maybe it won't last. I just want another board to try the process on.
I have a 3458A that is drifting quite badly:  averaging 2ppm per day, totalling 16ppm drift over 8 days running from a cold start. The indications are that the drift rate is even accelerating as time goes on.

Would you be prepared to publish your fix? I don't have a spare board so I can't ship the faulty one to you.

I might be interested to try your fix if I fail to get any compensation from the the vendor who described the 3458A as being in good condition in the auction listing.
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Re: WTB: Drifty A3 (ADC) board from 3458A
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2022, 04:23:24 pm »
Posting the details is on my "to-do" list. I was really hoping to see similar results with a second board before hand.
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